Talk:Lake Maggiore

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Move?[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was not done.  Skomorokh, barbarian  10:55, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Lake Maggiore → Lago Maggiore — Mish-mash between Englisch and Italian does not seem appropriate. — Matthiasb (talk) 23:14, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • This is the ENGLISH Wikipedia, not Italian. So the current name seems correct. "Lago Maggiore" is not an appropriate name on the English Wikipedia. TJ Spyke 03:36, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Lago Maggiore is used in English - it's a perfectly appropriate name to consider. This is a classic misunderstanding of WP:UE Knepflerle (talk) 08:56, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Why don't you suggest an English name instead of an Italian name? 76.66.197.30 (talk) 12:35, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment There are only two plausible names when writing in English: one is ‘Lago Maggiore’ and the other is ‘Lake Maggiore’. Both are used widely. Inventing a purely English name like ‘Lake Major’ would be really stupid would it not? Ian Spackman (talk) 12:49, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Also, many locations in English speaking countries use foreign words in location names (for example, many Texas and California cities/towns have Spanish names). Even in other countries, we have Trúc Bạch Lake instead of "Hồ Trúc Bạch" (which is the name in Vietnamese). TJ Spyke 16:34, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Well if "Lake Maggiore" is frequently used in English, it certainly seems more English than "Lago Maggiore". Ofcourse some English names are of the form "Lake Lake" because one of the "lakes" is a foreign word, not recognized in English, but if translated, results in a rather weird name. 76.66.197.30 (talk) 03:57, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • "Seeming more English" by partial translation is not what WP:UE states or encourages. Following actual usage is what it recommends. Knepflerle (talk) 08:56, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is the single most common misreading of WP:UE - the presence of Lago does not preclude this from being an English name for the lake. The common English name for the highest mountain in Western Europe is Mont Blanc - not any other translated or partially-translated name. It is not "inappropriate" because it contains the word Mont, and an invented partially-translated term would not be "more English" than the term English-speakers actually use. So here we have two reasonable (per WP:UE) candidate names used in English-language texts - we need to do some work to choose between them. Which is more commonly used? Well for starters I'll offer Encarta and Britannica which use Lake, and Columbia which uses Lago. The New York Times using Lake, the Times uses both [4], [5]. There's a slight preference for Lake there - anything more definitive? Knepflerle (talk) 08:56, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose per WP:UE but agree with User:Knepflerle's point above. If the lake were some minor pond along that is rarely or never referenced as "Lake XXX" in English (along the lines of Lago di Sartirana or Lago Morto), then "Lago" is fine. On the other hand, major lakes usually referred to as such in English (like Lake Como) should retain "Lake". Lake Maggiore is often referred to as such and should retain that as the title. — AjaxSmack 01:01, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Wrong units[edit]

According to the current version, "The lake has a surface area of about 213 cubic kilometres". Surfaces would be measured by square kilometers, not by cubic kilometers. 87.161.146.197 (talk) 10:20, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

 Fixed I've changed the units to square kilometres. Thanks for pointing this out. -- 15:48, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

How long?[edit]

Currently, according to the summary, it "extends for about 70 kilometres (43 miles) between Locarno and Arona". In the Geography section "Lake Maggiore is 64.37 kilometers / 34¾ nautical miles long" at the beginning, but a few lines below the text refers to "a maximum length of 54 km".

I measured the lake with the google-earth ruler, and the distance from the northermost point near Minusio and the southermost point near Dormelletto is 54.3 km. Of course if one was to sail between these two points the length would be far longer, due to the forced zig-zag due to the sinuous form of this lake.

So, it's a matter of deciding what one means by length. Is there an accepted standard definition? Nicola.Manini (talk) 11:25, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if there a standard definition but I think both are correct and should be indicated on the page. I also found 54 km for the maximal length and about 65 km remaining within the lake (you can measure it easily if you follow the regional border in the middle of the lake). I indicated on the page that 54 km refers to a straight line to make sure everybody understands. ZachG (Talk) 12:25, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
OK, today Lake Maggiore has at least 3 lengths: 65 km in the summary, 64.37 km at the beginning of the geography section, and 54 km as the "straight-line" a few lines below. Overall, the situation has improved slightly, because at least the 70 km mark of last Sept. has disappeared. But I'm sure that as long as one agrees on measuring distances following zig-zaging paths, arbitrarily long results can turn up... Nicola.Manini (talk) 02:33, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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