Talk:Languages of Australia

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Pidgins and creoles[edit]

I would be interested in others' opinions on whether the modified English spoken by post-WWII European migrants constitutes a creole.

My parents came from [then] Yugoslavia and lived in a market gardening community where most interactions were with other Serbo-Croatian speakers. That community's uptake of English was therefore quite slow, until radio and tv and kids who were effectively bilingual made an impact. Talking to folks from other backgrounds - mainly Italians but also Greeks and more recent Middle Eastern migrants - there seems to be a fairly similar mix of scrappy English, particular pronunciation and grammar, and lots of hand gestures. Although I think it was barely intelligible at times to Anglo-Australians [who seemed to have trouble with anything other than standard English] it was reasonably intelligible between migrants from different countries. Now my parents have been here for more than 50 years and can carry on a reasonable conversation but still have the same grammar, so its got more English words but is otherwise still not English.

I have hear this referred to as 'Woglish' and it has been affectionately parodied by the Wogs out of World folk, and [much less funny to me] Mark Mitchell as Con the Fruiterer. Although its disappearing [I think as the local more recent Middle Eastern, Asian and African migrants seem to be working a different sort of way] it is a strong part of my upbringing and many other people's memories.

I look forward to hearing what other folk think [[[Special:Contributions/|]] (talk) 09:26, 4 December 2008 (UTC)]

A distinction needs to be made between a creole, and poorly spoken English, which appears to be the case here. Creoles have grammar structures and are amalgamations of two existing languages, and thus can be codified as languages in their own right. With English as a second language English, it has more to do with a misunderstanding and misuse of English, rather than a deliberate attempt to forumlate a new language. The fact that some of these traits are passed on to second generation family members does not indicate a creole, as it is evident that poor English skills are passed down generations regardless of the mother tongue of the parents.

No more so than am I inventing an English-Spanish creole every time I go on holiday, are these people creating new languages. The Red Threat (talk) 16:31, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Comment moved from article[edit]

This edit was improperly made to the article. However, it may be worth referring to the link provided by the editor in case his or her challenge is valid. (I haven't checked it yet so I'm not sure)That link is here. --AussieLegend (talk) 18:19, 10 January 2009 (UTC) HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:50, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Official language of Australia[edit]

I have reverted changes from July 2013 that changed the beginning of the article to indicate that English was the official language of Australia. The reference provided was a national fact sheet on Australia provided by the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, which listed "English" in the "Official Language" field. I would be surprised if this document establishes an official language at law, and would be reluctant to allow this to completely change the polarity of the opening statement of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bilious (talkcontribs) 12:56, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Graphs on this page[edit]

Are there any wikipedia guidelines that a graph has to actually have a key? a written description about what colour = what ethnic group on the map would not be very helpful to the color blind — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:08, 28 August 2014 (UTC)