Talk:Lawrence Oates

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'Explorer' tag[edit]

Can we really class Oates as an explorer? The route that Scotts party took to the pole was different to Amundsens, so I guess technically they were treading untrodden land. However, Oates had no prior experience of ANY kind of expedition to discover new lands. Oates was a cavalry officer (And a fine one at that) who was taken for his funding and his expertise with horses, but an explorer? A little far-fetched I think.

I've kept the 'Explorer' description but for the vast majority of this mans adult life, he was a cavalry officer, and should be referred to as such, so I've added the fact in the opening paragraph, after his name.

Gareththejack (talk) 06:15, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Last words[edit]

This part of the article needed clearing up. I'm quite surprised that his last words were included in here as fact when they are anything but. I have added a whole new section for this and mentioned the fact that his last words are only alleged by Scott, in his diary.

They were not mentioned at all by Wilson in his diary, or in Wilson's letters to Oates' mother which Oates asked him to write, and are as such unverifiable. One would think that a sons last words would be among the first things a Mother would want to hear of, after learning of his passing. Especially given the gravitas of them in such a situation. Profound, to say the least. Given the fact that Wilson, unlike Scott, had no agenda (Who was pre-disposed to dramatising failure and over-emphasising self-sacrifice) he is a far more reliable source.

Whilst nobody will ever know what was said and what wasn't said on the fateful morning, his last words are still in dispute. I've cited an early work that first shed light on this (Huntfords 'The Last Place On Earth'), there have been many indications of it since if someone has the time to source them too. For now though, I feel it should be enough.

Gareththejack (talk) 15:51, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Only Captain Scott mentions Oates' last words. But only two people wrote about Oates' death, Scott and Wilson. The fact that Wilson did not mention his last words does not mean that Scott was wrong. Obviously Oates did say something. I do not agree that Scott's record of Oates' words is either unverified or contested. (talk) 20:10, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Of course it's contested, by virtue of the fact that Wilson does not mention them at all. If Wilson had known that Scott was to fabricate someones last words then he could have contested them, but only Scott was privy to his diary. Do you not think the last words of a son would be re-iterated to his Mother by his loyal expedition companion who was entrusted to write of his demise? Or at the very least recorded in that persons (Wilson's) diary? The way Scott tells it suggests that it was a momentous moment. At the very least Wilson would have relayed this to Oates' Mother.
Scott's record of Oates *supposed* last words is verified, in his diary, but this does not mean to say that they happened.
--Gareththejack (talk) 13:05, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

some omitted facts[edit]

It's not true that the only account of Oates's death comes from Scott. Wilson also kept a diary. It does not mention the famous quote, "I am just going outside and may be some time".

Oates's body was never found, but his sleeping bag and theolodite was. This location was the basis of the monument to him.

Let Me See If I've Got This Straight[edit]

The only evidence for Oates' affair with an eleven year old girl is a family tradition without corroborating evidence? Am I the only one to see that as problematic?????

Please always sign your posts on talk pages, by adding 4 tildes (~) at the end. This identifies the user (IP address if unregistered), the date, and the time. Otherwise, all we have is is disembodied and anonymous words that might have been there since 2003 for all anyone knows. Thanks. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 09:43, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Actually, we have the history, which shows the above comment was made over three edits:
sroc (talk) 05:48, 7 July 2013 (UTC)