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Add e13e7 as possible 'leet' variation[edit]

I motion that my username 'e13e7' is also a great example for a variation of 'leet' (given in the top-level summary), and distinctly adds value by suggesting that all instances of a single character do not have to be converted, even if adjacent. E13e7 (talk) 03:23, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Elite Typeface[edit]

I think it's just fortuitous happenstance that "Elite" was also the very common smaller typface used on typewriters and early printers. Nice resurfacing of the homonym. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:07, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


This page has a bunch of suffixes. I feel that the -sauce suffix is definitely associated with 1337. Is anyone with me on this? (talk) 07:26, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 7 November 2012[edit]

In the Orthography section, second paragraph.

"B1FF" links to this page:

When it is in fact referring to this use of the term: BitCrafty (talk) 10:37, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Done Minor and uncontroversial. —KuyaBriBriTalk 19:30, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 November 2012[edit]

Are the first two notes necessary really? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:42, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Kingston goes leet.[edit]

Kingston recently announced a 1 terabyte flash drive with an MSRP of $1337 USD. Perhaps someone at the company thinks they're being "with it" or even "hip".Bizzybody (talk) 09:29, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 January 2013[edit]


A = @ or |\ or 4 or ^ or /-\ B = |3 or ]3 or 8 or ß C = ( or © D = |) or ]) or Ð E = 3 or £ F = # or |= G = 9 H = |-| I = 1 or ! or ][ or ¡ J = _| K = |< or |{ L = |_ or | or 1 M = |\/| or /\/\ or ^^ N = |\| or /\/ O = () or 0 or ° or ¤ or • P = |D or þ or Þ Q = & or ¶ (dunno really about Q, anyone?) R = |2 or ® S = $ or 5 or § T = + or 7 U = |_| V = \/ W = |/\| or \/\/ or |/\/ or \/\| X = >< or × or }{ Y = ¥ or ý Z = 2

from url : (talk) 17:59, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. —KuyaBriBriTalk 21:57, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Add the 1337 alphabet Here are the 26 1337 secrets. A = 4 B = |3 C = ( D = |) E = 3 F = |= G = 6 H = |-| I = | J = 9 K = |< L = 1 M = |v| N = |/| (It is backwards because the frontslash under the backspace key is famous for not showing up on many websites.) O = 0 (zero) P = |* Q = 0, R = |2 S = 5 T = 7 U = |_| V = |/ W = |/|/ X = >< (Is normal in words like |-|4x0|2) Y = `/ Z = 2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:24, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 February 2013[edit]

It is wrong where is says that Koreans say "kekeke". Please change it to "kuhkuhkuh", which is the actual pronunciation. I am half-Korean and can read Korean, so I would know. :3 Rawwars (talk) 01:13, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.- Happysailor (Talk) 20:36, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Isaak Asimov uses "1337" in 1954[edit]

Check this out: Coincidence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:01, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 May 2013[edit]

This is probably one of the worst written articles I have read through in a while. Where the heck are you getting your sources from? This Anthony Mitchell guy just slapped together a silly "OPINION" piece which you have taken most of your information from. Also that it was written over 5 years ago.

Also, leet is just a word to describe elite, it is not the word to describe the act of manipulating language through symbols. That would be called "Leet Speak" and should have its own separate wiki page.

There are a lot of other issues with this article that I am not going to go through, but all because you are able to find sources it does not mean that those sources within themselves are accurate and could have been written by anyone.

Overall, this is a very misleading page.

Edit request on 10 June 2013[edit]

PLEASE!!! I HAVE NEW INFO 2 4DD (talk) 04:03, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Not done - Unfortunately, you'll need to be specific about what information to add, and with what sources. If you wish to request unprotection, see Wikipedia:Requests for page protection.--Jasper Deng (talk) 04:09, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Mistake noticed[edit]

The vast majority of people who use the word "pwn" pronounce the 'P' when speaking it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:29, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Character Limits are not covered in the article[edit]

A large part of what made leet convenient, especially in the days where character limits were more heavily imposed but still today, is how it can be used to condense words into very few characters. I.e. hacks->hax. -xor and such were more commonly making fun of the shorthand, and not all characterizations have to do much with this. b4 and omg are shorthand, but my username for example is not. This way of typing not only made typing shorter for beginners, it also introduced a quick way to get across ideas with character replacements which was especially important when limited to say 20 characters per line. P4wn4g3 (talk) 08:56, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Suggesting a different leet translator[edit]

I suggest to replace the leet translator in the links section by this one:
The given translator does not work for me, it shows lots of <?>s. Thanks. -- (talk) 16:24, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Adding info to "origin of !!!!111!!111"[edit]

There was a discussion nine years ago that I just discovered in the archive discussion ( I realize that this is insignificant, but in the interest of completeness I thought I'd weigh in on it.

It was posited in the Wikipedia article of that time that The Gonif was the inventor of writing "!!!!111!!111" (on the BBS The Adventurer's Tavern). I was The Gonif at this time, and while I certainly did type "!!1!" an awful lot, I doubt that I invented it. I recall a lot of us doing that as a natural satirical response to all the "new warez kids" who had just gotten their modems and either didn't type well or didn't care much for proofreading before posting. HawkeVIPER got that part exactly right.

That's all I wanted to say, except that I didn't change my name to "SchvartzGonif" as was also posted in that discussion.

5-19-2016 Well this is "Sector Vector" and I knew you bud... (Circle 'K' 4 LIFE)... I certainly also remember we both proliferated "!!!1!!11" quite a bit on the Tavern and I even jokingly have said before that I invented it, but we certainly did not. I think my earliest recollection of seeing it there was reading one of those ridiculous "short stories" on the Tavern some people were fond of writing. One had The Gonif shouting "KAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!11!!!1! I AM SO KAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!111!!!11!" — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:42, 19 May 2016 (UTC) (talk) 23:15, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Grammatical mistake[edit]

"Within Leet, the term n00b, and derivations thereof, is used extensively." should be "... are used ...". (talk) 12:33, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

31337 and 313373 Prime numbers[edit]

I guess god was a hacker: 31337 and 313373 are prime numbers. Does anybody know whether this may have played a role in choosing the term Elite and 31337 as its Leetspeak equivalent, besides the similar looking characters? (talk) 23:41, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Lost Vikings 2 and l33t[edit]

Lost vikings 2's passwords are based on a form of l33t alphabet. To me, and to many others, I assume, it was a "first look" at l33t. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:32, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

The image is bad[edit]

Hello, is "\_/1!>1P3[]14", the image is bad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:44, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Agreed, I've replaced it with a photo of a "31337 h4x0r" laptop sticker. --McGeddon (talk) 13:23, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

103.7 MHz[edit]

Just something that came to my mind today while listening to radio. In the standard FM broadcast band (87.5~108.0 MHz), the closest approximation to 1337 seems to be 103.7 MHz. If anyone thinks that this piece of trivia belongs to the article, please add it. I wonder if any of the many radio stations broadcasting at 103.7 has been launched at that frequency as a reference to leet... I guess not. (talk) 01:04, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Far too long[edit]

This article is far too long. The internet language does not warrant paragraph-long definitions or corrupted words. I'm seeing this all over Wikipedia. People with vested interests and agendas heavily making Wiki articles about irrelevant things seem more important than they are. (talk) 14:13, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2014[edit]

External links[edit]

{{Internet Dialects}} {{internet slang}}

Category:Alphabets Category:Encodings Category:In-jokes Category:Internet culture Category:Internet slang Category:Latin-alphabet representations Category:Nonstandard spelling Category:Obfuscation

Edit request on 30 December 2014[edit]

The image, as it is now, is not a very good representation of leetspeak. It simply shows a computer sticker that does not give the whole picture. I'd recommend changing it to some kind of table that shows the leetspeak alphabet versus roman characters (like this page). I feel that a translation of sorts would better show a user new to leetspeak the general idea thereof.

If the image does stay the same, then the caption's grammar should be fixed. It currently reads: "A "31337 h4x0r" laptop sticker". This is awkward to say, as the "31337" is pronounced as "elite". The "A" should, therefore, be changed to an "An". The English language rules on "a" vs. "an" are based solely on the pronunciation of the next word in the sentence. Since "31337" is meant to sound like "elite", the "A" that precedes it should become an "An". This is similar to "a hour) vs. "an hour". The latter is correct as "hour", although is does not begin with a vowel, sounds as though it begins with an "o". — Preceding unsigned comment added by JasSingh99 (talkcontribs) 01:44, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 March 2015[edit] (talk) 02:25, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. --I am k6ka Talk to me! See what I have done 02:28, 12 March 2015 (UTC)


a definition for 1337,sad jonanthony78910 -former robloxian- — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:47, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 July 2015[edit]

It is important to note the difference between noob (or n00b) and newb. The definition in this article suits newb more: someone new to something (usually a game) and for that reason clueless to many advanced aspects of that subject. A noob is someone who has been in that environment (again, usually a game) for a longer time but is still very bad at it or use controversial tactics or in some other way display a big lack of skill.

[1] [2]

Some references (I doubt there's any more reputable sources for a popular topic like this). 2A02:1810:9507:9E00:A585:D2B4:7BCD:17E3 (talk) 11:19, 9 July 2015 (UTC)


Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  B E C K Y S A Y L E 13:31, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

spoken form[edit]

Is there a spoken form? Can, for example. pwn be pronounced? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:23, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Leet = jargon?[edit]

Does Leet fit the definition of jargon? This should be clarified in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:47, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2017[edit]

Reorientate the header picture, It's upside down. Therealguy (talk) 20:36, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Not done: @Therealguy: The items that are meant to be seen in the picture are the stickers. If the image were reoriented, the text would be upside down. —C.Fred (talk) 20:39, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Edit request for an early use of Leet outside BBS in 1981[edit]

I've found an early use of "Leet" in 1981, documented on the "Escape" LP Cover art by Stanley Mouse of the band "Journey". He stylized "ESCAPE" as E5C4P3 on the album cover, the LP topped the American Billboard 200 chart in 1981.

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. —KuyaBriBriTalk 14:16, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

It isn't about change anything but on adding new informations I've found, sorry if the request isn't in a correct form but I'm new to wikipedia editing. I'll try to put in Change X to Y format:


Leet symbols, especially the number 1337, are Internet memes that have spilled over into popular culture. Signs that show the numbers "1337" are popular motifs for pictures and shared widely across the Internet.


Early use of "Leet" outside BBS is documented on the "Escape" LP of the band "Journey", the album cover author Stanley Mouse stylized the title in "E5C4P3". The LP topped the American Billboard 200 chart in 1981. [note link]

Leet symbols, especially the number 1337, are Internet memes that have spilled over into popular culture. Signs that show the numbers "1337" are popular motifs for pictures and shared widely across the Internet.

Talk Carlosanta (talk) 15:40, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Question: @Carlosanta: Now you Change is clear, but you didn't provide a reliable source to back your claim. Note Wikipedia is not reliable source. Do you've any other?  — Ammarpad (talk) 16:15, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Well, there are many, here are the most reliable I've found: Journey official page All Music Database
Carlosanta (talk) 09:02, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

@Carlosanta: After this request you have been automatically autonconfirmed and you can now edit the page and all semi protected pages directly. You should try and see  — Ammarpad (talk) 11:12, 21 November 2017 (UTC)