Talk:Leprechaun

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Former good article Leprechaun was one of the Philosophy and religion good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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December 24, 2005 Peer review Reviewed
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July 21, 2009 Good article reassessment Delisted
Current status: Delisted good article

Reference format[edit]

Although there's nothing wrong with reference format currently being used, there's a big hidden comment at the top requesting people not to change it and referring to http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5885. However, that bug has been fixed for almost a year now; is there still any particular reason the article can't be converted over to the more popular cite.php format? —Angr 12:02, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

An update is long overdue. Maybe I'll get around to it. If someone else wants to, fine by me too. DreamGuy (talk) 20:26, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Removed pending citation...[edit]

According to folklore, the Leprechaun was once part of a community called "Luchor-pan or the wee bodies. Over time, the name became corrupted and this corruption gave rise to the notion that "brog " or shoe was part of the name. Thus, Leprechauns became shoemakers to the Good People, as well as the protector of their treasures. And, for whatever reason, Leprechauns were identified with some very anti-social personality traits, including irascibility, cunning, doubletalk and a liking for their own company.

In Co. Kildare, the name "Lurikeen" appears to be the name for Leprechaun and there are still other monikers elsewhere, but throughout the country, the folklore is the same when it comes to his haunts, habits and hidden crocks of gold. If you should wish to seek one out, they're usually found near very old castles, and they're always engaged in making shoes, but always one - never a pair.

- Francis Tyers · 18:09, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah good call, looks a bit odd. I have some books I'll check later. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:02, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Allingham Poem[edit]

I have read the Allingham poem several times. The lines in this article Are not in the poem, The Lepracaun; or Fairy Shoemaker! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.247.246.112 (talk) 17:23, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Allingham lived and died in the 19th century. I'll try to correct the description of him as an eighteenth-century poet, but if the technology baffles me I hope someone else does it. Campolongo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.36.214.251 (talk) 08:19, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Is Leprechaun originally an Irish term?[edit]

Hello, I'm Irish and I honestly thought Leprechauns had no actual roots in Ireland whatsoever. There are a lot of legends in Ireland, and though I've heard of "litle people" or fairies (which may or may not be the Tuatha De Danann or related to them), of Tir na nOg, and the Children of Lir, but outside of American-based media, I've yet to hear legends where leprechauns are present. I guess what I'm asking is, when was the word leprechaun first used in stories? No-one I know has heard of them outside of movies86.46.246.49 (talk) 01:08, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Fairy rings and forts[edit]

I have removed this from the lead: "Leprechauns and other creatures of Irish folklore are often associated with "faerie forts" or "faerie rings"[citation needed] — often the sites of ancient (Celtic or pre-Celtic) earthworks or drumlins.".

I tried to find a reliable source for this, and a trawl on Google News, Books and Scholar came up blank. This is not verifiable. Fences and windows (talk) 20:58, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Derogatory Use[edit]

The following is given under the Politics section :

"The term leprechaun language, has been used by some Unionists in Northern Ireland, and is a pejorative for the Irish language."

This is really not related to politics, the fact that it is used by Northern Irish protestants wishing to make derogatory comments, who are most likely Unionists, is not the same as it being used politically. My guess is that it was placed here as an attempted insult, rather than actually being informative.

Suggest that it is removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.237.142.20 (talk) 13:27, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Clean-up[edit]

The references were in need of some clean-up, which I have begun. I have converted them to the standard format, ignoring the notice, which seems to have been placed there years ago. The folklore section still needs references; I plan on adding some soon from Yeats's book. Lesgles (talk) 17:15, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

The female of the species?[edit]

Although I am Irish I never wondered until now where leprechauns come from. Where are their mothers? Why is the story of the female of the species never told? Leprechauns are always spoken of as isolated men, unsocial creatures who do not consort in groups, with no females to speak of. How do they reproduce?♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ It is clear that important facts have been withheld by Tradition.

Pot of gold[edit]

Is this a modern myth? That the leprechaun has a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, etc? I see a search on Google Books turns up a good number of references. --HighKing (talk) 11:12, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Etymology[edit]

Scientifically speaking, there's a protein related to bone growth called "leucine proline-enriched proteoglycan" (leprecan) 1 Doubtfull that the monks would have understood that. Perhaps Leper's Kin. Maybe there is a tie between leprosy and the short stature. Maybe they got a pot o gold from their dead leper parent, or the church. Maybe they fix shoes because there legs had fallen off, that would be in line with their humor...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leprecan

Could this be the true source of the word? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Somejeff (talkcontribs) 19:21, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

No. Fences&Windows 16:30, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


pop culture[edit]

A link should be put to here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Leprechaun_films

I cannot do it as the page is protected — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.113.96.60 (talk) 15:38, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Popular culture[edit]

This section reads:

Films, television cartoons and advertising have popularised a specific image of leprechauns which bears scant resemblance to anything found in the cycles of Irish folklore. Irish people can find the popularised image of a leprechaun to be little more than a series of Irish stereotypes.[1]

Yet except for some varieties wearing red coats rather than green, the physical descriptions of leprechauns in this article is, in fact, very similar to what popular culture depicts. From Thomas Keightley's 1870 "The Leprechaun in the Garden" from The Fairy Mythology: Illustrative of the Romance and Superstition of Various Countries"

…a bit of an ould man, not a quarther so big as a newborn child, wid a little' cocked hat an his head, an' a dudeen in his mouth, smokin' away; an' a plain, ould-fashioned, dhrab-coloured coat, wid big brass buttons upon it, an his back, an' a pair o' massy silver buckles in his shoes, that a'most covered his feet they war so big, an' be workin' away as hard as ivir he could, heelin' a little pair o' pumps.

The first sentence of the "Popular culture" section appears to contradict both the rest of the article and this 1870 Irish-folklore description. As for the second sentence, without the exact quote and a little more information (publisher, year, etc.) about the book in order to be able to tell if it's a scholarly text or simply some mass-market work of lesser academic provenance, it's hard to judge how factual that claim is, and whether it's of undue weight. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:44, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

That doesn't answer the question on whether or not Irish people find Leprechauns to be an offensive stereotype or not, though. There is only one source used (which doesn't actually link to anything) and the section lacks any significant context. I have personally never heard of any Irish man or woman taking offence to Leprechauns being portrayed as they currently are in pop culture. I seriously doubt the word is used as a racial slur which the section is almost implying in a way. As there is no info on the source that has been used, I'd agree it's pretty useless at the moment and only open to guess-work. It certainly doesn't look promising in favour of the source though being academic or dare I say it, reliable. The entire section reads like nationalist nit-picking and was probably written by a patriotic person with hang-ups. But that's just a guess and all ^__^ oh yeah, the section should be deleted. It's useless and brings nothing to the article in terms of quality. --Τασουλα (talk) 01:40, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Christianity causing the decrease in size of Leprechauns[edit]

I erased the following statement: "When Christianity took religious precedence, the importance (and thus, the size) of the leprechauns decreased.[2]"

My reasoning is that the citation didn't support the claim. If there is support for the claim, it needs to be properly cited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hateloveschool (talkcontribs) 12:08, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Negra, Diane The Irish in Us. [page needed]
  2. ^ Only the Gods are Real

Semi-protected edit request on 16 January 2014[edit]

Once a lepricanno looses his bling he no longer has da magicalll powas. Lucky Man Charm162.78.70.162 (talk) 18:11, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. --Anon126 (talk - contribs) 23:10, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2014[edit]

es un bicho ke come cosas, y un dia me dijo k quemara cosas, y queme la casa...217.126.246.78 (talk) 11:28, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — {{U|Technical 13}} (tec) 11:48, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
It's a Ralph Wiggum reference: "he told me to burn things" etc.--NoSnakesInIreland (talk) 22:40, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2014[edit]

Where it says country on the right side, it says "Ireland, UK". Ireland is not in the UK. 90.214.71.107 (talk) 13:28, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 06:51, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Reference note #5 -- dead link[edit]

Fresh one: http://edil.qub.ac.uk/dictionary/results-new.php?srch=luchorp&dictionary_choice=edil_2012 176.221.120.203 (talk) 22:24, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2016[edit]

Category:Supernatural legends 76.88.107.122 (talk) 01:59, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done - Thanks for your contribution to Wikipedia Face-smile.svg
In future, please state more specifically, what exactly you'd like to change. In this case "Please add this article to Category:Supernatural legends. Thank you." would have been appropriate. fredgandt 03:09, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Neutrality[edit]

This article seems to apply that it's a fact that Leprechauns are offensive to the Irish, and that all modern uses of Leprechauns are offensive stereotypes of Irish. However, that is an opinion, not a fact. While it may be a popular opinion, it's not even close to being an universally accepted fact as the article implies. JDDJS (talk) 21:20, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

There's certainly a sizable contingent that finds many of the cartoon depictions to be an example of offensive, ethnic stereotyping. I think there are some sources for this in the Anti-Irish sentiment article, which I've linked with a modification of the text. I'll see if I can flesh out the sourcing some more tomorrow (urgh, of all days). Best, - CorbieV 01:20, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

There might be a notable amount of people who find it offensive, and that can be included in the article. But the way it was worded implied that it was an universally accepted fact that Leprechauns are offensive, and that's not true. If you want to add a section discussing the opinion that Leprechauns are racist, I agree, but it has to be clear that it's opinion and not fact. JDDJS (talk) 01:54, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Rather that just hitting "undo", you need to read the rewording, and the sourcing. The goal here is to report the viewpoint, but you are trying to just delete it entirely via edit-warring and POV pushing. Re-read what you reverted. I plan on returning the neutral version with more sourcing, but it would be more collegial of you to self-revert. - CorbieV 19:59, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
Two edits is not editing warring. I did read it, and it still came off as bias. If you go through​previous discussions, editors have bought up in the past that it comes off as bias. There was only one source​. Saying that every single modern appearance of Leprechauns is racist is a very big accusation and requires multiple sources. When you only have one source, it sounds more like a fringe theory. JDDJS (talk) 20:43, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
Language is obviously very important, so let's look at some of the language in use here. There are two sentences or short paragraphs in dispute:
  1. Modern depictions of leprechauns are largely based on derogatory 19th-century caricatures and stereotypes of the Irish.
  2. Films, television cartoons and advertising have popularised a specific image of leprechauns which bears scant resemblance to anything found in the cycles of Irish folklore. Irish people can find the popularised image of a leprechaun to be little more than a series of stereotypes of the Irish.
So, "the article seems to apply that it's a fact that Leprechauns are offensive to the Irish, and that all modern uses of Leprechauns are offensive stereotypes of Irish" is a gross misrepresentation. 99% of the article is not about modern depictions at all, the first short sentence makes no mention of anybody's feelings, and the second merely notes that Irish people can find the modern image to be a stereotype. The word "offensive" is never used. But to go on and say that it says "that every single modern appearance of Leprechauns is racist", well, that just doesn't reflect reality at all.
Modern depictions of leprechauns are largely based on derogatory 19th-century caricatures and stereotypes of the Irish. This is a simple statement of fact, it is sourced, and it is very obviously true. You have only to look at a 19th-century caricature like this one to see that this is what they are derived from (there are plenty more images at Commons:Category:Anti-Irish discrimination). To change that to "Some Irish people believe that..." is not only to add weasel words but to misrepresent the cited source.
Films, television cartoons and advertising have popularised a specific image of leprechauns which bears scant resemblance to anything found in the cycles of Irish folklore – again, factual, sourced and very obviously true. The images of leprechauns in Irish folklore are described in detail in the article. Nobody could seriously claim that this character bears any more than a scant resemblance, never mind the Lucky Charms leprechaun or the Fighting Irish leprechaun. Saying "Leprechauns frequently have appeared in films, television cartoons and advertising" is like saying "African Americans frequently have appeared in films, television cartoons and advertising." It tells you nothing about how they appeared.
I appreciate anybody trying to maintain NPOV in an article, but NPOV involves representing all of the significant views that have been published by reliable sources. Deleting sourced content because you don't think it sounds nice has nothing to do with NPOV. Scolaire (talk) 09:38, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

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