Talk:Li Ka-shing

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Is he the wealthiest person in Hong Kong? That would be worth mentioning. --Jiang

Two quotes[edit]

Two Quotes: Li founded Hutchison Whampoa and... and That company would eventually acquire Hutchison Whampoa Limited in... . Founded or acquired, which one is it? 06:20, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Acquire, he first founded the company now known as Cheung Kong Holdings, and then he acquired Hutchison Whampoa through Cheung Kong; I think Cheung Kong is also the first Chinese firm to acquire a Foreign 'Hong' in Hong Kong. --richeyxx13:05, 31 Dec 2005 (CST)

Major cleanup[edit]

Major cleanup: tried to bring the whole article together stylistically; removed all the (extensive) poor grammar that I could find; rewrote the last section; added links to Li's two major companies. --Shannonr 05:41, 9 May 2005 (UTC)


Was this written by his PR staff? The man has accomplished a lot but maybe it could be stated in a more objective manner. I won't chang it myself, as I am not well aquainted with the man, but I felt it was worth bringing up. Shouta 05:05, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, the whole article reads like a high school students homework essay.

yup this article has some serious POV issues. What's with all that stuff on Jardines? TastyCakes (talk) 16:53, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

The wealthiest man in Asia[edit]

The statement of the discussion heading is presently made in the article. However, the Forbes Magazine article which in the next sentence is refered to as recognizing Shing as the tenth wealthiest man in the world has two other Asians higher on the list: Lakshmi Mittal of India in fifth place (living in the UK though) and Prince Alwaleed of Saudi Arabia in spot number eight. I will thus remove the statement. /Dcastor 20:45, 24 October 2006 (UTC)


I tried to align the spelling of Li Ka-shing with the Wikipedia:Naming conventions (chinese)#Names, in particular when to use Wade-Giles, and how. Merabus 23:39, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


This article is heavily biased toward Li Ka-shing. Evidence: language like, "By 1950, his hard work, prudence and his pursuit of excellence had enabled him to start his own company, Cheung Kong Industries." So I declared it NPOV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:23, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I've tried to fix some of these issues. TastyCakes (talk) 16:15, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Date of Birth[edit]

I have notice that the date of birth of Li Ka-Shing on the text is 13 June 1928 and the boxed table on the right is 29 July 1928. Can someone help to confirm the exact date of birth. Thank you. --Josephine (talk) 21:51, 26 July 2009

Encyclopædia Britannica writes 13 June. The other link is dead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:17, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
According to the biography of Li Ka-shing (李嘉誠傳) his birthday June 13 in Lunar calendar, which is July 29 in Gregorian. Vicary (talk) 17:53, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Something has become really confused about his date of birth, as sources for the article claim as above mentioned 13 June, and also some places claim July 29. Yet, the date posted in the article is now 30 January! And that without any sources. It seems this article is not enough guarded. I have no idea were 30 January came from and which date is actually the right one. Regarding this kind of person, it's not so uncommon with this kind of confusion of dates, as it may be hard to get it really confirmed from the person himself. Sometimes one can get a clue, if there is a official birthday celebration or articles about it at some special years. There may be something in some Hong-Kong news paper from 2008 i.e.--Bemland (talk) 01:09, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Mandarin pronunciation[edit]

While not wanting to politicize this, I was just curious if we should add the Mandarin pronunciation and simplified character version of his name? -- (talk) 08:40, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Article title[edit]

I have no idea why the article was moved from Li Ka-shing to Ka-shing Li. The official biography of the subsect says

  • Mr. Li Ka-shing is the Chairman of Cheung Kong (Holdings) Limited and Hutchison Whampoa Limited. [1]

Is there any reason to think that is not his proper name, in English?   Will Beback  talk  10:51, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

'Given name(s)-Surname' is the proper order of writing names in English; it is independent of the origin of the name. Douglas the Comeback Kid (talk) 12:37, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Not necessarily. In Malayasia, the order is also reversed, with family name first. More importantly, Wikipedia uses the most common name for any individual, whatever that is. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people). Since the name of this individual is commonly given as Li Ka-shing, that's what this article should be called. The burden is on you to show that some other name is more common. Also, when a move is necessary it's best to make a request. Moving the way you did causes extra work for admins who have to undo it then fix it.   Will Beback  talk  20:57, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Yes, but this is an INCORRECT way of presenting names in English. Wikipedia English should be a place to promote the correct use of English.
The subject is referred to in English as Li Ka-shing. I see there is a specific naming convention for Chinese subjects. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese)#Order_of_names, which says: Personal names in Chinese, unlike Western names, present the family/clan name first. Unlike other instances where this occurs, it is standard practice in English to also present the family name first (for example, Mao Zedong, Deng Xiaoping and Bai Ling). "Mao Zedong" is correct English.   Will Beback  talk  19:03, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
This's probably because at the very beginning when people transliterate Chinese names into English they're unaware of the difference of the naming rules. The mistake has then turned into a common practice so it seems to people that it's 'acceptable'. But, this 'convention' doesn't follow the normal practice in English. By the way, it's a double standard to apply different naming conventions to different people; that's also unfair because it leads a labelling effect which distinguishes a particular group of people from the rest. Douglas the Comeback Kid (talk) 10:46, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
You're probably right about each of your points: that it's a longstanding mistake with cultural implications. However we're not here to right the world's wrongs; we're just here to write the world's encyclopedia. We follow whichever practice is most common, right or wrong.
The core naming convention says: Article titles should be recognizable to readers, unambiguous, and consistent with usage in reliable English-language sources. That's a bit obtuse, but basically it means that each title should reflect common usage as found in English-language sources. In the case of this subject, we have his company's website and news clippings which all call him Li Ka-shing. In the case of other Hong Kong people it may be more complicated because multiple names are used, some English, in multiple arrangements. Yet we can't impose our own views on how people should be named. We have to call articles and people using the common usage as best we can. In people who have more than one sourced variation, it's appropriate to list the other variations in the lead, and to use redirects.   Will Beback  talk  10:57, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
If that's the rule of Wikipedia then I've nothing to say - Wikipedia's castle, Wikipedia's rules. But I must express my profound disappointment on the existence of such rule. Douglas the Comeback Kid (talk) 16:08, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
I know it seems odd. But going with the most common usage has worked out generally, though there are sometimes problems, like figuring out which names is most common.   Will Beback  talk  07:26, 25 May 2011 (UTC).
Perhaps the most important lesson is that articles may appear under a number of possible titles all of which can be found through redirects, but what really matters is the contents of the article itself. Let's not get hung up on the name but rather work on making the best possible article.   Will Beback  talk  11:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Richest Asian[edit]

Like a shing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:19, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


This mentions his citizenship as "Canadian" but I didn't see any reference as to why he is Canadian, how he became Canadian, why chose to become Canadian, etc. He lives in Hong Kong and was born in China. I'm curious how Canada factors in to this at all. It seems worthwhile to mention, I came here to find out his Canadian status specifically after noticing here: [2] that he was a Canadian who was listed as one of the wealthiest people in the world. Celynn (talk) 02:43, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed[edit]

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Nigerian 419 Advance Fee Fraud Usage of Article[edit]

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