Talk:LifeRing Secular Recovery

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A fact from LifeRing Secular Recovery appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 28 January 2017 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that LifeRing Secular Recovery provides support and assistance to people trying to beat alcohol and drug addiction without religion?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2017/January. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/LifeRing Secular Recovery.

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New Section

If relevant, possibly a new section is required which could compare LifeRing's effectiveness to other self-help groups. I couldn't find enough peer review research to make any good quality comparisons but other editors of course should try as papers become available, in particular compared with SMART which has a similar methodology, or with AA which is quite different, although more widely studied. Thanks Mramoeba (talk) 14:29, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

SMART and AA cost-effectiveness statement

@Mramoeba: regarding this sentence "Secular self-help addiction group SMART Recovery and twelve-step support organizations such as Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) have been widely studied and found to be both successful and cost-effective in addiction treatment programs." I read the preview of the cited pages (538-541) in Lowinson and Ruiz's Substance Abuse: A Comprehensive Textbook and had another looks at Religiosity and participation in mutual-aid support groups for addiction. While I know they have been studied and I'm not questioning their cost-effectiveness, and I don't see material in them supporting the claim of cost-effectiveness or how widely the groups are studied in the case of SMART or AA from these two sources. I'd suggest we just remove this first sentence as it's not really relevant to LifeRing in any case. - Scarpy (talk) 17:28, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine with that, thanks for pointing that out. I agree, take it out. I wasn't happy with it either once it was pointed out Mramoeba (talk) 17:40, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Updates involving LifeRing on Secular Organizations for Sobriety page

I added some details about the various lawsuits regarding SOS that lead to the founding on LifeRing on the Secular Organizations for Sobriety#Northern California–New York split and litigation (1990–2001). Mostly because I rediscovered a tussle I had 14 years ago and decided I should try to make it right. - Scarpy (talk) 06:30, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Clean-up

I added cases I found for the legal dispute between SOS and LifeRing (SOS West at the time), and did some other clean-up. My only real gripe is that the publications section is a little too glossy when it describes some of these books - like it's trying to sell them rather than describe them in encyclopedic tone. - Scarpy (talk) 20:56, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]