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Her age[edit]

There are questions over her birth year as discussed in the Talk-page archive for this article. The cite that was here to a search page for the Federal Bureau of Prisons had nothing for a African-American Kimberly Jones, and nothing for Kimberly Denise Jones or Kimberly D. Jones. And Wikipedia guidelines disallow us, in any case, to link to a search page.

There is, in fact, an entire VH1 article here specifically saying that journalistic sources disagree on her age. ("How Old Is Lil’ Kim, Exactly?" by Bené Viera, July 11, 2012). An excerpt (with reliable sources boldfaced):

Her bios on Billboard, TV Guide, Yahoo Movies and Starpulse corroborate Wikipedia’s 1975 birth [at the time the article was written] On the other hand, AOL Music’s bio page for the BK rapper is in line with IMDB’s 1974. In 2005, MSNBC wrote, “Lil’ Kim, who turns 30 next week…” which would again make this a happy 37th birthday. And People.com in 2003 referred to her as a then 28-year-old making her 37 today [and not 39 until July 11, 2014].

The best example of how to approach this is Mariah Carey. Choosing one RS over another is POV unless we have definitive evidence such as a birth record. --Tenebrae (talk) 21:02, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

NJ Voter Registration has her as born in 1974. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.12.88.237 (talk) 17:08, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

That would be a great footnote. Do you have a link for that citation? --Tenebrae (talk) 22:57, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I am able to find her in the Federal Bureau of Prisoners inmate locator (http://www.bop.gov/inmateloc/). Her BOP register number is 56198-054. Melonkelon (talk) 06:07, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Her drivers license says she was born July 11, 1979. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nilablack (talkcontribs) 01:39, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

There was considerable publicity around the release of her baby's photo on what was said to be her fortieth birthday, 11 July 2014. 31.55.60.218 (talk) 10:42, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

On Lil Kim's episode of Driven Behind The Music, Jones' mother says she was born July 11, 1976. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:832E:6870:DC4A:32BC:9030:52A8 (talk) 03:16, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

The BBC bio has taken it's info from wikipedia and can therefore not be considered as a source. TvGuide doesn't give any date at all.DrKilleMoff (talk) 13:18, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

As DrKilleMoff said, the BBC bio explicitly cites Wikipedia as its source, and the TV Guide link (at least as of now) includes no age/birthdate info. I'll remove both links. The other two links supporting the July 11 1975 birth date, All Music and Billboard, are word-for-word identical, and the content is licensed from TiVo Corporation, which acquired it from a company called Rovi Corporation, neither of which have a reputation for accuracy or fact-checking, to my knowledge. I'll remove those links as well, on that basis. (At the bottom of the Billboard bio, it lists the source as Rovi, and AllMusic's submission guide says to mail info to TiVo Corporation.) While Billboard's news publication may arguably be a reliable source, their website simply licenses TiVo's database of biographical content. The NY Times and LA Times also license dubious third party data for their website-only bios, which aren't vetted by the news organizations' fact-checkers and editors.
The July 11 1974 date is consistent with the age reported in these articles: 2005 New York Times, 2014 LA Times/2014 Chicago Tribune (identical article; author worked for both papers), 2016 Washington Post, 2014 The Independent.
The July 11 1975 date is consistent with the age reported in these articles: 2000 LA Times (it credits a NY Daily News staff writer, so perhaps that was a reprinted Daily News article), 2000 Washington Post, 2004 Rolling Stone, 2005 Chicago Tribune, 1997 The Independent, 1998 The Independent.
All the above news sources before her March 17 2005 perjury conviction are consistent with the 1975 date, and all after that are consistent with the 1974 date. This is PURE personal speculation, but I'd guess that for some reason she falsely gave 1975 as her birth year until either the conviction changed her attitude toward lying, or maybe the July 2005 New York Times article's fact checker(s) accessed her Brooklyn birth certificate showing 1974, and she decided to use 1974 after that.
The Daily Mail, which is not a reliable source, had three relatively recent articles where her age was consistent with the 1974 date, and one article where her age was 3 years younger than that...a good illustration of why it's not considered a reliable source.
Some sources listing July 11 1974 specifically:
· 2016 Gazette Review article (I'm unfamiliar with this website/publication).
· 2014 Toronto Sun article (but the article was licensed from a third party called wenn.com, with which I'm unfamiliar).
· Icons of Hip Hop: An Encyclopedia of the Movement, Music, and Culture, Volume 2 (2007 book)
Some sources listing July 11 1975 specifically:
· Rolling Stone Encyclopedia of Rock & Roll: Rolling Stone, page 566, (2001 book)
· Encyclopedia of African American Actresses in Film and Television (2009 book)
· This Day in Music: An Every Day Record of Musical Feats and Facts (2010 book)
While I'm guessing the 3 books saying 1975 are wrong, they seem to me to meet the criteria for reliable sources, so I'll add those in lieu of the current four references I'm removing.
Agyle (talk) 01:14, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Where She has performed[edit]

Lil Kim also performed at Musicalize in London on November 22nd, 2013. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itsdanielmolyneaux (talkcontribs) 14:12, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

rhythmbox music player[edit]

rhythmbox music player fedora 5 doesn´t worke please tel me what can I do ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.222.97.218 (talk) 16:41, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Profile Picture[edit]

Can we update the profile picture to be from the 2015 BET awards? She looked better than ever that night. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.199.104.168 (talk) 18:16, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

That would be fantastic. Mryear3000ify (talk) 20:13, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Image needs to have unambiguous copyright clearance.

Semi-protected edit request on 14 July 2015[edit]

Lil' Kim's date of birth is 11th July 1976, which means she is 39 years old.

EVIDENCE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ATKtR23wE

If you watch the youtube link above and go to the 1:50 mark, her mother states her date of birth.

80.0.21.94 (talk) 12:22, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

  • Sources differ on this, with the most reliable sources (various government records) stating that her birth year is 1974, but many journalistic sources stating 1975. It's quite possible that the artist is deliberately obscuring her age to appear younger. Given the situation, a direct quote from her mother is not worth including a third possible birth date/age in the article. See previous talk discussion at the top of this page and in the archives. If anyone disagrees, feel free to discuss here. Thanks for making the edit request, though, it was definitely worth bringing up. ~ RobTalk 13:08, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Leaving home[edit]

This article says her father expelled her from the home. However, the future Lil' Kim ran away from home to escape her father's abuse. She shunned her father for many years, but reluctantly let him stay at one of her homes, as he has Alzeimer's disease. Here's one article:

http://www.africaresource.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=304:the-life-of-lil-kim&Itemid=327

Genre[edit]

Under Genre, it says Hip-Hop, but she frequently records music in other genres as well. Specifically R&B and Reggae. Should it be updated since other rappers have multiple genres written on their pages too? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.126.12 (talk) 16:20, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

== Don't Undo Kim's age == They lied about her during her career because she was under-age. her mom was keeping the lie going.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ATKtR23wE her mother confirms her age at the 1:55 mark. She is 39 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frost412 (talkcontribs) 22:20, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

That's one source, and family may not always tell the truth. The same issue came up at Mariah Carey, where documented sources like a driver's license and a high school transcript give a different year than what Carey's mother gives. Celebrities fudge their ages all the time. I've restored the article to what the RS citations say, so per WP:BRD, the next step is to discuss the issue on the talk page and reach a consensus for change. It generally starts informally and can go to a formal WP:RfC. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:12, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=lil+kim+identity+theft&view=detailv2&&id=B38329EAAF9D6654922E433E12F3B356125026A2&selectedIndex=0&ccid=vRlrWYoy&simid=608046509559580940&thid=OIP.Mbd196b598a32883f4a577cc5ef8f234co0&ajaxhist=0== PLEASE CORRECT HER DAMN AGE FOR ONCE AND FOR ALL JULY 11, 1979 ==

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjHduk0JrlA


DURING HER INTERVIEW WITH BOOM BASH THIS MONTH, SHE STATED THAT SHE WAS AROUND THE AGE OF 17 WHEN SHE WAS IN THE JUNIOR MAFIA'S PLAYERS ANTHEM VIDEO, RELEASED IN 1995. WHICH MAKES HER 36 NOW NOT 40 NOR 41. IT IS DISREPECTFUL TO HER AND HER FANS TO CONTINOUSLY POST FALSE INFO AND MAKING HER OLDER THAN WHAT SHE IS. STOP RELYING ON OTHER ARTICLES, WRITTEN BY PEOPLE, AND TAKEN KIM'S WORD. SHE WAS BORN JULY 11,1979 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nique79 (talkcontribs) 23:53, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Sources ranging from the federal government to such respected music periodicals as Billboard say completely otherwise. Examine the cited sources in the article.--Tenebrae (talk) 20:22, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Lil Kim[edit]

I wish whoever did this make adjustments or let me do it. Lil Kim was born in 1976 her mother has stated this, her dad didnt kick her out she left the house because they would fight, he was very strict. Lil Kim has taken so many good pictures this year please take what i have said in consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KyKy92 (talkcontribs) 00:23, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

See 19 December 2015 comment directly above.--Tenebrae (talk) 21:55, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Plastic surgery[edit]

...isn't mentioned anywhere in the article. Really? Are we pretending this hasn't happened???? --RThompson82 (talk) 22:49, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

It's just as easy to add content to an article, as it is to add content to a talk page. Feel free to add whatever you want about her change of appearance (ie. she has become caucasian). It should be easy, there are currently reliable sources all over the net about this. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 11:05, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2016[edit]

2606:A000:4DC7:5300:6C81:5FCE:A8E2:A72B (talk) 22:44, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Blank request — JJMC89(T·C) 03:16, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Hard Core[edit]

please change ((Hard Core)) to ((Hard Core (Lil' Kim album)|Hard Core)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:541:4305:c70:b464:2c6:9e5e:1603 (talk) 13:42, 15 May 2016

 Resolved — JJMC89(T·C) 19:27, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

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Birth year is 1974[edit]

After having looked through the sources and footnotes in the article (many of which are now dead links), I feel it's safe to list her birthdate as July 11, 1974. The Federal Bureau of Prisons Inmate Locater lists her at 42 years of age (her # is 56198-054, and her release date is listed as August 2, 2006, which coincides with her sentence). I also did a search on familysearch.org, which lists her D.O.B. as July 11, 1974, as well as multiple New York and New Jersey addresses; her parents, Linwood L. Jones and Ruby M. Jones are listed as relatives. These are public records, and trump any bio pages from VH1 or other fluff sources that list 1975. --Drown Soda (talk) 02:09, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2016[edit]


Lil' Kim was born on July 11th 1976. This was confirmed by her mother on her VH1 TV show called 'Driven'. You will be able to find the video on YouTube.141.92.129.43 (talk) 15:13, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

As discussed above, this is not a reliable source. There are too many contradictions. Karst (talk) 15:21, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Controversies[edit]

Can someone clean up the typos in those paragraphs? There are some spaces & quotation marks missing. 63.92.248.121 (talk) 03:32, 27 August 2016 (UTC) Darwin

I did two reverts that inserted a lot of unverified material into that section. I would be good to have a discussion on what has merit with reliable sources there and what would be trivial. Karst (talk) 11:14, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. DRAGON BOOSTER 08:56, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Fifth album title[edit]

Per the discussion here, there's been no official confirmation on the title of Lil' Kim's fifth album. There have been rumors, but nothing concrete. The only people who have stated that the album is called Black Widow are either specifically saying that Wikipedia has this listed or they were written long after the information was added to the article, meaning that they're clearly pulling from us as a source. Until we have official confirmation from the performer or her official representatives, the album should be considered untitled. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 10:35, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Analysis[edit]

There seems to be a lot of debate on Lil'Kim's real age and personal life. Their claims are most likely biased towards things people have heard, so can the references really be reliable unless they come straight from Lil'Kim or someone in her family? --Janinemalahoff (talk) 22:03, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

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Legacy Section[edit]

Its time for Lil' Kim to have "Legacy" section in her Wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Godneybjs (talkcontribs) 09:06, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Lil Kim's controversies[edit]

Lil' Kim did an interview in 2001 with Wendy Williams and in that interview she stated that she made up with Shyne. The interview is on YouTube. It would be great to show that she rectified her issue with him years ago.

Also, where is Faith Evans and Eve in the "controversy" section?

Lil' Kim record sales[edit]

The article states that Lil' Kim has sold 15 million albums worldwide and 30 million singles. Where are the sources and are those credible sources?

Also, the Junior M.A.F.I.A album conspiracy has not sold 8 million records worldwide. Sources please!!

Question about the opening header paragraph[edit]

"Her following albums, The Notorious K.I.M. (2000) and La Bella Mafia (2003), were certified Platinum, making her the only female rapper besides Missy Elliott to have at least 3 Platinum albums." Maybe this should be changed to "only solo female rapper" because Salt-N-Pepa also have 3 platinum albums. Horizonlove (talk) 23:04, 17 October 2017 (UTC)