Talk:Lily Mazahery

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Vandalism[edit]

One of more individuals using user name EmptySpace2008 continue to vandalize this page by removing its contents. This effort has been persistent and on-going for weeks now and needs to be addressed and stopped immediately. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Manime87 (talkcontribs) 03:25, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Manime87 is a sockpuppet of Joaj. Joaj and all his sockpuppets have been banned. Emptyspace is the same as User:Ahmadbatebi. --AFriedman (talk) 21:59, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Role in batebi case[edit]

dear friends, in NY Times it has not been mentioned that Ms Mazahery helped Batebi to escape from Iran. I removed this part because Ms. Mazaheri just helped him to come to US (not from Iran to Iraq). Meanwhile Ms. Mazahery even has not filled the immigration forms for Batebi. All things are in the process with the efforts of HUMAN RIGHTS WATCHS and helps from AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL. Clear? please let me know if you more info. Thanks--Shayan7 (talk) 01:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

NOTE: PLEASE DO NOT DELET DISCUSSIONS IN THIS PAGE.--Shayan7 12:27, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Shayan7: Dear lady, you are providing misleading and inaccurate information, and continue to vandalize various pages to suit your own malicious intent. Your actions are reprehensible and unacceptable. Your attempt to change historical facts and verified information is beyond reproach. Clear?Manime87 (talk) 14:26, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

The entry should be removed[edit]

Lily Mazahery's activities are not enough important to be mentioned as a single entry in Wikipedia. I would like to candide this page for removal from Wiki. --Shayan7 17:12, 1 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shayan7 (talkcontribs)

Even the Democratic Kurdish Party of Iran Acknowledges Mazahery's Role[edit]

Shayan7, you appear to have some sort of a personal vendetta against the subject of this article/wiki page. Your attempts to vandalize this page and those related to it, including the deletion of verified historical facts and information, adding unverified content without providing any source to legitimize your assertions, and replacing key materials with unsubstantiated, misleading, and at times entirely false nonsense are reprehensible. The DKPI, particularly its leaders, work closely with Mazahery on many of her cases. In fact, some of them are even Mazahery's own clients. These individuals would be the first ones to dismiss your biased and malicious claims regarding Mazahery's work and role in the cases that you continuously attempt to vandalize. The very information that you repeatedly delete in an act of pure malice is in fact posted by the DKPI on its own website: http://www.pdki.org/articles1-1611-11.htm

Your biased, vindictive, and iniquitous actions and continued vandalism are inexcusable. They, as you, have no place in a community such as this.Manime87 (talk) 22:18, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Ms. Mazahery's Work and Significance[edit]

In the past few weeks I have sadly observed attempts by some to discredit a distinguished member of the Iran/American community- Ms. Lily Mazahery.

I have never met Ms. Mazahery , but as an Iranian freedom activist (see derafsh.org), I have been highly impressed by her tireless brilliant interventions on behalf of desolate and dismembered Iranians , suffering under the misrule of the Clerical Regime in Iran. Ms. Mazahery has assissted many Iranians whose lives were in danger in Iran to acquire US visas and get permission to resettle as political asylees in the United States.

On several occasions I have observed Ms. Mazahery's brilliant interviews with Mr. Baharlo on Voice of America regarding gross and systematic violations of human rights in Iran. Those involved issues such as the need for abolition of the Law of Vengeance- permitting torture, stoning, cutting arms and legs, gouging eyes, capital punishment and issues relating to equal rights and freedoms for women of Iran.

I also observed Ms. Lily Mazahery's brilliant and timely intervention , which was broadcast by the CNN international , during Mr. Mohammad Khatami's (Iran's former president) visit and speech at Harvard University in 2006. Her remarks concerned the notorious imprisonment, torture and cold blooded assassination of a Canadian/Iranian Journalist visiting Iran in the notorious Evin prison. This turned out to be a great embarrasment for Mr. Khatami.

I have heard from Iranians that she has nearly always offered her legal services to Iranians pro bono.

It is for those reasons that when I read on the wikepedia site that certain individuals are asking for deletion of observations about her I thought it is time to raise my voice.

Respectfully ,

Professor Manouchehr Ganji derafsh.org Joaj (talk) 16:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

RE: Role[edit]

Dearest Mr Ganji, Thanks for taking time to write this note. I respect your idea but before Mr Batebi's story none of these stories was mentioned anywhere. Meanwhile she is trying to say she had a key role in Batebi's escape from Iran and it's totally wrong. She had no role in that; also she did not even fill immigration form for him and Batebi is following his efforts through Human Rights Watch. The problem is that you do not know Ms Mazahery, if you have stated yourself as well. Many thanks again for your time. --Shayan7 17:03, 4 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shayan7 (talkcontribs)

Mazahery's Accomplishments and Shayan7's Misinformation and Defamatory Assertions[edit]

THIS ASSERTION IS COMPLETELY FALSE. The rest of us were all aware of Ms. Mazahery's work and activities for years. Her writings, speeches, and articles written about her were on the internet long before Batebi reached out to her for assistance. Perhaps you needed to spend more time reading and researching and less time engaging in the foolish acts that your profile indicates. This is not the place for you to revise history to suit your own purposes and defame a respected and highly accomplished member of the Iranian/American community. Ms. Mazahery's accomplishments stand on their own and they are facts. The fact that one is making comments about someone's work without being personally familiar with her only makes those comments more significant and unbiased. You, on the other hand, seem to know Ms. Mazahery personally and your actions and vandalism of the content related to her is clearly based on your personal animosity towards her instead of objective editing, which Wikipedia requires.--Joaj (talk) 17:25, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Lily Mazahery's Success And Activism Have Been Recognized For Years[edit]

--Vistaboy99 (talk) 00:57, 5 March 2009 (UTC)Are we seriously having this discussion?! Shayan must have been living under a rock in the past few years or is just a bitter person who wants to discredit someone who has accomplished so much, is highly respected, and a role model.

However, since Shayan seems to have only learned how to read or use the internet since September 2008, I figured that it may not be a bad idea to familiarize him with reality.

Iran Almanac, Iran's Who's Who[1]

Article in NY-based Village Voice: A Marriage Made in Hell[2] Iranians and Iraqis work together to advance an evil cause by Nat Hentoff. Tuesday, September 19th 2006 Article on Iran and Mazahery's work contains a photo with this caption: "Lily Mazahery: Rescuing women condemned for "impurity""

At Harvard University—during Khatami's lecture on the "Ethics of Tolerance in the Age of Violence"—an Iranian student in the audience broke into the spiel by asking him about the late Iranian Canadian photojournalist Zahra Kazemi, whose life came to an agonizing end in an Iranian prison while this lecturer on tolerance was the "moderate" president of the Islamic Republic. As Amir Taheri reported in the New York Post, Khatami, "with a broad smile, told the student he wasn't quite sure how the poor woman had died in one of his prisons."

Many Canadians, including officials in the Canadian government, are furiously sure how she died. So is Persian American human rights lawyer Lily Mazahery, who, invited by students and faculty, spoke at Harvard on the same day as Khatami.

....

Mazahery has worked to bring sunlight to the names and fates of individual victims of the barbaric Islamic regime in Iran. Born in Tehran in 1972, she tells me, "I witnessed the Islamic revolution firsthand, as my father, a government official under the Shah's regime, was the target of [Ayatollah]Khomeini 's killing machine." (Khomeini, as history shows, is Iran's ultimate executioner.)

....

After graduating from law school, she started working there as an associate attorney for one of the world's largest law firms.

She continues: "Although representing the Fortune 500 companies of the world was an interesting experience, I decided to leave that 'glamorous' life." Instead, she has founded the Legal Rights Institute so that she can concentrate on civil and human rights. The group has been spreading its message online and organizing demonstrations in Europe. Working with a wide range of American and international groups and individuals, Mazahery notes, "we have been able to bring international attention to obtain stays of execution and new trials for a number of women and girls who were sentenced to death for having been raped, for allegedly committing the crime of adultery and for engaging in 'acts incompatible with chastity.' "

Involvement with The [International Campaign Against Honour Killings][3] and role in the case of Malak Ghorbani -- July 2006'[4] Copy of petition drafted by Mazahery to stop the stoning execution of a woman in Iran and accompanying letter.

This is how the organization describes Lily Mazahery:

Ms. Lily Mazahery is a Persian-American attorney, and the founder and president of the Washington, D.C. based Legal Rights Institute. Ms. Mazahery is an active advocate of the human rights of women around the world and an outspoken opponent of laws that serve to oppress women in the name of religion. Ms. Mazahery provides expert commentary on Iranian and Islamic laws, as well as human rights violations in Islamic societies. She has testified before the U.S. Congress on the condition of women and children in Iran under the Islamic regime, and has described the atrocities to which women are subjected under the Sharia legal system, such as public hanging, public stoning, and temporary marriages. [emphasis added]


Activism To Abolish Stoning Sentences -- December 2006[5]


Efforts to Save Iranian Mother of 2 from Execution by Stoning -- News Article published in August 2006[6]


Adding to the voices urging Shahroudi to lift the stoning order, the San Francisco Board of Supervisors this week unanimously passed a resolution urging the U.S. State Department to condemn the impending execution by stoning of two Iranian women, Ghorbany and Ashraf Kolhari.

Supervisor Ross Mirkarimi, an Iranian-American, introduced the resolution and brought it to a vote August 15.

Lily Mazahery, president of the Legal Rights Institute in Washington, D.C., had the lead role in drafting the San Francisco resolution, telling WND: "Malak is receiving the penalty of death for having committed 'adultery,' which, under the Sharia legal system includes any type of intimate relationship between a girl/woman and a man to whom she is not permanently or temporarily married. Such a relationship does not necessarily mean a sexual relationship. Further, charges of adultery are routinely issued to women/girls who have been raped, and they are sentenced to death."

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The Islamic regime has officially stayed her execution until a new trial is conducted. Mazahery holds little hope for re-examination of the case, and she intends to put intense international pressure on Shahroudi. She told WND the Islamic regime tries to silence the objections of the international human rights lawyers and organizations by initially caving in and granting a stay of execution until a new trial is set.

"The Islamic regime has been known to say one thing and do exactly the opposite," Mazahery said. "It is still quite possible that the Islamic regime will schedule a rush sham trial and re-issue the same sentence before we have a chance to take the appropriate legal actions. It is also possible that even with a new trial, Ghorbany would still receive the same sentence or be sentenced to death by public hanging instead."

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"In 99 percent of these cases," Mazahery said, "the accused women have received no legal representation, and because, under the Sharia legal system their testimony is at best worth only half the value of the testimony of men, their so-called 'trials' last only a few minutes – after which they are immediately sentenced."

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Her petition to save Ghorbany's life is rapidly circulating online with more than 9,847 signatures.

"Let us all express our outrage to prevent these barbaric executions," Mazahery said. "Let us – all of us – take steps to ensure that no innocent woman will ever feel a rope around her neck or any stones launched at her helpless body by the hands of her own peers."

Mazahery translated a message written in Farsi from Ghorbany, which said: "I am not guilty of a crime. I have only committed an act that is the natural right of every human."

A petition to save Malak Ghorbany's life and contact information for Ayatollah Shahroudi are available here.

The international pressure initiated by Mazahery ultimately led to a stay of execution and freedom for Malak Ghorbany.


Mazahery role in California law makers' objection to stoning deaths in Iran and letter sent to the State Dept. -- August 2006[7]

At the San Francisco Board of Supervisors' meeting today, Supervisor Ross Mirkarimi, an all-around good guy and veteran progressive advocate who just happens to be Iranian American, introduced this resolution for consideration by his colleagues.

The supervisors now have one week to weigh the merits of it, and the resolution will come up for debate and vote at the next full board meeting, August 15. If you live in San Francisco, contact your supervisor and ask him or her to vote for this crucial resolution.

For people who don't reside here, please ask your local city council or state and federal elected officials to pass similar resolutions, or lobby them to issue statements calling on the U.S. State Department to immediately deplore the potential female stonings and other pending executions in Iran. I wish to call everyone's attention to the efforts of Ms. Lily Mazahery, an Iranian American lawyer advocating to save the lives of women in Iran facing death by stoning.[emphasis added]


Ms. Mazahery has launched a [web site about these women], and has also interviewed the lawyer forAshraf Kolhari, and the transcript of their talk is [posted here].

Excerpts from the resolution:

WHEREAS, On July 22, 2006, the Iranian Embassy in France announced that Malak Ghorbany's case is being re-evaluated and her original sentence is expected to be revised; and

WHEREAS, That the Iranian government is reconsidering Ghorbany's case because of international pressure has proven that symbolic statements such as this resolution can have a concrete impact; now, therefore, be it

RESOLVED, That the Board of Supervisors of the City and County of San Francisco urges the U.S. State Department to issue a strong condemnation against the Islamic Republic of Iran for its practices of civil and human rights abuses, executions of minors, homosexuals and adulterers, and executions by the barbaric and violent means of public stoning; and, be it

Petrelis goes on to acknowledge the key persons involved:

Many thanks to Lily Mazahery, who helped draft the resolution, Ross Mirkarimi, the other Supervisors, the many City Hall staffers and the Mayor, all of whom have expended tremendous political capital and energy on behalf of ending allexecutions in Iran and the USA. Let this resolution from San Francisco be the first of many across the land.


The resolution was approved UNANIMOUSLY shortly thereafter.

Activism Against Execution of Minors

Death Penalty News Country Report: "IRAN: Teenage Artist on Death Row in Iran Asks World for Help ---- The 20-year old death row female inmate weighs 75 pounds and has been banned from all artwork."[8]

Lily Mazahery who is leading the fight to free the woman from the clutches of her death sentence, says that the struggle for the young woman has been anything but fair or honest. "With complete disregard for its obligations under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the Convention on the Rights of the Child, and despite overwhelming evidence of Delara's innocence, as well as the teenager's repeated denials about having had any role in the commission of the crime, a court in the city of Rasht found the girl-child guilty of murder based solely on her initial claim of responsibility." Since that ruling Mazahery says, the regime has repeatedly demonstrated patent disregard for its promises to the international community and to the rights of Iranian children, by upholding Delara's death sentence.

People waging a fight against the Iranian government over the death sentence of the young woman like Lily Mazahery, say the silent screams of innocent girls like Delara must be acknowledged by each and every one of us. "We MUST express our outrage, voice our anger, and show our support to those who can not speak for themselves. Anything less would be less than human." She is asking people to express their outrage and stand up for the rights of this girl-child who can not stand up for herself by signing the petition to save Delera's life. That petition can be found here: petitiononline.com Silence in this case Lily Mazahery says, will serve a bitter reinforcement of Delara's death sentence.


Mazahery is registered as an Expert on issues related to the Islamic Republic of Iran and has been invited to speak as such for years in some of the most respected institutions and alongside other remarkable individuals with extraordinary achievements. Here is an example http://www.theisraelproject.org/site/c.hsJPK0PIJpH/b.672631/apps/s/content.asp?ct=5935289 from the Israel Project: "A Closer Look at Iran's Foreign and Domestic Policies and Its Nuclear Program"

Here's another one: Keynote speaker at the Iran Freedom Concert for two consecutive years (2007 and 2008)[9]

I could go on forever with examples, cites, and sources. And that is exactly why Shayan's claims are so absurd that one can not help but laugh at how stupid he thinks people are to actually believe his vindictive assertions.

The Harvard Speech, testimony in the U.S. Congress, countless TV, radio, and published interviews, numerous articles written by Mazahery herself, God knows how many speeches and lectures and on and on and Shayan has the nerve to make the kind of ridiculous statements that he does about someone who needs little introduction as a key figure in the area of internatitonal human rights activism and legal expertise. Give us a break Shayan. You're not fooling anyone with this inexcusable attempt at vandalism and disruption of this page. Take your issues somewhere else where you would not be embarrassing yourself like this.--Vistaboy99 (talk) 00:57, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Shayan7 -- The Truth is what it is, even if you do not like it to be. Please stop your destructive and inappropriate actions.[edit]

Shayan7, I have no doubt whatsoever that you have been well aware of Lily Mazahery's distinguished work as a prominent lawyer, a brilliant public speaker, a long-time and tireless human rights advocate who has devoted her life to fighting for the rights of women, minorities, the oppressed, and disenfranchised individuals in the U.S. and abroad. Her efforts have been rewarded with unprecedented success, such as in the cases of Malak Ghorbany, Reza Alinejad, Manouchehr Mohammadi, and Dr. Hamidi to list a few. Everyone from the highest governmental officials to ordinary people have noted and praised her remarkable work. Yet, for reasons that appear extremely childish, vindictive, and personal, you are attempting to discredit someone who is a shining star in the Iranian-American and many other communities. Lily Mazahery was an established figure with an impressive and distinguished resume when you (errr...sorry, meant to say Ahmad Batebi for whom you have become a one-man cheerleading squad) were spending time in jail. Whereas Ahmad Batebi's claim to so-called fame is an accident based entirely on a photograph, Lily Mazahery's record is one of years of education and study in some of the world's greatest institutions, activism in various social, political, and cultural fields, and professional experience that includes representing some of the world's most prestigious businesses such as Pepsi, Dell, Time Warner, Texas Instruments, Nextel and the like. In fact, when the Batebis of this world were going to jail, Lily Mazahery had already earned her Juris Doctor and was practicing law at one of the largest and most prestigious law firms in the world.

Dear boy, for the Lily Mazaherys of this world the things and people that you appear to view as the end-all be-alls of life are mere footnotes. Ahmad Batebi is as significant in the life of someone like Lily Mazahery as is last week's newspaper.

The world is far greater than your limited and tainted view. Until you rid yourself of the anamosity and venom that have clearly consumed you and altered your ability to view the world and the people in it in an objective, tolerant, and civilized fashion, you can not grow as a human being. Your bitterness and jealousy will only feed itself to your ultimate destruction. So instead of spending all of your time on negative acts that are ultimately meaningless and will only harm you in the process, such as your continued attacks on Lily Mazahery and your insistance on spreading fabricated information and falsehoods, try being positive, supportive, kind. You will be amazed by the results ... and the administrators of this site will thank you for it!--Autoplay91 (talk) 06:18, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Blanket civility warning[edit]

After reviewing this entire talk page, I am disappointed in the tone taken by a number of editors who have posted here. Please take a moment and review WP:CIVIL. From this point forward, no matter how emotional you feel about the subject of this article, please keep the tone here civil and professional. Those editors suggesting that this article be deleted should make themselves familiar with WP:BIO. That, and more broadly WP:N is the only basis on which to evaluate this article's inclusion in the encyclopedia. May your editing be wise, and your time here enjoyable. AKRadeckiSpeaketh 19:32, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Wrong info[edit]

This sentence is wrong in the entry:

In 2008 she helped Iranian dissident Ahmad Batebi escape from Iran and obtain asylum in the United States.[8] Mazahery helped Batebi to come to US, the Kurdish party helped Batebi to scape from Iran; Batebis has described that in his official webiste: http://ahmadbatebi.us/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&view=book&id=1&Itemid=59&lang=ba

and complained about wrong information about him on Wiki. I think Wiki should follow the original source. Thanks. --Shayan7 13:24, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Please stop using original source information that lacks a neutral point of view.--Joaj (talk) 15:25, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
  • I find the insistence on making sure that this web link somehow gets posted somewhere on Wikipedia rather questionable. Also, Batebi, you, me, whoever, can describe events in one form on day X and entirely another form on day Y, which seems to be the case here. That is why using original source is problematic as it can be changed frequently, biased towards the particular point of view that the source wishes to convey at a given time, and creates conflict of interest issues. Wiki's rule is in fact the opposite of what you have suggested and insist on doing (i.e. deleting information that Batebi has decided he no longer wants and replacing that information, which has numerous sources and cites, with original source content that can not be independently verified or trusted.)--Autoplay91 (talk) 19:15, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Not that it makes any difference in Lily Mazahery's notability and significance as a whole, since Batebi is only one case among hundreds in Mazahery's life, I just wanted to provide this information to make the point that Batebi has changed his story and is now attempting to discredit someone who, based on his own admission, played a significant role in his life, as well to counter Shayan7's on going misinformation:

  • Amiri, Nooshabeh (July 8, 2008). "[The Story of the Great Escape: Fleeing Iran in Interview with Ahmad Batebi]" (in English). "At the intelligence office in Iraq, we told them that we were linked to the ‎Democratic Party. They sent us to a different bureau. Then the Democratic Party vehicles ‎arrived and they took us to Kooe. This is the headquarters of the Democratic Party. They ‎provided me with a house to hide in. I stayed there and did not leave it. Then on my ‎request and that of my attorney in the US, they took me to the UN office in the town of ‎Arbil'. Fortunately, the official there knew of me. They processed my paper work very ‎rapidly and asked me where I wanted to go. I did not have a specific place in mind. I had ‎remained in contact with some of my friends through email and had told them that I had ‎been forced to leave the country. They suggested three places: France, Canada and the ‎US. They felt these places were the best for remaining active. So I named these countries ‎to the UN person. At the same time, my US attorney, Lili Mazaheri (sp) was following my ‎case until[10]
  • Shane, Scott; Michael Gordon (July 13, 2008). "A dissident's epic escape from Iran to the U.S." (in English). On a Yahoo chat site, on March 13, Batebi contacted Mazahery, the lawyer, who he knew had helped other Iranians get into the United States. At the same time, through a connection made in prison, Batebi sought help from the underground Kurdish Democratic Party of Iran, which soon directed him to Argentine Square in Tehran. [11]
  • "Silent No More" (in English). "[Batebi] is cagey about how exactly he escaped." (The Economist). July 10, 2008.[12]
  • The Story of The Big Escape, Interview with Ahmad Batebi about his escape from Iran and resettlement in the U.S. (in Farsi)By Nooshabeh Amiri, Rooz Online, July 7, 2008.

بالاخره به خواست خودم و وکیلم در ‏آمریکا از آنها خواستم مرا به دفتر سازمان ملل در اربیل معرفی کنند"."

از این طرف ‏هم وکیلم، خانم لیلی مظاهری، پیگیری کرد تا اینکه بعد از دو سه ماه...‏

مسئولین سازمان ملل در عراق تصمیم گرفتند مرا هر چه زودتر از عراق خارج کنند وبه ‏سوئد بفرستند.اما قبل از اینکه این اتفاق بیفتد خانم لیلی مظاهری، وکیل من در آمریکا پذیرش آمریکا را ‏گرفت و من به اتریش رفتم و از آنجا به آمریکا.

  • The Epic Escape of A Political Activist from Iran to the United States (in Farsi), BBC News, July 14, 2008

هرالد تریبون توضیح می دهد که لیلی مظاهری، وکیل ایرانی تبار ساکن آمریکا، به آقای باطبی برای سکونت در آمریکا کمک می کند.

روز 13 مارس، احمد باطبی با استفاده از چت یاهو با خانم لیلی مظاهری، وکیل ایرانی که به تعداد دیگری از ایرانیان برای ورود به آمریکا کمک کرده بود، تماس گرفت و همزمان، از طریق رابطی که در زندان با او آشنا شده بود، با فعالان حزب دموکرات کردستان تماس برقرار کرد و ترتیب قرار ملاقاتی در میدان آرژانتین تهران گذاشته شد.

This, of course, is not an exhaustive list by any means. Also, it does not include the numerous TV and radio interviews in which Batebi had explained Mazahery's role in his escape and life, which, for whatever reason, he is now trying to hide. This is why using original source materials, particularly from a person's personal website, as Shayan7 has suggested we should do, can be problematic. Batebi has changed the "facts" of his life several times by now, and, quite frankly, has created a significant credibility issue for himself.

But as I stated at the beginning of this section, Mazahery's notability, prominence, and significance is not about this. She has a long track record that stands on its own. In fact, in my opinion, it is this track record and proven credibility and influence that enables someone like her, at such a young age, to do the kind of things that she does. She succeeds in getting things done that others try but fail to accomplish for whatever reason. This means that Mazahery is one of the most significant figures in Batebi's life and the most influential aspect of his escape and resettlement in the U.S., but Batebi does not have the same role in Mazahery's life. --Autoplay91 (talk) 15:15, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Why can't this page and may others be editted?[edit]

I hope thid doesn't mean that the Islamic Republic has/is manipulating these pages too. It sure smells fishy from where I'm standing.--TheCaucus (talk) 00:27, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely not. This page is protected because someone abusing multiple accounts was causing problems. Articles about living people are treated very carefully around here. If you have some constructive material to add, feel free to post it, along with supporting references, here on the talk page. AKRadeckiSpeaketh 00:59, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Recent appearances in the media[edit]

After following Ms Mazahery's participation in recent Twitter conversations and a brief personal exchange with her, I offered to help update this article. However, I'm a little over my head. I apologize if I'm committing faux pas in my formatting, or if I'm not following customs. I have read the relevant guidelines, but my previous edits have not been to semiprotected entries, and I'm new at talk pages. Mea culpas in advance.

I assume these citations should appear in the "Political Activism" section:

Channel 4 TV appearance with Jon Snow, Channel 4 News, Britain, reported by The First Post: "If [Mousavi] is elected president, he will carry out what he sees as the vision of Khomeini," she warned. - Interview with Jon Snow on Channel 4 News, Britain http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/49081,news,iran-election-now-come-the-caveats-mahmoud-ahmadinejad-won-election-mousavi-no-reformer

Another First Post reference to the same TV appearance: "According to the US-based human rights lawyer Lily Mazahery, speaking this week on Channel 4 News, many of the young demonstrators seen on the streets of Tehran want reforms that are way beyond Mousavi's ambitions." http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/49246,news,iran-the-key-players-and-where-they-stand-ahmadinejad-mousavi-khamenei-rafsanjani )

Tweet quoted in Norwegian journal "Insignificances," May 1, 2009: "LilyMazahery @DelaraDarabi was hanged to death by the terrorist government of Iran today." http://insignificances.com/?p=2110 )

Quoted alongside reliable Iranian Twitterers at Huffington Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/20/iran-election-live-bloggi_n_218402.html )

Quoted re: Iranian government monitoring of online media at Washington Times: "There are so many people using text messaging and Twitter," said Lily Mazahery, a U.S.-based lawyer who represents Iranian dissidents. "It might be impossible to monitor everybody, but they are trying. They are likely monitoring key individuals. I think they are trying and I don't know how well they are succeeding." http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/20/iran-has-tech-to-track-tweets-texts/

Noteon (talk) 19:31, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

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Does the lack of response since June mean there's something else I need to do before this information is considered for incorporation into the main entry? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.167.141 (talk) 01:18, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, that was me. Noteon (talk) 18:07, 8 August 2009 (UTC)


This page should be removed from the 'Lawyers by Type' Category[edit]

The page for this person is listed under Lawyers by type category, even though that makes no sense whatsoever. She is listed among pages like District Attorney and Criminal defense lawyer. She is not a type of lawyer, she is a lawyer. She is quite clearly not meant to be on that page, and it stands out. Therefore, I request that someone remove this page from the Lawyers by type category. Unatna (talk) 16:44, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

What is the reason for the "Written like an autobiography/advertisement tags on this page?[edit]

I just looked at this article, and it seems fine to me--not to be written like an autobiography or an advertisement at all. I'm a new wikipedian, so I don't know what the policy on when these tags should be removed are--could someone with more wikipedia experience look into this and figure out why these tags are here? I'm having trouble understanding it from the long conversation above on the talk page. Noeton--what you want to do above looks really reasonable to me. I'd say go for improving the article as you see best fit, as per the Wikipedia:Be bold policy CordeliaNaismith (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:25, 14 November 2009 (UTC).

I agree with CordeliaNaismithI have looked at many other pages of similar persons and they are written like this one and there are no issues with those. --LabTech 17:14, 28 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lablablab (talkcontribs)

Ahmadbatebi was not treated fairly here[edit]

Joaj, Vistaboy, Manime and Autoplay, who disparage Batebi and his edits here, are all sockpuppets of the same user and are now banned. This Talk page contains their comments, which are clearly uncivil. They also wrote uncivil comments to Ahmadbatebi on his talk page. The administrators have blocked User:Ahmadbatebi, when perhaps they should have assumed good faith and given clear guidance about how he could adhere to WP policies. For example, if he is really Ahmad Batebi then he edited his own biography. His ignorance of WP policy regarding writing one's own biography is forgivable, in my opinion, given that he was a new WP user at the time. If he is indeed Ahmad Batebi, he would also be a recent immigrant to the English-speaking world and his grasp of English may be imperfect. BTW, editing your own biography is not against WP policy so long as you adhere to NPOV and BLP policies like every other editor is expected to. Ahmadbatebi's response to the warning was "I don't understand." No one explained the policies to him.

Please leave a supportive message here and on Batebi's talk page if you agree, to show WP community solidarity and to let him know that we do not condone injustice. Batebi is a former Iranian political prisoner granted asylum in the U.S. Since this is an article with strong political overtones, I am concerned there is more than meets the eye regarding the Joaj sockpuppets. --AFriedman (talk) 08:35, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Legal Rights Institute[edit]

I would like to know why the reference to the legal rights institute was removed. Ms. Mazahery is the president of the Legal Rights Institute and if I'm not mistaken that fact was noted on this page for a long time. The page for the Legal Rights Institute is http://www.legalrightsinstitute.org/ and the organization's articles of incorporation are on file in Delaware. Bonfires2 (talk) 22:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Controversy[edit]

I removed the entire "Controversy" section because of the Wikipedia policy that poorly sourced or potentially libelous material must be removed immediately.

If I misinterpreted this policy, please let me know. I'm not entirely comfortable having done so, but it does seem clear that the section was both.

Noteon (talk) 23:00, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

I returned the "Controversy" section. It is not poorly sourced. It is sourced to the actual complaint and the section accurately states that the "complaint alleges." It is, therefore, not libelous since it makes no false assertion of fact. The fact that she is potentially being disbarred for misrepresenting and defrauding Batebi (for whom her representation is otherwise lauded in the wiki page) is significant. Removing this section would otherwise leave a false characterization of Mazahery.

IranianTruth (talk) 23:00, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I have modified the "Controversy" section to reflect that Mazahery has denied the allegations by the DC Bar. Any discussion regarding evidence that she has presented, or the context of those arguments should be sourced pursuant to Wikipedia policy.

IranianTruth (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:30, 6 July 2011 (UTC).

Copies of pleadings in a pending case are a very poor source, however they appear to be genuine and are sufficient to support the information that there are pending ethics charges and the basis for them. The subject remains a member in good standing of the D.C. Bar as can be shown by search for her name at http://www.dcbar.org/for_lawyers/ethics/discipline/discipline01.cfm Note: "Disciplinary history is available from 1979 to the present and updated as information is received from the Office of Bar Counsel and Board on Professional Responsibility. For pending matters, not yet included here, contact those offices directly." with links to those offices. User:Fred Bauder Talk 03:24, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Lily Mazahery for deletion[edit]

The individual is not an expert in her field and has since been suspended from practicing law. Her importance is of little value to warrant inclusion.

I second the nomination. The subjects disciplinary record is accurate and can be found here: http://www.dcbar.org/for_lawyers/ethics/discipline/discipline02.cfm?barNumber=%26%2CKM%2D%2B%5C%5B%28%0A. There is no reason to remove this information since it is reliable and properly sourced. To the extent the disciplinary record is removed (which is the source of the subject's notoriety), than the entire page should be removed as the subject becomes just another lawyer without any special justification for inclusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.117.158.247 (talk) 20:59, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

I also support deletion of this page. The subject is not notorious. The disciplinary record clearly suggests that she misrepresented her clients and committed a variety of other offenses. Apart from that, she's not an expert in any field or industry that would warrant her inclusion on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kabirat (talkcontribs) 11:00, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Lily Mazahery/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Length is coming along nicely, enough for Start class or better, it has an infobox and a photo. The references section has been cleaned up quite a bit, the footnotes look much better now. Leofric1 (talk) 04:16, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

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