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Caeruleus_pungens (talk · contribs) This user has declared a connection. (I know Lisa & others in the field. I saw that her page had issues. I'm attempting to help clear some of them up. Right now, I'm finding citations for things and making some small changes. I expect to request edits for significant changes soon.Caeruleus pungens (talk) 00:31, 22 October 2017 (UTC))[reply]
Rz7dd4 (talk · contribs) This user has contributed to the article. This user has declared a connection. (COI declared here)

COI[edit]

As disclosed today in several entries at Commons:Undeletion requests, User:Rz7dd4 appears to have a close relationship with the author which puts him or her in violation of WP:COI.. Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 11:24, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Jim.now I think I have heard it all! The author asked me to create her page. I do not necessarily agree with her views, and neither do we have a close relationship. Do you get out a lot? — Rz7dd4 (talk) 00:31, 19 February 2017 (UTC) [reply]

Indeed, we live on different contents. Would be difficult to be "close" under these conditions. Respectable publishers (Oxford, Brill, University presses...) have published these books, so they have paid for the use of photos and hold all necessary legal documentation. Since when do such presses publish books yet not hold rights to the materials on the front cover? Please permit me have a page on wiki, book covers included, just as you allow other popular and contemporary scholars and authors. Dr. Kemmerer 00:36, 19 February 2017 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.127.60.72 (talk)

Yep Jim, you are clearly insane. The rights have been given to the author. I have asked her for the original permissions, and she is looking them out. The book covers exist on Amazon and elsewhere. The pictures (i.e. the book covers) are clearly composite, intended to go out to the general public. Each sale of the book sends royalties to the various interested parties. If it were an individual photo, yes, of course you would be right. However, it is not! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rz7dd4 (talk • contribs) 00:51, 19 February 2017 (UTC) [reply]

Rz7dd4 (talk) 01:06, 19 February 2017 (UTC) [reply]

BLP[edit]

{{BLP noticeboard}} I asked for help from the noticeboard to keep in compliance with COI. Caeruleus pungens (talk) 20:51, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've copied the meat of your request from that page below, so that it will be seen by those who edit this page (including, we can hope, the people who added the tags.)

While I'm not the person the article is about, I know the person and I don't want to violate WP:COI by making major changes to the article.

I would like to help improve the article by resolving the issues mentioned at the top. I'm looking for sources for some of the things mentioned in the article to resolve the primary source issue. I don't think I can resolve the close connection issue, and so I've come here for some assistance.

Could someone please make some suggestions on the talk page about what the article needs to resolve the issues? I'd really appreciate it.

Caeruleus pungens (talk) 20:49, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Taking more of a look at this article, it has real sourcing problems, although I don't think that "primary sources" makes the top of the list. In its current state, a large portion of the article is quite simply unsourced. There are three listed sources which don't cover most of the article, and of those three, one is (yes) a primary source, and a second is apparently one of the subject's publishers, and thus not a third party. So there is a real lack of the sort of reliable third-party secondary sources that we like to rely on.

The lack of sourcing raises concerns not only about the sourcing itself, but about whether the subject of the article is sufficiently notable to have a Wikipedia page, as reliable third-party secondary sources discussing a topic is one of the key indicators of notability. However, notability for academics has its own guidelines, ones that I'm not I'm not sufficiently experienced in navigating to judge on.

As always when you have a conflict of interest here, the best practice is for you to suggest specific changes here on the Talk page, rather than editing the article itself. --Nat Gertler (talk) 22:00, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I saw this on BLPN. Agree that notability is nettlesome here but apparently the subject has a long list of publications. What would be helpful is more independent sourcing. Coretheapple (talk) 14:54, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

More sources to the notability of the word "anymal": ^[1] Citation to "anymal" article in this journal article. ^[2] ^[3] Gilmour discusses the definition of anymal and why his use of animal might be potentially misleading.

Reviews of her work. I think the notability guidelines said reviews are helpful in terms of meeting them. ^[4] ^[5] ^[6] Caeruleus pungens (talk) 00:24, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ DeMello, Margo (2012). Animals and Society: An Introduction to Human-Animal Studies. Columbia University Press. p. 16. ISBN 978-0231152952. Retrieved 22 October 2017.
^ Wilkie, Rhoda (2013). "Multispecies Scholarship and Encounters: Changing Assumptions at the Human-Animal Nexus". Sociology. 49 (2). {{cite journal}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help)
^ Gilmour, Michael J. (2014). Eden's Other Residents: The Bible and Animals. Cascade Books. p. 2. ISBN 978-1610973328. Retrieved 23 October 2017.
^ Gilmour, Michael J. (2013). "Review of Kemmerer, Animals and World Religions". Philosophy in Review. XXXIII (2): 136. Retrieved 23 October 2017.
^ Blankenship, Sidney (2014). "Review of Animals and World REligions". BETWEEN THE SPECIES. 17 (1): 166. Retrieved 23 October 2017.
^ Balzer, Marjorie Mandelstam (January 2003). "Book Reviews". Religion. 43 (1). doi:10.1080/0048721X.2012.697832.

Of the three references you just gave for "anymal", the two that are online don't make much of a case, casting the term aside rather quickly. --Nat Gertler (talk) 15:13, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Conflict of interest[edit]

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Please also note that our Terms of Use state that "you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation." An editor who contributes as part of his or her paid employment is required to disclose that fact. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:13, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Should Animal Rights Navbox be part of the article? List of animal rights advocates[edit]

The Animal rights navbox does have a list of List of animal rights advocates of and this articles subject is mentioned there. I see that Justlettersandnumbers removed the Animal rights navbox saying that it didn't mention her. The list is so long that you can't see her name unless you click on more. I just wanted to bring this to the attention of Justlettersandnumbers and others.

Caeruleus pungens (talk) 21:17, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Caeruleus pungens, the template {{Animal rights}} does not mention this person. You can confirm that either by searching the wikitext for "Kemmerer", or by checking the very short list of pages here. There's some guidance on this common problem at WP:BIDIRECTIONAL. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:19, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I don't entirely understand, but I defer to your judgment. Caeruleus pungens (talk) 22:39, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

[1] DeMello, Margo (2012). Animals and Society: An Introduction to Human-Animal Studies. Columbia University Press. p. 16. ISBN 978-0231152952. Retrieved 22 October 2017.

[2] Wilkie, Rhoda (2013). "Multispecies Scholarship and Encounters: Changing Assumptions at the Human-Animal Nexus". Sociology. 49 (2). {{cite journal}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help)

[3] Gilmour, Michael J. (2014). Eden's Other Residents: The Bible and Animals. Cascade Books. p. 2. ISBN 978-1610973328. Retrieved 23 October 2017.

[4] Gilmour, Michael J. (2013). "Review of Kemmerer, Animals and World Religions". Philosophy in Review. XXXIII (2): 136. Retrieved 23 October 2017.

[5] Blankenship, Sidney (2014). "Review of Animals and World REligions". BETWEEN THE SPECIES. 17 (1): 166. Retrieved 23 October 2017.

[6] Balzer, Marjorie Mandelstam (January 2003). "Book Reviews". Religion. 43 (1). doi:10.1080/0048721X.2012.697832.

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