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The Society[edit]

The Alpha Delta Phi Fraternity and Alpha Delta Phi Society are legally distinct organizations that exist on different campuses. It is important to keep lists of their chapters separate for both scholarly and practical purposes. Their governance and finances are separate, their practices have sharply diverged (the Society has many younger chapters and so have a more centralized national organization to support them, while the Fraternity's chapters are larger and fiercely independent of their national organization). As such, any external study will be aided by reviewing the lists of chapters separately. From a practical perspective, neither the Fraternity nor the Society wishes to see their chapters listed in a single table. They recruit from different pools of students, and keeping disambiguated from one another is not easy.

Please allow these lists to remain separate.

Yours sincerely, Peter Goldstein, Brown 2008, President of Alpha Delta Phi Society national organization Geterpoldstein (talk) 02:37, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Geterpoldstein Thank you for starting the discussion here. Given the unique relationship between ADPhi Fraternity and ADPhi Society, I think a discussion would be useful. I personally think that the decision of Rublamb to remove the chapters of ADPhi Society is something that makes sense to discuss/ I personally think that they should be here in a separate table (second choice for me would be a separate page) , however an explanation at the beginning of the page with the information from the Fraternity-Society Agreement of 1992 would make sense. I'll mention this at WT:FRAT for more to chime in with ideas.Naraht (talk) 04:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I discussed this with JAX MN when I removed the Society's chapters from this article as he was also concerned about my choice. I did not merge the lists, I removed the Society's list, only leaving the chapters that pre-dated the split and noting their transfer and date. My intention was/is to create an article for the Society, with its history and chapters. (Sorry I forgot to follow up) I came to this conclusion in part because there are more chapters of the Society that were created since the split than ever overlapped between the two organizations. Also, the Society's website clearly states that they were not the same organization. I will circle back to this project later today. I think it is possible for the text to explain how they relate, but I do think the Society is worthy of its own article. A "see also" note can link the articles. But if the majority think they should stay together, I will not bother.Rublamb (talk) 13:30, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Rublamb I appreciate the clarification! Please do go ahead with creating a separate article for ΑΔΦ Society. We'll look forward to enriching it with detail. We tried separating them some 10 years ago, if I remember correctly, and it was rejected. I will add: if you are really interested and want additional sources to work from, we can furnish those. Geterpoldstein (talk) 17:13, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is now a separate article! Rublamb (talk) 19:24, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It would help with disambiguation for every page that is only about the Alpha Delta Phi Fraternity or The Alpha Delta Phi Society to include the word "Fraternity" or "Society" in its title (so this page should be "List of Alpha Delta Phi Fraternity chapters") - an approach which is consistent with the agreement between the two organizations requiring each to consistently use these identifiers. StevenHB (talk) 17:13, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

additional date information from ADPhi[edit]

Jax MN See https://archive.org/details/cataloguealphad04phigoog/page/n32/mode/2up . Note some dates are pretty different, for example, Miami chapter is 1835 currently, but the ADPhi Catalogue says the chapters was initiated in October of 1833, and first announced meeting was in Fall of 1836 (basically three years later) Naraht (talk) 18:29, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

https://books.google.com/books?id=wCdDAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA1890&lpg=PA1890 goes all the way until 1922, so better than the first which goes to 1915.Naraht (talk) 20:25, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Naraht Yep. I don't know how to square that one. Jax MN (talk) 05:51, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]