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Politicians[edit]

A few more can be added: Terri Sewell, Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, Linda Thompson, Jennifer Carroll, and Frederica Wilson.

Also, Veronica Owens - Former Member of Parliament, Bahamas — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.204.118.34 (talk) 22:34, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Citing[edit]

Citing I do not know ho w to cite, but all of the people I added came from the honorary section of the Past is ProlougeLivelyIvy1908 20:46, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Sections We need an education section. I am a Wiki novice, so I don't know who to do that.LivelyIvy1908 20:46, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I am using PEARLS of Service, as well as the website. I will add one later, just too busy right now. Miranda 21:56, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Added some. Miranda 02:31, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Also, I need to add references to the founders. I will do that at a later date, when I create the founders pages. Miranda 22:11, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Most of the honorary members are listed on the AKA website, which I placed as a citation. CITE is a good way to learn how to cite sources. Thanks for your help. Miranda 00:26, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I am not a great Wiki-er like you, but I will try to improve on the ones I add. Thanks. Also....I am sooo jealous I don't have pearls of Wisdom yet. :-( LivelyIvy1908 17:48, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Not that expensive. I am borrowing it from a friend. She said it was $50.00, and you can buy it from the National Office. Miranda 22:50, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I am going to wait until my graduation money comes rolling in to purchase it.  ;-)LivelyIvy1908 00:12, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Or, try your local library. Miranda 09:14, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Note[edit]

I am just going to put a couple more people on the health/sci. front, as well as the business aspect. I think the list looks well enough to pass featured. For the chapters that we don't know the initiates, we can always put "unknown". Miranda 03:15, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done with it. Miranda 09:18, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I really love the page! It is great!! However I am really really opposed to the song being on here. I know it is in Ross' book and the hymn is a song that Sorors are allowed to sing in public. Can we find something else that is suitable. Please...Pretty Please!LivelyIvy1908 17:03, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

The first poem in this site is used an various AKA chapter sites: http://www.student.richmond.edu/~uraka1908/poems.htm If you don't like this one, this page does not have to have a poem. Please. Thank you very much. I am not trying to be a pain in the rearLivelyIvy1908 17:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I understood why you reverted the song because the song is a part of the sorority, and non-members of the sorority can sing the song if the song's text was posted on Wikipedia. Miranda 21:41, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much for understanding. I was afraid people would think I was owning this project (which I am not). I know that they are printed in the source you listed (most of the D9's are there), but I would rather that access to them to not be as easy. Aren't you an Alpha? Not that it maters. I was just asking.LivelyIvy1908 06:06, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

No, I am not an AKA. I am thinking of restoring the content, since Wikipedia is not censored. I mean, the song is sung at public occasions, and people can write the text of the words down or use a recorder, or record a video of people singing on YouTube. I mean, I will ask at F&S, for more consensus. I won't restore it yet. Miranda 06:38, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I meant Alpha Phi ALpha. WHat about Phenomenal Woman by Mya Angelo. Eventhough it is not exactly about AKA, but a lot of chapters have it on their sites and she is a member. There is another one that is about AKA and it is on most undergraduate websites; it is called "And God Said".http://www.uta.edu/studentorgs/aka/poems.htm I understand that Wikipedia is not censored, but if there is something more suitable, I don't see why it can not be used. You are right since it is a public song, but it is rare that it is sung in public. LivelyIvy1908 17:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Miranda is a girl's name, FYI. Thus, it would be impossible for me to belong in a fraternity. Why are you so against the song if it is made public by LR? Miranda 23:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I read something you wrote on a talk page (cant remeber) and I thought you were a guy. Maybe I had you confused with Ccson who is an Alpha. I know Miranda is a girl name, but as this is the internet you can choose any moniker you want. I do not think that ready access to the lyrics should be avaiable to any organization with closed membership. I guess I am confused as to why should everyone have access to the lyrics. As stated before I know they are printed in The D9, but there are other expressions that can be listed. I am sure you have (or at least have access to) the Ross book and the lyrics to the others are there as well, but what good are they without the melody and knowing the purpose behind it? (rethorical) I guess you could turn that around and say since they don't know the melody and the correct cadance then it should be fine that everyone knows. I guess I am protecting as most Sorors (especially neophytes) would. Also this is taken from 'Through the Years" http://www.geocities.com/alphaeta_aka/aka_women.htm . Also, did you not like my previous suggestions.LivelyIvy1908 04:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

How about we just stick to the poem that I first suggested? Miranda 05:01, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I figured you would like the quore from Parker's book, but leaving it as is; is fine with me.LivelyIvy1908 17:30, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Nah, I am leaving the original poem. Miranda 00:30, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Two comments[edit]

Miranda et al.: Great work! I have two comments: first and least of all, perhaps the talk page should have been archived instead of cleared; just a thought. Second, the poem that is this article's first section doesn't seem to be notable. Not that that inherently means it should not be in the article, it just means that someone like me asks why it's in the article. The page for Sigma Chi includes many pieces of Sigma Chi literature, but all of those are easily found on just about any Sigma Chi-related webpage. This poem I could only find on one page. Is there a piece of nationally/internationally recognized writing that could work as well? —ScouterSig 18:59, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

First, some sections of the talk page was a personal sandbox for me. Second, there is a national song, and I am working on it in my sandbox. Miranda 04:07, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Song is Yes check.svg Done. Miranda 05:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

For initiation chapter, would you mind modifying it to indicate initiation or current chapter? In some cases, members list current chapters on their bios, but not where they were initiated. This would allow more information about each person to be posted instead of 'unknown' 39aka94 (talk) 19:49, 13 December 2007 (UTC)39aka94

we want this to indicate the chapter were the person became a member of the organization. There are some cases where we don't know what chapter the person is associated, and some cases where the member would be inactive and not associated with any chapter. Once we know the "pledge/initiation/original'– we can update the article accordingly.--66.19.160.4 (talk) 19:43, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Challenges[edit]

some of the articles on the founding members have been challenged by another editor, and I have given some advice on Miranda's talk page [1] about what is likely to be the best course to follow. some of what I said there also applies to the documentation for the people on this list. DGG (talk) 04:59, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

as a positive suggestion, it might be a good idea to write at least stub articles on some of the members who are clearly notable and do not yet have them, such as the judges and ambassadors and college deans. DGG (talk) 05:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Only one member left for me to write. But, if you want to write some, be my guest. So to me, your suggestion is moot. Miranda 06:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Ella Fitzgerald[edit]

Please note that a photograph of Ella Fitzgerald appears alongside the "Singers & Musicians" table, but she is not listed as an AKA sister anywhere on the page. Off topic here, perhaps, but there should be a Wikipedia entry for Belva Davis (listed under "Television" here). She is the longest-tenured broadcaster currently working in the Bay Area -- more than fifty years, and still on the air. If nobody else tackles her entry, I'll at least get it started. BayRadioDJ (talk) 06:53, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. And, by all means, you can create the page. Miranda 07:13, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Alice Walker[edit]

I looked through your source and she clearly isn't on there. I really don't think she is one, unless it happened recently, however, honorary memberships for the most part are bestowed at Boule's. I really want to say she's a Delta, I heard that before from another Delta. She's not an AKAKnicksfan4ever (talk) 21:55, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately sometimes you can't depend on individual chapter websites for authentic informationKnicksfan4ever (talk) 21:58, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I meant to say verifiable source, not force in the notation (smile), would love to have her as a member, but unfortunately, she is not one. She would be noted on the national website especially with her many notable accomplishments.Knicksfan4ever (talk) 22:04, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Look on p. 299. PEARLS of SERVICE, and it lists her name. Also, AKA doesn't mention all famous members, just honorary. Miranda 22:08, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Will do, but I really don't think she is, but will get back to you. No, not on the public website, however, she would definitely be included on the public website with her notability.Knicksfan4ever (talk) 22:10, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


Did my research and she is an honorary AKA, she was first courted by the Delta's for honorary membership before deciding on AKA. She went to Spelman College for 2 years in the 60's, they did not have a chapter until 1979 and she is not on any record as being initiated at a graduate chapter, so please change her membership to honorary. Thanks. Again, glad you didn't decide to drop this project, I will help out as much as I can, when I can.Knicksfan4ever (talk) 15:18, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't say on the website about she being an honorary member. Miranda 16:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


I received this information from HQ, she hasn't been added yet, you can keep it as unknown if you like, she's definitely not on the records as a graduate member and she definitely was not initiated at a college chapter, the only other way to get membership is honorary. General Membership (aka Boule Member) are for those who were initiated undergrad or grad, but are no longer affiliated with a chapterKnicksfan4ever (talk) 18:08, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I changed her to honorary, she is listed in the 2007 directory as an honorary memberKnicksfan4ever (talk) 14:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

What sources are you using for this information? I've checked the national website as well as some regional websites and have not seen Alice Walker's name anywhere. Additionally, former National Historian, Dr. Gloria Harper Dickinson, created a website with numerous AKA authors http://dickinsg.intrasun.tcnj.edu/akaauthors2/HomeA-D.htm and she's not on there either. 39aka94 (talk) 17:34, 13 December 2007 (UTC)39aka94

I'm using the 2007 National Directory that all financial/active members have or can get access (one can be ordered) to17:46, 13 December 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Knicksfan4ever (talkcontribs)

Founders[edit]

Would like feed back on this. IMHO, I think the initiation chapter for the Original Group should be left blank or have Founder in that space, because they weren't "initiated", they created the chapter, initiation process, etc, but the Sophomore group were "initiated" into the chapter. For instance when a chapter is charted the charter members go through "initiation" via a grad chapter (i.e, Rho Mu at the University of Richmond), who were "initiated" via Upsilon Omega in 1994 (I was there), geez I feel oldKnicksfan4ever (talk) 19:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Following List of Alpha Phi Alpha brothers as a format. Miranda 14:19, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


I think that they should be changed as well, I was talking to a bro last night about it, he agreed that the founders of any organization didn't go through a MIP, so they should just be listed as founders. Up to you, you've worked so hard on this article, I'm not going to go in and just change anything anymore, going to suggest it to you first and get your feedback. I think it's the proper "wiki" to do. See I'm learning (smile) Knicksfan4ever (talk) 14:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


The sophomores were not 'initiated' either and are accepted as founders of the organization.

Also, the change from Founders to Founders and Incorporators adds needed clarity-thanks.39aka94 (talk) 17:26, 13 December 2007 (UTC)39aka94

In a sense they were, because the original group "added"/"initiated" them the next Spring through the process they created. However, the originals decided to include them as founders. ThanksKnicksfan4ever (talk) 19:53, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
If your reference is to the Sophomores being initiated, AKA history indicates that that clearly was not the case--they were 'added' in '08. If it is to the incorporators, they were initiated, but only one was initiated in Spring 09....

39aka94 (talk) 13:28, 14 December 2007 (UTC)39aka94

Yes, so technically none of them were "initiated" into the Alpha Chapter, therefore, they should not have an initiation chapter next to them since they are considered "founders" Knicksfan4ever 13:52, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

For Miranda--the Sophomores were not initiated in 1910, they were 'added' to the original group in Spring 1908. It may be confusing to some readers to see 'Sophomore of 1910' who will then assume they were initiated then, not graduating then. 39aka94 (talk) 14:04, 14 December 2007 (UTC)39aka94

Okay, let me change it. Miranda 14:41, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, I kind of mention it in the opening paragraph. Miranda 14:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, but many people will overlook the reading of the paragraphs and go straight to the chart. Also, the term "Sophomores of 1910" is referenced to Lawrence Ross and 'The Divine Nine' I know that you use the National Website for information frequently and if you check there, that term is not used.

205.222.248.31 (talk) 19:03, 14 December 2007 (UTC)39aka94

Okay, I will fix it. Miranda 19:24, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
If the "sophmores" weren't initiated, then you probably treat them like the original founders and remove "note initiated" from the Initiation Chapter column. Great Work!!--Ccson (talk) 05:39, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Ccson. Adding 'not initated' makes it cluttered. I thought the point of that section (chapter) was to show how/where they joined the Sorority. Although the Sophomores were invited to join without initation, the same can be said about the Founders not being initiated. The only difference is the Sophomores could have been, since the Sorority had been established. You can leave it as is though. This article is very nice.LivelyIvy1908 16:31, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

I created the original template and the purpose of the column is what Livelyivy1908 says, it's to show where they joined the group. I'm going to change the template to say "original chapter" and hope this removes editors from being confined within a box because of the column heading. Now someone is going to say "well honorary members don't have any chapter"–it's just a heading. here's hoping.--Ccson (talk) 19:58, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Categories[edit]

I'm going to add an aditional category for non-elected public officials, to separate them from politicians, if no one objects. Also, I think the "Other" category belongs at the bottom, so I will move it. 39aka94 (talk)39aka94

No, not really. Non-elected politicians belong into politicians. Miranda 22:35, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I see what you are doing. Thanks. Miranda 00:52, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Section headings[edit]

I've just changed all the section headings to use "sentence style" capitalization (as opposed to "book title style" — or whatever the official term is), to match our style guidelines. I haven't changed the wording of any of them, although I think they could use a little more standardization along these lines. In particular, some headings refer to people ("Singers and musicians"), others to topics (e.g., "Television"). It's a bit disconcerting, at least to me. - dcljr (talk) 11:31, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

The list is featured. And, I copied the style from List of Alpha Phi Alpha brothers. miranda 15:36, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Update New Honorary AKA's[edit]

Hi Miranda,

Since you have worked on this page so diligently, I wanted to let you update the newly initiated honorary AKA's. I'm having a blast at the celebration. Will send you photos via e-mail. Also, I'm getting my own advice column, should be interesting LOL! Take Care and Great Job on everything! Knicksfan4ever 23:08, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

This is the link: http://www.essence.com/essence/lifestyle/voices/0,16109,1822967,00.html

There was also a press release issued on Yesterday

I predicted that this would happen. :-) Cheers and enjoy. miranda 23:38, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

List needs some attention[edit]

I understand that this list is currently featured, but the FL standards are more exacting now and have changed a lot since 2007. I didn't want to take this directly to FLRC because the issues are minor and could easily be fixed here, but I wanted to make sure that they were noticed. I thought I'd leave a little informal peer review here on the talk page so that the concerns could be addressed in a more leisurely manner.

Comments
  • The lead is of sufficient length but doesn't summarize the list at all; it only talks about the sorority itself. More should be done to address the content of the list (number of members, most notable members, number of honorary vs. regular members, etc.).
  • Sortability would be a big plus. The name column should sort by last name, using the {{sortname}} template, and the chapter column should probably sort by the Greek alphabet. Notability and refs should remain unsortable.
  • I don't know why there's a navbox in the middle of the article. I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with it; it just struck me as odd on first view.
  • I'm not a big fan of all the whitespace on some of the tables, where the amount of images exceeds the length of the table. Perhaps some steps should be taken to reduce said whitespace.
  • The formatting of the notability column is extremely inconsistent, and this was the main issue that led me to comment here. All of the entries should follow the same formatting, meaning that the first letter should always be capitalized, all full sentences should end with punctuation and fragments should not, etc.
  • There are also a lot of "blacklinks"; what makes these people notable enough for inclusion in this list if they aren't notable enough for their own article?

Of course, these are just suggestions, but I'm trying to be helpful. If you have any questions about anything I've asked, I've watchlisted this page, so I'll be happy to respond here. Thanks. KV5 (TalkPhils) 14:07, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

First, the navigable box is for the sorority presidents. This will not be deleted. Second, are you using Alpha or Beta, because the formatting will be changed regardless of whitespace reduction and sortability. Third, there was a discussion regarding sorting members' names and chapters in the FLC back in 2007. Please show me the guideline where the list has to be sortable, because I have seen other lists on Wikipedia which are featured and not sortable. Fourth, regarding the blacklinks, I agree, these people need to be included in the encyclopedia. However, per living persons policy, notability, and other issues, have not allowed for the inclusion of said individuals. Yet, you are welcome to begin adding articles regarding these people. Also, have you looked at List of Alpha Phi Alpha brothers, because that is the format this article is based upon. You are most welcome to review that list as well. Cheers. miranda 21:38, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
I am using the original format; I wasn't a big fan of the beta. On the navbox, it seems strange to have it in the middle of the article; is there a rationale behind using it instead of a table, which would make sense considering the format of the rest of the list? As to the sorting, featured list criterion #4 states that featured lists are "easy to navigate through and includes, where helpful, section headings and table sort facilities" (emphasis mine). I never said it's required, but I believe it would be very helpful, per the criteria. These things do change from time to time. As I mentioned, these are just suggestions which would improve the list, as I happened upon it while looking at WP:CROWN. There's no need to be defensive; the perfect article doesn't exist. KV5 (TalkPhils) 23:30, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

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Michelle Obama Induction[edit]

I can not find any reference on the internet that indicates that Michelle Obama was inducted into Alpha Kappa Alpha. Only that she had accepted the invitation, with the condition that it was not an exclusive membership.--Bamyers99 (talk) 02:51, 5 January 2012 (UTC)