Talk:List of CJK fonts

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I'm removing for the time being the category "Pan-Unicode" from the list. This is because it's an inaccurate and arbitrary classification in the context of this article (and it even violates Wikipedia:No original research). Some problems off the top of my head:

  • Not all of the "Pan-Unicode" fonts listed are CJK fonts
  • Nor are they really "Pan-Unicode" in the sense that they cover most or all of Unicode
  • WenQuanYi Zen Hei and Micro Hei do have good coverage (they list impressive numbers on their site), but are listed simply as "Chinese"
  • No font containing Chinese characters can avoid choosing a particular style for han-unified characters, unless it mixes several styles; therefore the classification "Pan-Unicode" doesn't mean anything. Code2000, which was listed as "Pan-Unicode" must be listed as Chinese, Korean or Japanese, according to the style which it uses.

Rōnin (talk) 12:14, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

By the way, the same is also true of Gnu Unifont, if it's true that it contains Hanzi characters from WenQuanYi. It should be listed according to its chosen style of characters, if that's how it's done in this list. No font can have a "Pan-Unicode" character style, unless they've invented their own. Rōnin (talk) 12:26, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I've researched a little and used a little guesswork to try to put the fonts back in the correct categories. However, I can't find out what style of characters Code2000 uses, and I don't know if Bitstream Cyberbit supports Chinese characters at all. Rōnin (talk) 12:47, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't see the "pan-Unicode" is an original research. I can even give you refereces such as this page, Unicode#Fonts also gives some definition of it. But if you put something like GNU Unifont in the "Chinese" category, this does violate WP:No original research. It is definitely not true that GNU Unifont was designed for Chinese. The fonts, which are not targeted to a specific writing system and may want to "keep neutre" among these systems, exist for real, these are pan-Unicode font.
Pan-Unicode font is not categorically equal to Unicode font. A pan-Unicode font is a font which attempts to support the majority of Unicode's characters. An Unicode font is a font which contains a wide range of glyphs, but it may or may not intend to support the majority of Unicode's characters. You can assume "pan-Unicode font Unicode font". Wenquanyi Zen Hei is an Unicode font, but it's not very wise to consider it pan-Unicode. Most of the Pan-Unicode fonts are not very "good looking" such as GNU Unifont. This article (open it then click the "Pan-Unicode Fonts" tab) discusses that the pan-Unicode fonts become less and less useful due to the increasing number of Free and open-source Unicode fonts.
Most of pan-Unicode fonts are CJK fonts (if that is unclear, let's define "CJK font" as "computer fonts which cover (at least) most of the Chinese/Japanese/Korean characters"), if an Unicode or pan-Unicode font is listed in this article, it is a CJK font for sure.
Btw, this is not about the style, this is about the characters coverage. --Tomchen1989 (talk) 15:57, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Whoooops, sorry; I looked at the WenQuanYi fonts in FontForge just now, and you're right about them not supporting that many character ranges after all. Sorry for sounding so self-righteous about it without even checking first. To my defence, I did look at the readmes for the fonts, but I got the wrong impression. Anyway, I'm reverting the page back to your latest version, as I can't remember which of the changes I made were justified and which weren't. Rōnin (talk) 18:17, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

The title[edit]

It should be renamed to List of CJK fonts.

These are obviously CJK computer fonts, and they are sorted by their typeface styles.

The typeface styles includes: Ming, Sans-serif, Regular script, Clerical script, Imitation Song, etc.

And why the word "computer" was removed from the title? "CJK" is used in the field of software and communications internationalization; "font" is short for "computer fonts". So, there is no ambiguity for "CJK fonts", "CJK fonts" is equivalent to "CJK computer fonts", and is used more widely. --Tomchen1989 (talk) 19:29, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Why FOSS marked?[edit]

I feel like the very prominent marking of FOSS fonts in this list is pushing WP:NPOV. Anyone else agree?  — TORTOISEWRATH 20:33, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes. BabelStone (talk) 23:01, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
Yes. Moreover, 'NPOV is a fundamental principle of Wikipedia and of other Wikimedia projects. This policy is nonnegotiable and all editors and articles must follow it'. So what ? Pldx1 (talk) 20:18, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
No it has nothing to do with POV, marking FOSS doesn't necessarily mean they are recommended to be used. A lot of time FOSS can be discussed separately from others, see Open-source Unicode typefaces, Template:Free and open source typography, List of game engines#Free and open source. However if you find the color too prominent, you can change it using another mark which you think more proper. --Tomchen1989 (talk) 14:00, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
The Spanish version for this page uses a table. (talk) 03:19, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Another Font name change.[edit]

Font "中易楷体"'s name in Windows is now changed from "楷体_GB2312" to "楷体".
Confirmed on a PC with Windows 10 updated from Windows 8.1. (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:48, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

FOSS fonts for Simplified Chinese[edit]

Fandol is a set of FOSS fonts gaining popularity among Chinese TeX users. (talk) 03:19, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

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DLCMing family source?[edit]

In states that DLCMingMedium (華康中明體) and DLCMingBold (華康粗明體) are distributed with Traditional Chinese version of Windows 3.1, but both Retail version and MSDN version of Traditional Chinese version of Windows 3.1 have none of them. Roytam1 (talk) 07:40, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Edited.--Tomchen1989 (talk) 11:28, 23 March 2017 (UTC)