Talk:List of Confederate monuments and memorials

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Silent Sam[edit]

I removed most of the Silent Sam entry - it has its own article, so maintaining an 800-word entry here too seemed a clear violation of WP:CFORK, as well as inappropriate for a list. I've put some of the unique content from here into that article, where it seemed to be notable and not to duplicate what was already there. Others with knowledge of the subject may wish to take a look at my edits and see if there's more that can usefully be moved across. TSP (talk) 17:26, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

I agree with keeping only minimal content here and leaving detail for the standalone article. ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:29, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Hood's Texas Brigade Monument[edit]

Should Hood's Texas Brigade Monument be added to the list? ---Another Believer (Talk) 03:12, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Yes. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:20, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
I've added to the list (hopefully in the correct location). ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:04, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Shortening article by removing Former material[edit]

I have started to remove the Former sections and replace them with links to sections of Removal artival at beginning. I am checking that everything deleted is in the Removal article.

It serves no purpose to include the same information two different places, which means double editing. And in fact not everything in Removal section is here under Former, which can mislead readers.

I have done this so far with Arkansas and California. As time permits I will go on through the alphabet. deisenbe (talk) 13:02, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

  • Florida and Georgia merges completed. Different details and references in the two former Florida versions. deisenbe (talk)
  • Completed through Kansas deisenbe (talk) 00:12, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
We had a discussion about this in the past. I had removed the former sections, and @Malik Shabazz: was particularly adamant that it constituted a POV fork. So I put them back. You participated in that discussion, Deisenbe, so it's a little odd that you're bringing it up again without reference to the previous discussion. Fluous (talk) 03:55, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
Congratulations, you have a better memory than me. Bear in mind a year has gone by and other monuments have now been removed. Maintaining the same information in two different places at best is a timewaster. To have different information, including at times different references, on the same monument in two different places is flat out wrong. So I’m doing what I need to do to fix the situation. No one else is doing anything. I will keep doing this until someone starts undoing my work or convinces me - now, not a year ago - that I’m making things worse instead of better. deisenbe (talk) 10:37, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Confederate Soldiers and Sailors Monument --> disambiguation page[edit]

Just FYI, I moved Confederate Soldiers and Sailors Monument to Confederate Soldiers and Sailors Monument (Baltimore), then converted Confederate Soldiers and Sailors Monument into a disambiguation page. I did this after creating Confederate Soldiers and Sailors Monument (Georgetown, Texas) and realizing there were a couple other similarly-named monuments. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:48, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Painting missing[edit]

In the Georgia section, a missing painting is listed. How is a missing painting a monument or memorial to the Confederacy? Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 04:03, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Is your point that it shouldn’t be there because it’s a commemoration by omission than by commission, or that it isn’t relevant to the Confederacy?
I'm the one who put it in. I found working on the monuments in the Georgis capitol: a fascinating but little-known bit of trivia. (A similar item accidentally discovered is the former Texas Confederate Museum.) My criteria always is, is it helping or hurting the reader seeking information on the topic? At the time I couldn’t think of a better place for it. The article on the Georgia State Capitol doesn’t talk about any monuments at all. But I’ll move it over to the Removal article, which is about things not there. deisenbe (talk) 10:53, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
I just don't see how something that isn't there is a "monument or memorial" to the Confederacy. It would make sense in an article about the state capitol. Since that is the only painting missing, how do you explain the fact that the paintings of two governors who where not duly elected ARE there? James Johnson was appointed by President Johnson in 1865 and US Army General Thomas Ruger was appointed in 1868 by General Meade, when the US Army still occupied Georgia. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 16:26, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Scratch that last part. The article says that every governor elected since 1850 has their portrait there, so I don't know about the unelected ones. (At least some of the ones before 1850 must be missing too.) Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 16:38, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
I put it where it belongs, in Georgia State Capitol. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 16:46, 9 September 2018 (UTC)