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I began working in my sandbox about 6 months ago, and at the time, I didn't think there would be hundreds of edits to that page before I moved it into mainspace, so I thought a copy/paste move would be ok. I also wasn't aware that if other people helped in the sandbox that me copy/pasting it would be against GFDL guidelines for attribution. Turns out, three editors have made nearly 300 edits to the page since then, starting from here. I would like for just the edits since that revision to be moved to List of Michigan State Historic Sites. User:Doncram already created that mainspace article a while back to support a disambiguation page he was working on, but I believe that the article can and should be deleted to make way for this move. There is a short edit history of the mainspace article, but most of it is basically me trying to get the article deleted right after it was created, and then occasional bot tasks afterwards. There is a discussion at Wikipedia:Help desk#Moving only part of a page's history right now in which Doncram opposes the deletion and supports a copy/paste move.--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 18:59, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Can we not just delete the history of the existing List of Michigan State Historic Sites article? As I said in the original request, the entire edit history there is basically Doncram creating an extremely short stub (that shouldn't have been created IMO, but that's beside the point)... then me trying to get it deleted because I planned to move this out.. then just minor bot edits and other stuff since then. Why does this history need to be saved? Why not just delete that page and move this entire history there?--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 22:08, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
This "alternate version" consists of a single site–a redlink, even–that was created solely for the purpose of turning a link on a disambiguation page blue. There is absolutely nothing of worth at List of Michigan State Historic Sites that is not already in User:Dudemanfellabra/Sandbox. I still don't see the need to keep the alternate version. I understand what you mean about moving that history out of the way, but once it's moved, why not just delete it instead of dragging it along for the remainder of this article's history?--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 13:03, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Right, I understand that. I think everyone here agrees that this page should be moved, so can we just go ahead and move it? Then we can have a deletion discussion (Would that be an AFD, or is it something different since it would be like a sub-article?) after the move.--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 18:45, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: All moved. Biblioworm 18:32, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
– I'm proposing that all 58 county-specific lists be moved to eliminate "Michigan" from the end of the name. Since these are Michigan sites, it's obvious that they're in Michigan, not in Arkansas or Ontario. Alternately, we could just omit "Michigan" from the earlier part of the name (e.g. "List of State Historic Sites in Tuscola County, Michigan"), but someone could read it as being a wider-than-just-Michigan concept (comparable to state highways), rather than a Michigan-only program. This format is already used in similar situations by other states; see List of Pennsylvania state historical markers in Lycoming County and List of Indiana state historical markers in Perry County for a couple of examples, and also an isolated Michigan example, List of Michigan State Historical Markers in Oakland County. Final note — as long as we adopt my proposal, there's no need to move the parent "List of MHSHs in MI" page; I merely provided it because the template wouldn't work properly otherwise. Nyttend (talk) 21:51, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
Comment: Actually, according to this website (under the Counties tab), there are some markers erected out of state, and even in France. I haven't actually checked to see if there are any repeated counties, though. Still, that's not enough of a reason not to move, and I see no problems with moving them. Also, one final point: The Oakland county list mentioned is just a list of the sites which have markers erected, and is redundant to the sites list. Other redundant lists exist for Macomb County, Wayne County, and Detroit, all without ", Michigan" kennethaw88 • talk 01:46, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
Although that's true (and thank you; I didn't know that), I don't think it's hugely relevant, because ", Michigan" can reasonably be inferred; if they had a dozen Toledo War sites in and around Toledo, we'd call it "List of MI SHSs in Lucas County, Ohio", not just to clarify that it was in Ohio, but because anyone will assume that "List of MI SHSs in X County" is a list of places in X County, MI. Since this list directory doesn't mention out-of-state markers, what about creating a list of Michigan State Historic Sites outside Michigan? Nyttend (talk) 02:18, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
Support all per WP:CONCISE. No need to mention Michigan twice in the title. -Zanhe (talk) 19:05, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
Support all - redundant —МандичкаYO 😜 07:37, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
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