Talk:List of Mobile Suit Gundam Wing characters
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- 1 Some though on Krung Ponlamaai's name
- 2 Merge with Characters from the main Gundam Wing article
- 3 Indeed...
- 4 Questionable: Scythe in my right...
- 5 wikify
- 6 Merge proposals
- 7 Audrey Hepburn
- 8 Voices
- 9 Linkrot always comes back to haunt you: this article is now unsourced
- 10 Bogus "reference" makes bogus claims
Some though on Krung Ponlamaai's name
Well, I known that she's Thai girl. It's interesting that her name might be inspired by classic Thai actor Krung Sriwilai (it's a guy's name, though I saw it used by girl as well). Even more weird, Ponlamaai mean fruit.L-Zwei 16:32, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Merge with Characters from the main Gundam Wing article
Because we now have an own site with all the characters from Gundam Wing, we should remove them from the main article and merge them with this site. Diabound00 07:38, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
I say go on the merge. It would make things a whole lot easier. -Kaffeboy
Questionable: Scythe in my right...
I've never heard of "Gundam Wing Sidestory: A Scythe in My Right Hand, You in My Left" and a Google search reveals no signs of it. It's not listed as part of the Gundam canon anywhere that I have seen. Could it be a fan-made piece? Has anyone seen any evidence of it? If not, the references should be removed. Causticgit 02:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
- Try to search with 新機動戦記ガンダムW外伝～右手に鎌を左手に君を～ instead. It's official novel, but not very popular. L-Zwei 07:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
- I found it on Amazon.co.jp. Since it's published through Kodansha, it does seem legit. Any idea why it hasn't come to the US, or been fan-translated? Causticgit 22:56, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
- Actually there is a little bit of information about that novel and you can find it at http://aboutgundamwing.com/Manga/ScytheAndYou.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lethenyx (talk • contribs) 05:09, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
- The notation is not standard
- It is too much of a bulleted list
- Contains far too much unnecessary or unrelated information. Either split or reduce.
- Very difficult to read
I will do what I can to help. My move right now is to trim down character summaries of GW characters that already have their own article. -Adv193 01:59, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
I have tagged all of the character articles with merge tags. In their current states, they violate WP:NOT#PLOT by containing mostly plot summaries with little to no real world relevance. Also, none of the articles cite a single reliable source that is independent of the series or its producer. This leave the notability of the characters in doubt. Remember that notability is not based on how significant the character is in the series, but based on if the character has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. --Farix (Talk) 00:41, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
- I know there are a lot of sources out there, and I believe I have at least one of them myself if I can dig it up. But I don't think ALL of these characters need or deserve their own pages. The five Gundam pilots probably, plus major antagonists like Zechs and Treize, and major supporting characters like Relena, but others like Hilde, Odin, and Catherine can probably go. the_one092001 (talk) 19:05, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
- While reformatting the list and adding in anchors, I've noticed a great deal of original research. Most of it deals with tame origins and references. I've been removing these as I go along since without a citation to a reliable source, they shouldn't be in the article.
- There are also a large number of what I would consider incidental characters. Characters that only appear in the plot for a few episodes before being killed off or play very minor parts. These characters should be removed so that the list can focus on the more significant characters.
- It would also help if the article was organized based on which part of the franchise the characters originated from instead of based on allegiances or groups they belong to. Normally organizing a list of characters based on what group they belong to is a good way to organize the list. But with so many characters, each switching size as the series progrees, that isn't practical for this list. --Farix (Talk) 18:27, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
- Redirected the following:
- Catherine Bloom
- Dorothy Catalonia
- Odin Lowe
- Sally Po
- Hilde Schbeiker
- Everything that was in their article was said more concisely on the list.
- Redirected the following:
- The following were removed from the list:
- Inspector Acht
- Marquis Weridge
- Colonel Bunto
- Field Marshal Noventa
- Daigo Onnege
- Gwinter Septum
- General Ventei
- Circus Manager
- Mrs. Darlian
- Mrs. Noventa
- Sylvia Noventa
- Katrina Peacecraft
- King Peacecraft
- These characters where extremely incidental or were simply cannon fodder. --Farix (Talk) 21:39, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
- The following were removed from the list:
- We should keep the main characters' articles (Gundam Pilots, Relena, Zechs, Treize), and merge the rest. Duo02 ~Please direct all praises/complaints here.~ 04:09, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
- I'm giving time for the remaining character articles time to assert their notability. But if their notability can't be demonstrated within a reasonable amount of time, then they will be merged per WP:FICT. --Farix (Talk) 23:53, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
- Your mistaken. If a character has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, then it can not be presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article (WP:NOTE). So far, there has been no evidence that the main characters satisfy the inclusion criteria. --Farix (Talk) 12:35, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
- WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a reason to keep other articles that have not received significant coverage by independent sources. Nor is WP:ANIME being more judicious in adhering to the notability guidelines then other WikiProject an unfair situation. It's a sign that the other WikiProjects need to get their acts together. --Farix (Talk) 18:24, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
The article about Heero Yuy currently contains over 4,000 words. I don't believe it would just be copied and pasted to the character list page, so what is going to be left out? Probably quite a lot. Today I came to read the Wikipedia Gundam Wing articles to remind myself of what happened to Wing the mobile suit after Sally had retrieved it in episode 23 and which suits Heero piloted in space while Wing remained on Earth. To the people responsible for keeping up Wikipedia's style and quality standards these may seem like useless information, but to me they were important enough to look up today. The amount of Gundam Wing information in Wikipedia is wonderful, and I'd be sad to see it thrown away on pretence of significant coverage. I already disagree with the claimed insignificance of many of the characters removed from the list. Why is it a bad thing to let people know Otto was the mechanic who repaired Tallgeese after it was discovered? No matter what some people think, Wikipedia is not a site dedicated to publishing what scientist have researched and cross-checked. It's a site from ordinary yet enthusiastic people for other enthusiasts. Even though the information about anime characters and plots can't be backtraced to multiple reliable sources, it's very accurate, so I see no point in removing it by merging. --Meepu —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 10:34, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
- I think that all of them should be merged. They have little to no assertion of notablility, and have few appearances in other media. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 20:44, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
From footnote 2 of the paper cited in http://scienceblogs.com/cognitivedaily/2009/11/anime_film_characters_do_we_pe.php :
"For example, the Relena Peacecraft character from Mobile Suit Gundam Wing (Masashi Ikdea, 1995-6) is widely believed to be based on Audrey Hepburn and her Princess Ann character from Roman Holidy (William Wyler, 1953)."
Aside from most of the stars, a lot of the characters don't have the voice actors listed next to them. According to tv.com, the only other source that bothers to give us this information, the voices are:
- Ward Perry as Abdul, Marquise Weridge, Otto, and Howard
- Michael Dobson as Darlian, Duke Dermail (though some say it's Jim Byrnes), Attah, Commander Bonaparte, Mr. Winner, and Colonel Bunte
- Paul Dobson as Nichol, Noventa, Rashid, and Inspector Acht
- Richard Newman as Tsubarov
- David Mackay as Doktor S, Trant Clark, and Quinze
- Don Brown as Walker, Miser, and Sedichi (Walker was even mentioned by Treize 45 episodes after his death and 44 after his last mention)
- Brian Drummond as Professor G (we all know his more prominent role though so I won't bother saying it here)
- Mark Hildreth as General Ventei (again, we know the bigger role he plays and it's already listed)
Linkrot always comes back to haunt you: this article is now unsourced
Because the editors citing references for this article did not bother to use proper citation formatting, all references suffered from extreme linkrot and are now completely unverifiable. Because the majority of the refs all pointed to the same fansite (which is generally not considered a valid source) and that fansite is no more, this article is now effectively unsourced. Unsourced information can be challenged and removed. Please find valid, reliable, verifiable third party information to support this article, or it may become subject to nomination for deletion. Canonblack (talk) 23:03, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Bogus "reference" makes bogus claims
This, from one of the "references":
- It is stated that the Gundam Pilots' names originate from numbers 1-5 (apart from Heero, whose codename is related to a colonial peacekeeper in the story). Hiiro could be derived from the Japanese word hito which can mean one. Duo is a modern spelling of the Latin dvo meaning two, a partner. Quatre is French for four and Wu in Wufei is the pronunciation of five (五) in Chinese, and the Chinese translation of his name is 五飛, meaning Five Fly. If this is true, it would also be reasonable for Trowa to originally be Triton, as Triton consists of one proton and two neutrons, three together, suggesting Trowa to be number three (trois [trwa] in French).
This is blatant OR; the person who concocted it is really reaching to make connections between unconnected things, and admits it. In addition, the statement "(apart from Heero, whose codename is related to a colonial peacekeeper in the story)" is immediately contradicted by the next sentence, "Hiiro could be derived from the Japanese word hito which can mean one." You can't have it both ways, either the character name is not a number or it is. The phrases, "It is stated," "If this is true," and "it would...be reasonable" are blatant weasel words. It is not "reasonable" by any understanding of etymology to suggest a relationship or common meaning between the invented word "trowa" and the Greek word "Triton". The editor clearly does not even understand what Triton is, a pretty grave sin since Wikipedia has an entire disambiguation page devoted to the word, and none of the entries on that page has anything to do with an object that consists solely of "one proton and two neutrons". The only thing that remotely matches this description is tritium, which has a nucleus consisting of one proton and two neutrons, but no atom consists only of a nucleus.