Talk:List of Perry Mason episodes
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"...The Terrified Typist"
"The Case of the Terrified Typist" gets a special note beneath the list reading:
"This is one of the few cases that Perry Mason lost, or did he? After his defendant was found guilty at the trial, at the following combined sentencing hearing and motion for a new trial Mason pulls a rabbit out of his hat that clears the name of his defendant, but he doesn't exactly get the defendant off the hook, either."
The editor responsible for this seems to have combined two episodes into one despite having included a link to an online video of the one named. In "...Typist" during the trial Mason accepts Burger's assurance that evidence he wants to introduce (love letters from an illicit affair, IIRC) are connected to the defendant. Later—but still during trial per se—Mason shows that the man on trial is an imposter rather than the man they've all believed him to be, and he had nothing to do with those letters. However, he is the murderer, but between a mistrial on the admission of that actually irrelevant evidence and the fact that Perry was hired by the man's company to represent their employee, Mason avoids a conviction on his record. On the other hand, 7—4, "...The Deadly Verdict" opens with a sentencing hearing in which Mason's client (Julie Adams) is given the death penalty; something is said there about a motion for a new trial, but I don't remember exactly what. Perry lost the trial because she withheld information from him to protect someone who, it finally comes out, didn't need that protection. With all the facts now at his disposal, Mason is soon able to expose the real murderer, but not in any kind of courtroom hearing. Anybody want to dispute this (one way or another) before I drastically rewrite that note?
What's the correct title of an episode? TCOT Resolute Reformer? TCOT Irresolute Reformer? TCOT Irresolute Performer?
Regarding the title of the fourteenth episode of the fourth season that orginally aired on 1/14/1962, I watched the episode during a Perry Mason marathon shown on The Hallmark Movie Channel on 8/11/2012 at 11 PDT. The opening credits show the title to be "The Case of the Resolute Reformer" -- not "...Irresolute Reformer" or "Irresolute Performer."
- The following resources provide the correct title:
- The following resources provide the errorneous title of "Irresolute Reformer":
What does "remove image pending deletion at Commons" mean?
- I've had to request that the file I uploaded at Wikimedia Commons be deleted, because I've verified that isn't a public domain image. It was published under copyright by the Chicago Tribune. I did upload a much smaller copy here at Wikipedia, and wrote rationale for its fair use in a limited number of articles. — WFinch (talk) 21:20, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
- So the image file may be used in Perry Mason (TV series) but not here? It is the perfect image to be shown next to the TCOT Final Fade-Out episode, wherein Gardner is wearing a judge's robe in the role of the uncredited second judge, and Patrick-Jackson appears in a cameo. Spot on. Television fan (talk) 14:25, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Individual season lists of episodes
I've just reverted two major edits made to this list article today. Separate list articles were created for Season 1 and Season 2. The data from those articles—none of it reliably sourced—was imported into this article in an abbreviated form, replacing the sourced content here. The greatest change made in the individual-season lists was the addition of episode summaries; but I found that most of them were copied verbatim from the Internet Movie Database and TV.com., and removed the copyvios accordingly.
Before such a big change is made it's best to discuss it on the talk page, to get consensus. I'd love to see episode summaries added to this article, the comprehensive article, but I'm not sure of the value of breaking up the list into individual seasons. I think readers would prefer to see the basic credits, guest cast, source information and brief synopsis all on a single page. The list of Bonanza episodes (14 seasons) is on a single page; so is the list of Hill Street Blues episodes (seven seasons). — WFinch (talk) 06:37, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- I see nothing wrong with individual season articles; they were even made for the list of episodes for Dragnet 1967, which only had 4 seasons. For a 9-season show, it makes sense to have separate season pages, especially if there is an excessive amount of references and links for the whole thing. As for copying story summaries from IMDB and TV.com, this is done for a lot of shows, mostly because of Wikipedia's rule against first-hand research; where else would the information come from? 184.108.40.206 (talk) 18:47, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- I agree that there's nothing wrong with individual season episode lists. For Perry Mason, though, with guest stars recurring from season to season—like a repertory cast, really—I think people would like to see the information all in one place. There's nothing wrong with that, either.
- If there are separate episode-list articles for each season, they should include the information that is already here and reliably sourced. Guest cast members have been included on this list for years—that's something that editors felt was notable, going back to 2011 or so—but for some reason that information wasn't carried over to the new separate season lists. Neither were the citations that covered the essential credits and air dates. As a result, when Season 1 and Season 2 were replaced here with the information pulled from the new separate articles, all of the citations for that information disappeared. (The separate season lists for Dragnet 1967 are unsourced, by the way.)
- Regarding story summaries, the information comes from the editors themselves, summarizing the episode in their own words. It's understood that the program itself is the source, and no other source is required for plot summaries. If there's also interpretation of the program, or if real-world information is being reported, a source has to be given or it's "original research". But the episode summary can't be copied from IMDb or TV.com or anywhere else. The summaries that I removed from the separate Season 1 and Season 2 articles were direct copy-and-paste or close paraphrasing, with no attribution to the source: plagiarism. — WFinch (talk) 19:42, 7 May 2016 (UTC)