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I think the description that Brahms music is more conservative than Wagner/Liszt not true. With Mendelssohn or Schumann the case is clear but Brahms? In my opinion his symphonies share more with Bruckners symphonies than many Wagner works do (and certainly not his symphonies).
Also Arnold Schönberg wrote an essay about Brahms the progressive. --Tensorproduct (talk) 15:51, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know that it's really up for debate that Brahms is more progressive than Wagner and Liszt, but rather the uncertainty lies in whether he is independently progressive or conservative overall. However, the distinction is murky and to your point, may not be the full story. I've changed it to Schumann. Aza24 (talk) 04:43, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You have changed Mendelssohn into Schumann. Was that intentional? Well yes it is up to debate who was more progressive but saying Brahms was conservative is also not true. He continued where the more conservatives stopped but he certainly developed a unique new style. --Tensorproduct (talk) 00:25, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, definitely not intentional! Fixed now. But yes, Brahms is certainly unique. Aza24 (talk) 04:36, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
