Talk:List of Soviet computer systems
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MISS (Multipurpose Interactive timeSharing System), Unix-like
MISS had nothing common with UNIX. It was a completely different design, from scratch. It even had no prevalent command-line interface, the UI has been completely menu-driven and interactive. The first language implemented in it was not C, but Fortran. It had no Russian name - only English 'Multipurpose Interactive timeSharing System' The entry is incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 14:03, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
DVK and BK is not clones
Hey!.. DVK and BK-0010/0011 are NOT clones of PDP-11: there is no machines they copied from. They are both based on K1801VMx processor chips, which is NOT a clone of PDP-11, but shares the same command set. So, I think, we can say - DVK and BK-0010/0011 is PDP-11-like. -- NZeemin 18:43, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- As much as I lust after one of these machines, I have to disagree. The Z80 was considered an 8088 clone even though it was software compatible... - I consider anything that will run the instruction set a "clone". PDP-11 is an architecture more than any physical machine. And yet, it is not a machine blessed by DEC, so I have to think of it as a clone. I'm not 100% sure either way, but I really am leaning on "clone". It could have run RT-11 if it wanted to, couldn't it? -- toresbe 19:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- I have no idea, is BK/DVK PDP architecture clone or not. But I see misfit on your argumentation. CPU, that run same intstruction set (as Z80 w/ i8080, you noted) is clone, clone-CPU. But two systems, built around similar (or same) CPUs can't be called the same (or cloned) system unless they has same architecture solutions - memory & i/o ports mapping, CPU environment chips, if any, etc, which allows same software binaries (including OS) to be run on both systems.
- There is lot of systems, that using same CPU, but is completely different. For example, 8-bit Atari and Apple II are both 6502-based, but it isn't same (or original & clone) computers, because they use different environment solutions, and Apple II software cannot run on Atari system, vice versa.
- So, even if BK has PDP-cloned instruction set CPU, it can be absolutely different system. 18.104.22.168 21:19, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
In Russian namespace we have chronology for the list: ru:Template:Хронология_советских_компьютеров. Hope it can be helful for the English article. I think, it is easy to translate the diagram or maybe it is understandable without any translation. -- NZeemin (talk) 19:09, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Encourage opening the history of Soviet computing
This is somewhat an amazing list from the formerly closed society. I encourage contributors to "flesh it out". Try to provide source material but beware and avoid adjectives like "clone". Try to give specifics about hardware architecture to help understand design: memory and word sizes, addressing, etc. departures from largely conventional von Neumann design (rare), and also software: languages, OSes where those existed, applications. Saying that something is a PC clone, Cray clone, IBM clone, VAX clone is very restrictive. They might sound impressive, but your former country's real history belongs to the non-surviving architectures like the system with 33-bit words, etc. Good luck and best wishes. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 16:13, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
- The "Proton 1M" and "MSE Rattler" do not exist. Unrelated, but the Proton-M is a type of rocket. -Einstein95 (talk) 12:28, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
- I have found a "Proton-1M" (Протон-1М) as what seems to be a gas-powered hot water heater: https://www.avito.ru/tula/remont_i_stroitelstvo/gazovaya_kolonka_proton-1m_658131936 -Einstein95 (talk) 12:25, 29 November 2015 (UTC)