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Henri Bergson - Swedish???
Sorry - got carried away there.... :-)) User:Renata
Further famous Swedish people who might be included:
-W indicates that the name is not found in Wikipedia
+W indicates that the name is found in Wikipedia
+W art. indicates that the person already has an article in Wikipedia
Torbern Bergman -W
Saint Birgitta (St Bridget) +W
Karl-Birger Blomdahl +W
Christina of Sweden +W art.
Olaus Magnus -W
Harry Martinson +W
Birgit Nilsson -W
Christina Nilsson (19th c. soprano) +W (under Rossini)
Martin P:son Nilsson -W
Christian Hendrik Persoon +W art.
Christopher Polhem +W
Hans Riesel -W
Johannes Rudbeck +W
Olaus Rudbeck +W
Emanuel Swedenborg +W
Nathan Söderblom +W
Elisabeth Söderström +W
Esaias Tegnér +W
Added some of the above. I'll be adding actual articles in a bit. -- OlofE
A few more suggestions:
Hannes Olof Gösta Alfvén +W
Nils Gustaf Dalén +W
Hans Axel Fersen +W
Adolf Erik Nordenskiöld
Hampus von Post
(I have written article on Christina Nilsson)
Rudbeck should be either Olaus Rudbeckius (latin form) or Olof Rudbeck (swedish form) - not a mix. von Fersen should be Axel von Fersen. Hannes Alfvén (no more than that). --Olofe
Well, the EB1911 text is wrong :-P - the name is either Olof Rudbeck or Olaus Rudbeckius - I'd think the latin form would be the more international one, as for for instance Linnaeus. Sorry - I was sloppy reading what the +W really was (I had already seen and read the Antoinette part for instance). But mostly I wanted to flag for inconsistent names before somebody went ahead and made a lot of articles with too many names in them. -- OlofE 09:44 Sep 27, 2002 (UTC) Add - There is now a page for Olaus Rudbeckius. It needs more material but should serve in a pinch.
While I'm at it - Bruno Liljefors (no more or it won't match any Swedish source). Also, John Fabian Carlson? Who is that? The Swedish National Encyclopedia doesn't mention anyone with that name, nor a John or Fabian. -- OlofE 10:29 Sep 27, 2002 (UTC)
Shortening the list
There has to be some criteria to distinguish which people who belong on the list and those who don’t. It is simply not sufficient just to be known only in a specific field or merely in Sweden or that matter. To be placed on the list there has to be at least some kind of international recognition and the limit should be set at an appropriate level to limit the list of becoming unwieldy. I have introduced a structure where less significant names may be placed in separate articles relating to specific fields and where the standards should be at a lower level. Currently I feel that the list for “Sports” might be quite long but the names generally have sufficient recognition to warrant a listing.
It could be the case that some of the names that have been weeded out actually belong on the list and the opposite that some names left in the list does not belong there. The current reject candidates, whom of which many might qualify to a list of lower dignity were:
Elsa Beskow -- painter 1874-1953 Carl Oscar Borg 1879-1947 John Fabian Carlson -- painter 1875-1945 Michael Dahl -- painter, 1659-1743 Per Hasselberg -- sculptor Carl Fredrik Hill -- 1849-1911 Eugène Jansson - 1862-1915 Elias Martin -- 1739-1818 Claes Oldenburg -- sculptor (born 1929) Carl Gustaf Pilo -- painter 1711-1793 Oscar Gustave Rejlander --photographer 1813-1875 Kent Ullberg sculptor (born 1945) Carl Fredrik von Breda -- painter 1759-1818 Adolf-Ulrik Wertmuller -- painter 1751-1811
Anders Glenmark – singer Adolf Fredrik Lindblad -- composer Kurt Magnus Atterberg -- composer Håkan Hagegård – baritone Tommy Körberg -- singer Tomas Ledin -- singer Joseph Martin Kraus -- composer Lars-Erik Larsson – composer Agnetha Fältskog -- ABBA Anni-Frid Lyngstad -- ABBA Per-Uno Undertun -- guitarist ABBA -- pop group S.P.O.C.K -- space pop group
Science Johann Arfvedson -- chemist Elias Magnus Fries -- taxonomist Johan Gadolin -- chemist Aristid Lindenmayer -- biologist Nils Gabriel Sefström -- chemist Peter Nilson – astronomer Svante Arrhenius -- scientist Svante Pääbo -- biologist, geneticist Sverre Sjölander -- zoologist Erik Waller -- historian of medicine Martin P:n Nilsson -- historian of religions
Also added Finland-Swedish people under a separate headline to the list. These people are not of Swedish, but of Finnish nationality. They are however Swedish speaking and culturally Swedish.
/ Mic 21:28 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC)
I agree with your idea and the ones selected for rejection are mostly good choices. The following are the only ones (of those rejected) that I feel are relevant in an international context,
ABBA, possibly ABBA members too Torgny Lindgren
Percy Barnevik, Håkan Hagegård, Wilhelm Ekelund are next in line but should probably be left out of the main list. In a topical list, they're all given.
Victor Sjöström - internationally acclaimed, mainly because of his works with Ingmar Bergman
Elsa Beskow - also internationally acclaimed, at least in Europe and especially in Germany
C. F. Hill - he's a friggin' giant for crying out loud! Probably bigger abroad than in Sweden.
I agree with the above post about ABBA.
Jan Troell - has any Swedish director been nominated for an Oscar more often than him lately?
Arvid Carlsson - Oh, he's only the man behind some of the medical/neurochemical sciences' most important discoveries of the last century and the latest Swedish Nobel Prize laureate... ;)
I appreciate the difficulties of inclusion/exclusion criteria involved here, Mic, but do you reckon Fredrik Reinfeldt (recently appointed conservative party leader) has any "international recognition"? Even a little bit?
Another point, maybe nitpicking, on the politicians list: I'm all for making an effort to include eminent Swedish women, but, still, if Alva Myrdal is there, oughtn't Gunnar Myrdal to be as well? He's a lot better known internationally than she is, in the US especially. --Bishonen 23:27, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Mic? I'm not sure about the edit I just made, changing singer/songwriter to singer-songwriter in four places, in order to be able to wikilink. I understand that my version doesn't go so well with musician/composer, and also that singer-songwriter is subtly different in meaning, being one word - it's more Bob Dylan than Bellman. (I've used the word, I think appropriately, about Cornelis in the article about him.) Perhaps getting a link isn't worth all that - you're absolutely free to revert, of course. Bishonen 16:56, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
This list should be more inclusive and not simply present links.
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THIS LIST IS ABSURD
This list needs shortening. Every single person who ever played in a band need not be on here, especially when there are SEPARATE pages for Swedish musicians, athletes, etc. I'm going to do a broad clean up, I'm sorry if I go too far in any instance.
The Colbert Report reference
- Don't be so quick to pat yourself on the back yet. I'd recommend a temporary lock on the page. Jasper420 03:51, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Television programmes are citable references, Stephen Colbert has stated his swedish and people should be taken as truthful unless you can present definitive evidence to the contrary — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 11:40, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm far from sure I'm convinced this article is a good idea from the very beginning, but as it exists, I've been trying to weed it every now and then, as people are inclined to want to include themselves/their friends/people they admire. A red link should be a dead giveaway they don't belong here, for example, but even those who easily pass the threshold of notability to have a Wikipedia article may be a bad fit here. For example, I've removed a reference to the undoubtly notable Youtube video game commentator PewDiePie from the list of other notable Swedes, not because no one knows who he is, but because he might not have played the fairly central role in history that the others have.
- I'm reluctant to keep removing names on my own, as this article is by no means mine more than it's anyone else's, but as has been stated above, we need some sort of criteria. Thousands and thousands of Swedes have been notable enough to merit articles on Wikipedia. Many of them have undoubtly been well known. Including all of them makes the list unusable. They ought to have played a central role within the history of Sweden and/or their field and have left a lasting impact, to begin with. /Julle (talk) 16:11, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, that's half the problem: it can't be everyone who's notable for their own article, for that would make the list pointless and impossibly long. So it's always going to be arbitrary. I'd suggest deletion, because there's no way we can make this a good article or working list. /Julle (talk) 07:06, 2 January 2016 (UTC)