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Unrecognised championships[edit]

Didn't Rob Van Damn win the belt one night only for it to be reverted ala Chris Benoit?(Halbared 16:38, 1 July 2006 (UTC)) Yes he did, just found it in a wreslting magazine. Rob beat Undie, on RAW, but the magazine does not have any dates, anyone help with this? The decision was quashed, the match restarted.(Halbared 16:44, 1 July 2006 (UTC))

If your referring to the reign I'm thinking of, then RVD beat Taker in a match, but it was later revealed that Taker's feet were on the ropes and the result was reversed a minute later. -- Scorpion0422 03:13, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

This also happened to Chris Jericho, he won the title from Triple H then the decision was reversed and the title reign was stricken from the record books. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.213.167.220 (talk) 16:55, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

What about Ted DiBaise? He even defended the title at a house show against Bam Bam in 88.

Sixshooter500 (talk) 02:18, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Jericho's "First" Title Reign.[edit]

I added the time when Jericho beat Triple H for the title, only to have it stricken, to the list. I feel it meets the criteria for an title reign not recognized by the WWE. Jericho beat Triple H, and actually held the title for a period of time (As short as it was). We make note of the time when Greg Valentine beat Bob Backlund for the title, and the title was held up, even though WWE says Baccklund held the title uninterupted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DonJuan.EXE (talkcontribs) 18:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I note for the record that Valentine never beat Backlund for the title. Anyone who watches the video footage on youtube can see that Valentine didn't win. There is a huge difference between winning -- and having your hand raised in error by a dazed referee. The title was held up pending internal review, made moot by a later Backlund victory. The analogy would be the Patriots winning the Super Bowl, but the announcer after the fact goofs and hands the Lombardi trophy to the Seahawks. NFL would never say that Seattle "won" the trophy based on that error. In the same way, there are plenty of "Dusty finishes" in the AWA where legitimate wins are voided immediately -- either due to outside interference or similar actions. Vachon had a 1-2-3 pin count on Bockwinkel, only to have it voided due to a Dusty finish -- i.e. Bockwinkel's manager interfered. In WWE such a result would stand -- in AWA it didn't. Same here -- in WWE these anomalous resutls -- such as Valentine's "victory", Van Damm's apparent victory and Inoki's non-recognized victory -- they don't stand. Because WWE has decided they are not title transfers. And this isn't because WWE has permanent say over it, either -- but rather because AT THE TIME the events happened, they said they didn't count. I would be sympathetic if WWE changed its position years later -- but an outside/neutral source maintained the original decision. Here the original decision by WWE (property owner) is what is still standing. IMHO that even makes Andre's 1-day (actually 10 minutes) reign dubious, as it was immediately voided. Chesspride 66.19.84.2 (talk) 09:39, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

24.24.221.54 (talk) 07:37, 4 July 2012 (UTC) Couldnt it be mentioned in the Notes section?

Longest Reigns[edit]

Can we get a table with with like the top 10 Guys with the longest single Title Reign? So that people can see who has held the belt the Longest in one reign. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.93.167.109 (talk) 05:41, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

You can already sort the table by reign length. Just click on the arrow and you can sort it loongest-to-shortest or shortest-to-longest. TJ Spyke 19:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I think he means can we put a table with all the longest single title reigns not just the current title reigns--Dcheagle (talk) 23:41, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

If I am understanding you correctly, you can already do that. The table is sortable, so you can sort all 92 title reigns by length (FYI; the 10 longest reigns are Sammartino's 2nd, Hogan's 1st, Sammartino's 1st, Morales' 1st, Backlund's 3rd, Backlund's 2nd, Backlund's 1st, Cena's 3rd, Savage's 1st, Hogan's 2nd). TJ Spyke 23:50, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Oh ok i read the wrong ok yea know i under stand and yes you can do that my bad--Dcheagle (talk) 23:52, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
It says that Sammartino's 8 years are a record for longest reign by a wrestling world champion, but didn't Fabulous Moolah hold the Women's World Title (consecutively) for much longer than that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.76.220.34 (talk) 22:34, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

The Rock[edit]

How long was the Rock actually champion? He's listed as 297 days but the dates in the chart add up to 302. Which is it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Graveyardkiss (talkcontribs) 14:44, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

As of ...[edit]

As of {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTYEAR}} is not a valid way to keep a list up to date. You have to actually tell us when the data was last valid. --Golbez (talk) 11:30, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

  • I actually disagree. As long as the page is continually updated (and see how many updates we've had since last night!!), the list is up to date as of the Current Month, Day, and Year. --Starcade (talk) 22:02, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

List of top combined reigns[edit]

Does anyone know how to change the List of top combined reigns list to be under the List of top combined reigns banner and not under the External links banner? I tried a bunch of things and I don't know for the life of me how to do that. If anyone knows how to do that and can fix it, I would appreciate it. Thanks. Gibsonj338 (talk) 02:16, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Different question, same portion: Why are we deleting names from the list who haven't gotten to a certain number of days in total reigns (I believe it's 100.)? --Starcade (talk) 01:16, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Do we refer to him here as Dos Caras Jr. or Alberto del Rio?[edit]

Just wondering. --Starcade (talk) 03:04, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

    • That's what I thought, but when I posted this, someone had actually listed him under his Lucha Libre name. --Starcade (talk) 09:02, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Remove?[edit]

Should we really put Miz/Mysterio on the list? After all, there is no guarantee that the events will play out as it has been announced. 76.29.164.90 (talk) 03:49, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

  • Then there's no guarantee as to what to do. Is the title even vacant? Is Punk the champion? Is Cena the champion? I do believe the encyclopedically verifiable thing to do is at least to mention the tournament in the "vacated" explanation (I can agree that actually pre-creating the Miz/Mysterio space on the list is a bit much, but that is the advertised and currently verifiable final, so I let it stand.) Even if del Rio/Caras cashes in, Miz or Mysterio is the next champion unless the tournament is thrown out (kayfabe), and, at that point, we get to all the questions I gave above. --Starcade (talk) 07:07, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Why do we always go through this with the Combined Reigns List? Because...[edit]

A lot of us are not clear as to whether the list should include all champions or champions who have had a reign or reigns totalling X number of days (at least one group has placed X = 100 on many of the different pages). Since we don't seem to have a central authority, we keep going back and forth. I believe all champions should be listed, from zero days on up. I think we need a discussion on that one. --Starcade (talk) 09:02, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

John Cena: 1,024 days, not 4,000-plus[edit]

I had noticed that Cena was listed in the table of combined reigns twice, and in the time it took me to log in and attempt to edit, someone else had put him on top of the list with over 4,000 days. It's 1,024. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chasdenonno (talkcontribs) 07:15, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Punk or Cena?[edit]

Whos the real champ? I thought Punk left with the belt, or was that just the belt itself? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.201.230.50 (talk) 11:40, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

  • It's possible that there are now officially two WWE Champions (with Unification at SummerSlam), it'd be announcend on Raw soon if that's the case. --Tscherpownik (talk) 02:25, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 124.180.227.77, 2 August 2011[edit]

i would like to change it

124.180.227.77 (talk) 06:32, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

That is not how this works if you will tell me what you want changed I would be happy to make the changes for you--Dcheagle 06:34, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

CM Punk at SummerSlam[edit]

Why is CM Punk's victory at SummerSlam not being counted? He may have only been the champion for a few short minutes, but he still won the match and became the champion. Just because he lost an impromptu match immediately afterwards, it doesn't mean that his previous victory didn't happen. 2.27.19.166 (talk) 01:50, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

  • As far as I'm aware Punk's reign is counted as a continuous one. However, he is listed as the shortest reigning champion which I believe is wrong. --90.193.32.89 (talk) 13:10, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Nevrtheless I still think it should be noted that he won that night, and put next to it that it was a match to determine the undisputed wwe championship (the wwe championship was referred to as the undisputed championship for quite some time in the past - and yet appears in this list). Perhaps confirmation from the wwe would be a good idea? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.132.143.12 (talk) 20:41, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

  • While I agree with you to some extent, saying that he won the championship implies that he lost it in the first place. I'd say putting a note next to John Cena's last title reign saying that he lost the championship to CM Punk in a title unification match. --90.193.32.89 (talk) 08:17, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
  • According to the company, Cena was the official champion going into the match, so this victory should be Punk's second title reign. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.105.102 (talk) 11:29, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Miz's title reign[edit]

Someone needs to fix The Miz's title reign info. It says he won on 11/19/2010 and held the title for 163 days. That date is a Friday and Raw is held on Monday. On Miz's wiki page, it says it was 11/22/2010 that he won. So he held the title for 160 days and not 163. I checked Orton's info above, and his is right. I've never commented on here before, so if I've messed up the signing part, I apologize.97.73.64.169 (talk) 02:14, 18 August 2011 (UTC)TOJW — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.73.64.169 (talk) 02:10, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 98.233.48.103, 27 August 2011[edit]

Jeff Hardy || 1 || 42

98.233.48.103 (talk) 06:26, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 07:52, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

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Successful Defences[edit]

Just curious... the IWGP Heavyweight Championship has a column in its title history (and in its list of combined reigns) for number of successful defences. I think this would be a really interesting stat and wonder whether it is something that is worth adding to the WWE championship, as well as the various other WWE championships? Thoughts... Pigs Might Fly Music (talk) 13:57, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Companies like New Japan and ROH keep track of the defenses, WWE do not. We can't add one as there is no way to source them all. The title is pretty much defended at almost every house show.--WillC 22:05, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

I have created a table with every PPV title defense. Anyone interested? WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 16:56, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Not really. As Will noted above, PPV defenses are hardly comprehensive, and not a complete history of title defenses. Too many Raws, Smackdowns, house shows, Saturday Nights Main Events, etc. for it to be meaningful. WWE doesn't track title defenses the way they do in Japan; it's just not part of the American wrestling milieu. To try to include it would actually be original research. oknazevad (talk) 17:05, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Just PPV defenses wouldn't include original research, I can get all the info I want from Wikipedia. And PPV defenses are obviously way bigger than RAW defenses. So what about a list with all the defenses on another wikipedia article I'm going to create, and this site gets linked somewhere in the original "List of WWE Champions" article?WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 19:58, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Noting Custom titles[edit]

Wouldnt it be a good idea to place in the notes section during a reign when a new title belt is introduced? Especially when the new design is permanent? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.24.221.54 (talk) 07:41, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Error in WWE Champions List[edit]

I just thought I'd let everyone know that I saw an error in the WWE Championship history under WWE Championship belts section. Where it said WWE Undisputed Championship2004 Edge, I removed the "2004 Edge" part

Psmith303011 (talk) 02:34, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Ultimate Warrior[edit]

Shouldn't the Ultimate Warrior's reign be 294 days? He won the belt on a Sunday and lost it on a Sunday. 293 doesn't divide evenly by 7. 294 does.I noticed this because CM Punk is approaching 294 days if he keeps the belt until SummerSlam. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CE08:C8D0:84A2:24BC:8C0C:373F (talk) 16:09, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Would be a good catch, but no; pay-per-views didn't always take place on Sundays then as they do now. Rumble '91 occured on a Saturday. Papacha (talk) 21:43, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Bob Backlund[edit]

How does Bob Backlund get the second longest reign as wwe champion if he only captured the title twice, one being 648 days and the second being 3 days — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.252.34.168 (talk) 15:49, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Because the reign recognized is 2,135 days. Papacha (talk) 16:22, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Also i also noticed that if you add his first reigns as if it was uninterupted plus his second reigns it only adds to 2,127 days and the total says he had 2,138 days — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.252.34.168 (talk) 15:59, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Because your math is off. Papacha (talk) 16:22, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Consensus for format[edit]

I've put together what I think is a fair format regarding pictures for this page:

1. The belt itself

2. The current champion (and if he happens to have the belt all the better)

3. The record title holder

I think this covers all the important items that needs to be represented, but other posters prefer to just have pictures of people with the belt, regardless if they're champion or not.

So I'll put it up to vote--my format or something else, and whatever we choose here will apply to all the other title lists as well to keep things uniform.

1. Emphatically Yes keep the format I laid out above. Vjmlhds 18:09, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

The fact that you think it's a vote shows how little you know about wikipedia. -- Scorpion0422 18:16, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
What--I'm not allowed to vote on my own proposal? Next thing you're gonna tell me is that Obama or Romney can't vote for themselves for President. Vjmlhds 18:24, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
WP:NOTAVOTE. -- Scorpion0422 18:25, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Picture Of Bruno Sammartino[edit]

Bruno Sammartino is the greatest WWE Champion of all time. His picture should be added. Gachingy (talk) 14:00, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

If there was a free-use image of Bruno with the belt I doubt you'd find much in the way of opposition. Papacha (talk) 23:24, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Longest consecutive reign?[edit]

Is it at all possible to add a column to the reign length table that states the longest unbroken reign of the wrestlers? So in CM Punk's case (as I dont know the others) it'd be 352 I think, and so forth? Darkwarriorblake (talk) 18:01, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

The table is versatile ; completely sortable by pressing the tabs on top. Press "Days held" and you've got your number. Papacha (talk) 23:21, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
No I mean like say John Cena has held it 10 times for 1,058 days, would it be possible to add a column that says what his longest single reign of those 10 was? So say it was 365 days unbrokenbefore a loss, Punk would be at 350+ I believe, and so forth.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 23:24, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Once again you can sort columns on both these charts. Just hit the tab on the top table. Papacha (talk) 23:32, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Oh ok, I was talking about the bottom table where all the information is summarised. Didn't see there was one in the upper table. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 23:36, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

October 7, 2007[edit]

What exactly happened here? Randy is awarded title, loses it, then earns it back in the same night? The description for Triple H's win is blank, can someone fill this area in with an explanation of what occurred? Very confusing part of the table. Ranze (talk) 17:07, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

After Randy was awarded the title, Triple H came out and forced him into a title match by insulting him. Helmsley won the title and went on to defend it later that night against Umaga. It was orginally scheduled to be Cena vs Orton for the title in a Last Man Standing Match but Cena was injured so they used Helmsley instead. 50.138.212.177 (talk) 20:48, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Youngest champs[edit]

The table mentioned Brock becoming the youngest champ ever. A big deal was also made about Orton being the youngest-ever champ during his first reign. This makes me think perhaps we could include in the article the progressive 'youngest champ' records. I'll compile them here. It begins with the age of the first to hold it, and then only lists a new person winning it when they're younger than that record:

  1. April 1963 Buddy Rogers (born Feb 1921) wins title at 42 years old
  2. May 1963 Bruno Sammartino (born Oct 1935) wins title at 27 years, 7 months old
  3. November 1991 Undertaker (born March 1965) wins title at 26 years, 8 months old
  4. April 1993 Yokozuna (born October 1966) wins title at 26 years, 6 months old
  5. November 1998 Rock (born May 1972) wins title at 26 years, 5 months old
  6. August 2002 Brock Lesnar (born July 1977) wins title at 25 years old
  7. October 2007 Randy Orton (born April 1980) wins title at .. 27 years old? Wait a minute...

Maybe Orton was the youngest ever heavyweight champ? Better go revert that. Oh wait. Did I make any mistakes? I guess Brock really was the youngest WWE champ ever in the history? I'll make a similar chart on the HW page I guess. Ranze (talk) 18:02, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, the one for Orton was the World title, not the WWE title, but it's still a fairly spurious claim if you go back into the actual history of that title and don't just ignore everything before the World/WWE split of the Undisputed title.69.212.127.94 (talk) 02:25, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

cm punks title reigns[edit]

i noticed that it says that cm punk has won the wwe championship 3 times but when i looked on wwe.com in the title reign section it only says that he won the wwe championship 2 times. Not sure if its an error on wikipedia or wwe.com, but just wanted to point it out so you can either make the change or leave it as it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.252.32.154 (talk) 13:51, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Confusion emanates the fact that Punk was the champion at the same time as Mysterio and Cena. Punk won a match to become the undisputed champion, but it's not entirely clear if this counts as his second title reign or a continuation of the first. I'll look into it. – Richard BB 15:37, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
Just checked; WWE officially call him a 2-time champion. I've amended the records to reflect this. – Richard BB 16:03, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

I also noticed that Triple H was the referee for that match. I think he should be added as well50.138.212.177 (talk) 04:18, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Randy Orton WWE Champion 2013[edit]

I have a request that we find a photo of Randy Orton holding the current version of the WWE Championship. The image on the page itself is great, but out of date because of their being a new title belt.

173.18.208.35 (talk) 20:13, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Error in Backlund's cumulative reign - wrong # of total days[edit]

Backlund had 2 (recognized by WWE) reigns - one for 2135 days and one for 3 days. However, the "List of Combined Reigns" table is off, listing him at 3605 days. What appears to have happened is that someone added his 2135 day first reign total with the 1470 days he held it after the Inoki controversy was resolved - an understandable mistake, given the formatting of the table. However, the 2135 includes the 1470 days after the Inoki controversey as well as the time before and during. Thus, in total, he held the title for 2138 days - which actually puts him in 3rd, behind Hogan.

I tried to edit it myself, but I have no experience in so doing and it wasn't turning out correctly, so I have made no changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.137.248.63 (talk) 20:00, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

It didn't have this mistake before as I check this page often. Someone who didn't know what they were doing must have added the days. I don't know what I'm doing, that's why I don't edit all but the most basics of stuff on wikipedia.

173.18.208.35 (talk) 14:28, 27 August 2013 (UTC)


Putting number of defenses and who it was defended against in list[edit]

I think we should add in the list how many times a person defended the title and who they defended the title against while they were champion Dragonwolf21211 (talk) 09:16, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Finding details on this information could be difficult; plus, with champions who reigned for many years, the list could go on forever. Is this really notable enough, or is it in danger of becoming fancruft? — Richard BB 11:22, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

It was just a idea, to maybe help make the list more in depth, like I was seeing on the ufc champions pages, sorry Dragonwolf21211 (talk) 06:16, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Don't apologise; all ideas are appreciated Face-smile.svg I just feel this one is a bit superfluous. Thanks, though! — Richard BB 07:34, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
Would be really hard finding the info for Bruno. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.249.47.201 (talk) 16:59, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
I like the idea of listing defenses, however due to the difficulty of tracking title defenses at dark matches, I would suggest we start off with a more conservative attempt like 'successful retentions at pay-per-views'. This unfortunately means we can't count Sheamus' excellent WWE title defense against Zack Ryder, but sacrifices must be made. Ranze (talk) 01:37, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Temporary protection request[edit]

I think this page should be protected so only admins edit it until next week or the week after because of users constantly changing John Cena's reign from 12 to 15 when in reality the other 3 are only World Heavyweight Championship reigns. This page should have temporary protection until next week or the week after that. Stephen"Zap" (talk) 14:01, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

I've request semi protection, which will prevent IPs from touching the article for awhile.LM2000 (talk) 17:05, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

STAN STASIAK[edit]

IMHO there should be some special recognition/mention of Stan Stasiak in the article. Why? Shortest (legitimate) reign (9 days) as an interim champion. Yes, there are others on the list with shorter reigns, but the 1-day winners are purely show gimmicks. And Mr. M's 6-day reign is really the same (gimmick). Stan's title reign was a real transfer. IMHO if you are going to emphasize the longest reigns, then a mention of the (sentimental favorite) shortest reign is also trivia-worthy. Chesspride 66.19.84.2 (talk) 09:50, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Inoki should just be a note[edit]

WWE published an article about his phantom change: http://www.wwe.com/classics/phantom-title-changes-26076117/page-6 It should be a note, just like Valentine in 1981 or Jericho in 2000. Just like in these cases, the decision was reversed, and since Inoki handed to title back to Backlund, which makes his entire reign invalid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WrestlingLegendAS (talkcontribs) 23:23, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

We had a pretty lengthy discussion like this awhile back with Jack Veneno's reign on List of NWA World Heavyweight Champions. Some phantom reigns were briefly recognized, and still are by other promotions, others (like Hogan's NWA reign and Jericho's WWF) were just Dusty finishes. This summarizes the Inoki WWF reign pretty well. It lasted for almost a week but was never mentioned outside of Japan.LM2000 (talk) 04:14, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Hogan's NWA reign? Don't you mean AWA? And what happens if WWE decides to retroactively recognize the reign? We gonna have a note like "WWE did not recognize this reign until 35 years later?" WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 06:54, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

We had a discussion about a 1979 incident with the NWA belt and Hogan, but his AWA reign doesn't count either. If WWE change their mind then we'll have to reflect that, we have an incident with the List of TNA World Tag Team Champions article where TNA can't decide whether or not to recognize Kaz and Super Eric's reign.LM2000 (talk) 07:22, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

But wikipedia doesn't even mention Hogan's reign, even if AWA rectroactively recognized it, but mentions Inoki's reign, even though the reign was recognized for one week or less.WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 09:12, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

There's a difference between a win being overturned and a reign going unrecognized. Hogan's AWA reigns were both overturned, as was that NWA reign. It was kind of like Jericho's WWF reign, only instead of the decision being reversed in one night it took a week to do so. Inoki and Veneno won the belts clean overseas at a time when they didn't have to worry about international broadcasts, it made the foreign fans happy and they just handed the championships back and the fans in the States never knew about it. Hogan, Jericho and Valentine's situations were all storyline driven Dusty finishes, which is quite different.LM2000 (talk) 20:57, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, but I think unrecognized reigns should just be a note, it looks better. The reign was erased from the record books after Inoki handed the title back to Backlund, which was a storyline too. He was just Champion for the people in Japan, so it kinda looks like a storyline. It's still dusty to me. And it wouldn't hurt the title history to look like the one on wwe.com, except for the notes about unrecognized reigns. After all, WWE are the only guys to say whether he was Champ or not. They recognize the matches in 1979, but don't consider the title win to be legit, so it's more like "didn't happen" than "unrecognized" WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 11:46, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Inoki and Valentine sources[edit]

If someone wants to add these sources: http://www.wwe.com/classics/phantom-title-changes-26076117/page-6 http://www.wwe.com/classics/phantom-title-changes-26076117/page-2 WWE made an article about these title changes.WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 14:26, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Really?[edit]

What's to discuss?

Some want a pic with the belt, some want the current champ, I gave 'em both...what's the big deal?

Why does it have to be one or the other? The current champion is kind of important you know.

Vjmlhds (talk) 23:52, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Hulk didn't win the title at a house show[edit]

"WWF on MSG Network @ Madison Square Garden in New York City, New York, USA"

Or did he? I'm not sure, found this at cagematch.de WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 13:39, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Seth Rollins[edit]

Whoever doesn't like Seth Rollins, stop changing the photo. He's the current champion, and needs to be the current image on this page.

173.23.105.213 (talk) 19:56, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

search confusion[edit]

Sometimes when I type List of WWE World Heavyweight Champions, I can get to this page, and sometimes it takes me to the now defunct WWE world title. apparently the difference maybe caps. Can someone go and change the pathways a bit so it won't be so annoying to navigate. One suggestion, for the other belt, "List of World Heavyweight Champions (WWE)" for one, and "List of WWE World Heavyweight Champions" for the other Because that second option, takes me to the defunct belt sometimes.

173.23.105.213 (talk) 08:36, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks for pointing it out. oknazevad (talk) 17:19, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Unrecognized reigns[edit]

Antonio Inoki's wiki page says at the bottom: 1 ^ Inoki's WWF Heavyweight Championship reign is not officially recognized by WWE. So why is nothing said about Bob Holly's IC title reign on his page?

Should we delete the note on Inoki's page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by WrestlingLegendAS (talkcontribs) 22:39, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

WWE v WHW exclusions[edit]

Formerly there were 2 lists:

What I would like to know is: do we have any specific references for excluding WHW champs from this list?

Has WWE made it clear that only former WWE champs qualify as WWEWHW champs, and that former WHW champs do not?

If so, when and where did they do so? Ranze (talk) 01:33, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

One is the Big Gold Belt and the other is the WWE Championship. The confusing part is that they both have the same names (except for the WWE in front of it). Two different titles, two different lineages, two different lists.WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 17:17, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Yep, and the proof is in the WWE's title history. They consider this the direct continuation of their original championship, with just a name change. oknazevad (talk) 23:28, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Split[edit]

Cole, Michael (22 November 2015). Survivor Series. Sheamus is now a four-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion. This is incredible. This is absolutely stunning. Fourteen thousand plus are stunned in Atlanta. 

As a followup to the previous topic, as I have posted a nomination on the home page, I propose we split this list back to its prior listing of "List of WWE Champions" and only use "List of WWE World Heavyweight Champions" to refer to people from Orton onward who have held this unified title.

Although @Oknazevad: is correct that the WWE considers the WWEWHW title a continuation of the WWE title, Michael Cole's commentary about Sheamus tonight also makes it clear that they also consider it a continuation of the WHW title as well.

For that reason, our chart is misleading, as it implies only people who held the WWE title were former WWEWHW champs. Former WHW champs are also considered former WWEWHW champs though too.

Since merging these charts would just be confusing, we should keep them discrete and lock them in place, and form a new chart, simply noting to refer to the prior charts for people before this. Ranze (talk) 04:25, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

  • No - 2 different titles, 2 different histories Vjmlhds (talk) 04:37, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
    There are 3 different titles. WWE and WHW have their own histories, the WWEWHW unified has its own new history, although it acknowledges both former WWE and former WHW champs as being former WWEWHW champs. Ranze (talk) 04:41, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
No there are not. Official history: [1]. Not a new title. Never has been. Drop the idea, please. oknazevad (talk) 04:49, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
That chart is not all-inclusive. Even that page says "melding the two most vital championship lineages". Former WHW champions are consistently cited as being former WWEWHW champs. We see this in WWE.com calling Cena a 15-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion and we hear this with Cole calling Sheamus a 4-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion.
To support your theory that being absent on that chart means you're absolutely not a former WWEWHW you will need more assertive proof. Ranze (talk) 04:58, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
I'm sorry, that's ridiculous. The official championship history at the official website is as definitive and assertive proof as you can get. This has become tendentious editing alread, and it barely over an hour. oknazevad (talk) 05:21, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
We tend to not use commentators as reliable sources because they are prone to misspeak. The official championship history posted on the company's website is about as cut and dry as it gets. oknazevad's version is the correct version.LM2000 (talk) 05:50, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

You guys keep bringing up http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/wwe-world-heavyweight-championship which says nothing about its chart being all-inclusive. A champion being absent on this chart does not mean they are not considered a WWE World Heavyweight Champion by the WWE. It in fact says:

WWE Champion Randy Orton defeated World Heavyweight Champion John Cena to unify the two titles, melding the two most vital championship lineages

It explicitly tells us the lineages are merged. This means that people on http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/worldheavyweight are also considered former WWE World Heavyweight Champions. Sources from WWE calling Cena 15-time WWEWHW and Orton 12-time WWEWHW and Sheamus 4-time WWEWHW all confirm this. Ranze (talk) 06:10, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Another good reason to start an entirely new table: http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/wwe-world-heavyweight-championship/20131027-randy-orton explicitly says this:

The Viper defeated World Heavyweight Champion John Cena in a brutal Tables, Ladders & Chairs Match to claim both titles and become the first-ever WWE World Heavyweight Champion.

So although the lineages merged and past WWE/WHW reigns count toward multi-reign tallies, Orton is still considered the first of a new championship tier. Ranze (talk) 06:58, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Andre and Rey and Roman[edit]

Since all 3 are under one day could we list the specific minutes/seconds so it's clear who is the shortest-reigning champion? Ranze (talk) 03:10, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

The list is alphabetical except for those people that have a reign less than a day because André's reign was the shortest, so that's the difference there. Rey's reigns was about an hour and André's was less than 2 minutes, and now Reigns has the title so that doesn't matter anymore. Aleuuhhmsc (talk) 02:03, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
I prefer Alphabetical. The parameter is days, not hours or minutes. Rey and Andre had minus one day. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:58, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
I agree with HHH. The chart is total days as champion; being less than a day each makes André and Rey equal. So it should be straight alphabetical. That André's reign is considered the shortest overall is covered in the statistics section of the infobox.
Which is my answer to the original question: let's just keep them at days so we have consistent units. Not only because sorting the chart would otherwise be incorrect, but also because the the chart is about the entire history, not just comparing the shortest reigns. In other words, to modify the chart for the one end ignores the fact the chart also has tow count for Bruno Samartino. oknazevad (talk) 13:12, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
Wouldn't you then be keen to say that Rey had the absolute shortest reign due to the fact that he is at the bottom of the chart? Aleuuhhmsc (talk) 22:25, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
In addition we are listing reigns as a statistic in the tables so I would have reigns take precedence in a tie. Aleuuhhmsc (talk) 22:30, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
To answer the first, I could see that, but not definitively. After all, the alphabetical order is pretty obvious, and the stats are at the top of the page. As for the second part, which way is the tie being broken? While having more reigns sounds more impressive (hi Ric Flair!) but having a total of days in fewer reigns means more uninterrupted time as champ. oknazevad (talk) 22:33, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
I do see that, it's impressive to have more time as champ uninterrupted, or have won the championship more times. You could argue either way to be truthful. But I feel like the numbers should take precedence. I mean the time that the wrestlers hold the championship is the exact same, so it would seem a bit more special to have held the title more times. In a data table, the numbers should always go first. Aleuuhhmsc (talk) 22:45, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

WWE 'World Heavyweight' Championship[edit]

I know that the WWE commentators have been mentioning that Cena is a "15-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion" and most recently at Survivor Series, Sheamus a "4-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion". So what I have done is made a table on my sandbox, User:Aleuuhhmsc/sandbox, in which I have added up the reigns and days for both the WWE Championships and the World Heavyweight Championship, but I have not posted it on here because I figured people would lash out at me. So someone give me the green light or the red light on if I should insert it there. Aleuuhhmsc (talk) 22:42, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm going to say not to. It's only going to confuse things with respect to the separate title histories. We've has too many issues with that already. oknazevad (talk) 00:36, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Please don't. There is a strong consensus that the title histories are separate at Talk:WWE World Heavyweight Championship#WHW contributes to reign total, combining them is confusing and pointless.LM2000 (talk) 00:45, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
This, http://www.wwe.com/superstars/johncena , says John Cena is a 15-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion (12-time WWE Champion & 3-time World Heavyweight Champion). This, http://www.wwe.com/superstars/tripleh , says Triple H is a 13-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion (8-time WWE Champion & 5-time World Heavyweight Champion). I don't know about you but I would put this conversation back on the table. Hell, it shouldn't really hurt anyone if I just add the table I have in my sandbox. Aleuuhhmsc (talk) 04:31, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
The Triple H profile says 13-time world champion, not "WWE World Heavyweight Champion". Please see the discussion the LM2000 linked to. I am sorry to see your efforts go to waste, but they're based on a factually incorrect assumption. oknazevad (talk) 05:36, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Seth Rollins' reign[edit]

Ok so I remember that the day the news was released about the title being vacated was November 5, the day after the house show, effectively ending Rollins' reign at 221 days. However, WWE.com's title history says that the title was vacated on the day of the house show, which ends the reign at 220 days (here is the link: http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/wwe-world-heavyweight-championship/20150329-seth-rollins ). I'm going with 220 just because that's what WWE.com says, and I don't really mind what we stick with to be honest, I just want to know what you guys think. Aleuuhhmsc (talk) 21:38, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

That does pretty much make it official, though I would personally tell WWE they made an error there and it wasn't really vacant until the announcement the next day. But as it's their title, if they want to say it was vacant from when the injury was suffered, that's their call. oknazevad (talk) 22:28, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
Haha that doesn't really help Aleuuhhmsc (talk) 01:50, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Undisputed Championship names[edit]

Hi guys. I was rewatching clips of old shows (Raw, SmackDown, and pay per views) when the WWF/WWE Championship and the World Championship was first unified (from December 2001 to September 2002) as the Undisputed Championship, and notice it was called as such:

December 9, 2001-May 6, 2002: Undisputed WWF Championship May 6, 2002-May 19, 2002: Undisputed WWE Championship May 19, 2002-September 2, 2002: WWE Undisputed Championship

So while we got "December 9, 2001-May 6, 2002: Undisputed WWF Championship" correct, but for May 6, 2002-September 2, 2002, there were two different periods: one where WWE put its initial after Undisputed: May 6, 2002-May 19, 2002 and another where WWE put it before Undisputed: May 19, 2002-September 2, 2002. Do you guys want two distinct time period or keep it the same? Seasrmar (talk) 21:26, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

World Heavywieght Championship[edit]

It is listed as the WWE World Heavywieght Championship. Until WWE changes it on their own site then the name should remain the same as that is what the source says http://www.wwe.com/superstars Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 03:31, 28 June 2016 (UTC

They have officially changed the name back to the WWE Championship — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.239.8 (talk) 19:22, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes we know hence the reason the page will be changed after lock down is lifted Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 16:02, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Any idea when lockdown is going to be lifted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.239.8 (talk) 00:03, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 30 June 2016[edit]


71.60.102.11 (talk) 15:31, 30 June 2016 (UTC) WWE is calling the championship the WWE Championship, so change all references of the title from WWE World Heavyweight Championship to WWE Championship.

Change will be made after lock down is lifted on the 1st. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 16:00, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Article is not currently protected. Removing tag. Nakon 04:32, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Why can't this page be moved?[edit]

I tried several times to move this page to "List of WWE Champions", but every time it said this page could not be moved. With the name of the championship being changed back to WWE Championship, the name of this page should be changed as well. If anyone knows why a move couldn't be made, I'd like to know. OldSkool01 (talk) 05:30, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

It appears that someone screwed up when trying to move it yesterday (anon's can't move pages), and instead edited the redirect, and pages can't be moved over a redirect with more than the redirect's creation in their edit history. You could easily file a technical request at WP:RM, as there's no opposition to the move. oknazevad (talk) 11:16, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
Ok. I put in a move request. I don't think anyone will contest the move, but with some WP editors, you never know. Thanks. OldSkool01 (talk) 16:37, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Mr. Mcmahon or Vince[edit]

See the following talk page as this issue has already been discussed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:WWE_Championship#Vince_McMahon_or_Mr._McMahon.3F.3F.3F Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 18:45, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Who's the Champ? Rollins or Ambrose?[edit]

https://twitter.com/WWENetwork/status/755238292639985666

18th July 2016 episode of Raw ended controversially. Stephanie announced Seth as the champion, then Raw went off air. On the Network, Lilian Garcia confirmed the match was a draw, thus Ambrose is still the champion. DanTheStripe (talk) 03:20, 19 July 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanTheStripe (talkcontribs) 03:17, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

I would go with the network for now.--174.91.187.80 (talk) 03:29, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
It's decisively Ambrose: http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/july-18-2016#full-detail-40008502Richard BB 16:00, 19 July 2016 (UTC)