Talk:List of archaeological periods (North America)

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Woodland Dates[edit]

In regard to the dates of the Woodland period in the East- any date is arbitrary, but the 0 AD date is traditional in archaeology. The 300 BC date previously used in this list is accurate for parts of Georgia and Florida, but not the Mississippi valley, not exactly Ohio, and not the Tennessee valley. 0 AD is a compromise and an approximation. I prefer to use it for convenience when speaking generally, and give accurate dates for specific areas (i.e. ~ 200 BC for Ohio Hopewell, ~0 AD for Marksville, etc.). I have also changed the Woodland period article to match with this, following Judith Bense's general book (which I added to the references). I welcome counter arguments, but I think this is in line with archaeological opinion and best represents the cultural changes occurring. TriNotch 02:24, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Five Stage Classification[edit]

Because this page is supposed to be a list, I have placed the complete information on Willey and Phillips' stages in Archaeology of the Americas, and made this part much more list-like. I think this is a superior organization. TriNotch 07:22, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

What next?[edit]

Now that the article has stabilized after I dumped all those Florida cultures in, I'm trying to see if there is a way to integrate them in. I moved the Deptford, Swift Creek and Santa Rosa-Swift Creek cultures to the Woodland period, as that seems to be where they belong. The Weeden Island cultures are a problem. Some sources describe them as proto-Mississippian, but they were contemporaneous with late Middle Woodland and early Late Woodland and ended shortly before the Mississippian period. The cultures in eastern and southern Florida are described as developing directly from the Archaic period outside of the Woodland-Mississippian sequence. There are hints of simlarities to cultures on the coastal plain in Georgia and the Carolinas. All of the Florida cultures, some going back to late Archaic, built mounds, but are most are not classified as Mississippian (The Fort Walton culture may be, I haven't checked yet).

So now, I haven't found a source that pulls this together, and my attempts to make sense of all this seems to be getting into original research. Does anyone know of any sources that would help sort this out? -- Donald Albury(Talk) 14:07, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Pacific Northwest and Plateau[edit]

Noticed there's no section for these important areas; I'd come around looking as there's no entries on Xa:ytem Rock (9000BP), Keatley Creek (7000BP) or other important sites in this area (new one just got found near my old home, older than Xa:ytem). Anyway, I'm no archaeologist, just a participant in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Indigenous_peoples_of_North_America the WikiProject Indigenous Peoples of North America]. Having a look at the "obverse" page here, and since it's summer semester, I'll try and write Brian Hayden at SFU to see if he can contribute a basic article on his sites (Keatley is the most famous, but not the only one) and the proper regional timeline to go with your other regional timelines overleaf. Xa:ytem Rock is native-run and will likely assign someone to (gladly) write the Wikipedia article; there's also another interesting site, the Scowlitz Mounds, on Harrison Bay, which has as yet no conclusive results; there is no other mound or pyramid culture on the Pacific Coast anywhere north of Mexico. The local Chehalis (part of the Sto:lo) themselves do not know what they mounds are, or who built them; one strange bit about them is they have log structures inside the dirt mound, but not to support a cavity or room/chamber; more on these when I find current materials. There's also an emergent issue concerning underwater archaeology here and the old shoreline, which was 100m lower; a few habitation sites have already been found; what else might be is anyone's guess.Skookum1 16:44, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Another table of lists[edit]

I've been working on another table to replace the one for the Lower Yazoo phases. It has Cahokia phases and dates, as well as Ohio/ Mississippi Confluence phaseses and dates. I can't quit get all of the code right and was wondering if someone would like to help me out. I was also wondering if anyone thought it would be a worthwhile add to the page. Thanks in advance.

Culture, phase, and chronological table for the Mississippi Valley[edit]

Lower Mississippi Periods Lower Yazoo Phase Lower Yazoo
Tensas/Natchez Phase Cahokia Phases Cahokia Dates Ohio/Miss. River Dates
Historic Russell 1650 - 1750 CE Tensas/Natchez Vacant
1350 CE -
European Contact
Jackson Phase 1500-1650 CE
Plaquemine/Mississippian culture
Late Plaquemine/Mississippian
Middle Plaquemine/Mississippian
Early Plaquemine/Mississippian
Wasp Lake 1400-1650 CE Translyvania/Emerald
Lake George 1300-1400 CE Fitzhugh/Foster Sand Prairie 1275-1350 CE Medley Phase 1300-1500 CE
Winterville 1200-1300 CE Routh/Anna Moorehead 1200-1275 CE Dorena Phase 1100-1300 CE
Transitional Coles Creek Crippen Point 1050-1200 CE Preston/Gordon Lohmann
1050-1200 CE
Coles Creek culture
Late Coles Creek
Middle Coles Creek
Early Coles Creek
Kings Crossing 950-1050 CE Balmoral Terminal Late
900 - 1050 CE James Bayou
900-1100 CE
Aden 800-950 CE Ballina
Bayland 600-800 CE Sundown Late
400 - 900 CE Cane Hills Phase
Berkley Phase
600 - 900 CE
400 - 600 CE
Baytown culture
Baytown 2
Baytown 1
Deasonville 500-600 CE Marsden
Little Sunflower 400-500 CE Indian Bayou
Marksville culture
Late Marksville
Early Marksville
Issaquena 200-400 CE Issaquena Middle
200 BCE - 400 CE La Plant
100 BCE-400 CE
550-100 BCE
0-200 CE Point Lake/
Grand Gulf
Tchefuncte culture Tuscola 400 BCE-0 CE Panther Lake
Jaketown Poverty Point 700- 400 BCE Frasier Early Woodland 700-200 BCE O'Bryan Ridge 700-550 BCE
- 1000-700 BCE - Late Archaic 1000 - 200 BCE

Lower Mississippi, Lower Yazoo, and Tensas/Natchez table taken from "Emerging Patterns of Plum Bayou Culture:Preliminary Investigations of the Toltec Mounds Research Project", by Martha Ann Rolingson, 1982, Pg-66. [1] Cahokia phases and dates taken from "Ancient Cahokia and the Mississippians", by Timothy Pauketat, 2004, Pp-6. [2]. Ohio and Mississippi River Confluence Phases and dates taken from "Kentucky Archaeology", edited by R. Barry Lewis, 1996, Pg - 16. [3]

Well, thats it, with my list of references too. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 06:38, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

BC vs BCE-over turn of stable style that has been in place for 5 years as opposed to one month of the other usage[edit]

This article has been stable in its current usage for literally almost five years, since this edit [1] on 20 March 2006 when it was put into table form less than a month after the page was created. Now, it has been unilaterally overturned by on editor [2]. Per WP:ERA,is there consensus amongst the regular editors of this page to keep the BCE usage that has been in place on this page? Heiro 07:18, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Considering the subject matter of this list, BCE is definitely the appropriate usage in it. -- Donald Albury 10:55, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Lower Mississippi Middle Archaic sites[edit]

Somehow we need to show the finds of multiple-mound complexes in Louisiana related to the Middle and Late Archaic period - the complex products of pre-ceramic, hunter-gatherer cultures in North America, who in some cases occupied the sites they built only on a seasonal basis. Examples for Middle Archaic are Watson Brake (3500 BCE), and Poverty Point (1500 BCE) for Late Archaic.Parkwells (talk) 14:00, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

You could always try fleshing out the Archaic period in the Americas article, which has been a dismal stub for years , plus Early, Middle and Late Archaic have been redlinks in this chart for years, if you found enough you could start them. I noticed a similar hole in the Mississippi Valley stuff and have managed to fill in half of it so far. Heiro 16:14, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
I was just noticing that the Late Archaic Stallings culture of Georgia/South Carolina and the related Orange culture[3] (northeast Florida) and Norwood culture (northwest Florida) cultures are missing. Yes, there does seem to be some work to do here. -- Donald Albury 14:59, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
I correctly linked your post, hope you don't mind DA, just for clarity. Heiro 15:41, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Actually, I left them unlinked because I knew there was no article for the Orange culture, and didn't realize that there was one for the Norwood culture. It was Parkwells who added the incorrect links. That is another one of my dormant projects, creating articles for all of the cultures that have been located in or near Florida. -- Donald Albury 22:00, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
As I try to sort out regional cultures to include in this list, things get sort of murky. I find the following in Milanich's Archaeology of Precolumbian Florida: The Late Archaic ceramic Orange culture was preceded by the non-ceramic Mount Taylor culture. In the panhandle of Florida there was the Elliott's Point complex, apparently related to Poverty Point. There were as yet unnamed Late Archaic ceramic cultures in the greater Tampa Bay area and in Southwest Florida. There was also the Middle to Late Archaic pre-ceramic year-round settlement at Horr's Island in Southwest Florida. It also looks like the Stallings and Norwood cultures were replaced by the Deptford culture at the end of the Archaic, while the Orange culture was replaced by the St. Johns culture, which makes me wonder just how distinct the Stallings, Orange and Norwood cultures were. I think we need to be careful trying to incorporate Archaic regional cultures into this table. Maybe we should push that to the Archaic period article and confine this article to post-Archaic cultures. -- Donald Albury 03:18, 10 November 2011 (UTC)