Talk:List of best-selling singles/Archive 2

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Poker Face

I'm sorry that this is technically against the rules but isn't it safe to assume that the song has sold 10 million copies... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.216.225 (talk) 18:04, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the IFPI is citing far more than singles, so it probably hasn't actually sold 9.8 million singles. They count ringtones, video, and "all versions of the song", meaning sold as part of an album or remix package. Abrazame (talk) 18:17, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Baby One more time

Baby one more time has sold 14 million singles worldwide but on the list is says 9 million so i change it to 14 and then one minute later someone changes it to nine million. And plus Tik Tok DID NOT sell 12.8 million copies, just saying. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caterers (talkcontribs) 00:43, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Lady Gaga

Where are Bad Romance and Telephone? They were just there a while ago supported by the IFPI. If this is some lame joke by a Britney fan then it's not funny, please revert it. http://www.ifpi.org/content/section_resources/dmr2011.html Here it is, if no one adds it I'll do it myself, thank you.--GagaLittleMonster (talk) 11:34, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Categorization of "Paper Doll"

I was under the impression that the Mills Brothers were a jazz and pop quartet, and had nothing to do with country music. Although their single "Paper Doll" may have been popular with country artists, I wonder if there was a source used to categorize this song as "country" in this article? If not, I wonder if a source can be found to verify its proper genre. (Yes, it would be unfair to have sources to verify each of the songs on the list; it seems to be fairly accurate otherwise with listings by genre.) [[Briguy52748 (talk) 20:09, 18 April 2011 (UTC)]]

kylie minouge

hello i doubt that Kylie sold anything like that for the single all the lovers. doesnt add up with the chart positions and sales window. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.5.32.115 (talk) 21:47, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Left Outside Alone

can you add it in this list? has sold more than 5 million copies--AccendiLaLuce (talk) 16:01, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

sick and tired too, but 4...i add them with source. it is 2004, then it is assumed that in any case continue to sell --AccendiLaLuce (talk) 16:14, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Enrique Iglesias

would you check out his singles sales WW?

i think he has some singles sold more than 5 million!!

and i think the sales claimed for shakira singles are not reliable at all she doesnt have even 20% of that sales certifited!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Farid1374 (talkcontribs) 17:10, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Mediatraffic.de points are not a representation of singles sales

It is an unofficial, amateur, and inconsistent self-determiner of "points" that takes other things into account. For a fuller explanation, please read Talk:List of best-selling singles worldwide/Archive 1#Mediatraffic.de points are not a representation of singles sales. Abrazame (talk) 23:34, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

I Like It has sold more than 5!!!

According to this link you can now add it on the list!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Farid1374 (talkcontribs) 13:13, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

To The Fans of Music Artists

This list is for verifiable, supported claims only. This is not somewhere you can just put in a random sales figure because "it has to have sold that much by now." It's also not acceptable to just make up a sales figure fo your favorite artist. Find a reliable source or don't add the song. MusicMonster96 (talk) 23:44, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Viva La Vida

Just noticed that Coldplay's 2008 song Viva La Vida isn't on the list. It has sold over 5 million copies in the U.S. alone, so it fits the criteria to be here.

Here's a link: http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart_watch/74378/week-ending-june-22-2011-bad-teenage-dreams/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.51.164.8 (talk) 01:10, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 27 October 2011

Aqua - 1997 - "Barbie Girl". 8 million singles worldwide

85.233.255.208 (talk) 21:10, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

 Not done I would do it and I know that this song was sold often, but do you have a reference for that? Even the article Barbie Girl doesn't have a reference for that! mabdul 19:58, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Oh even if I count the sales together of the sales charts (platinum, etc) then I only get ~2.5 million... mabdul 20:01, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Me against the Music and Oops! I did it again by Britney Spears

Me against the music sold 5.3 Million and Oops! I did it again sold 5.9 Million worldwide, so they need to be added — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.33.75.217 (talk) 13:13, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Order

Um, shouldn't this list be in descending order of sales? I know you can sort on that column, but really it should come up like that by default since that is the way 99% of people will want to see it 99% of the time. 81.159.109.119 (talk) 04:20, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

I agree, the order should be by sales rather than in alphabetical order... It just makes more sense that way! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akihironihongo (talkcontribs) 09:29, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Broken refs

  1. I've fixed one broken named ref, but there are others which are used but which were never defined.
  2. There are also duplicate, unnamed refs to the same .PDF document which should become named refs.
  3. And I'm questioning if the named refs are attached to the correct DMR####.PDF document as the years seem to be criss-crossed.

I'm not sure if these are simple wiki typos, but because of the edit history it was not clear when each of these were broken. — MrDolomite • Talk 13:09, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

adele

Seeing as both 'Rolling in the Deep' and 'Someone like you' have both sold over 5 million worldwide (rolling in the deep had sold more than that in the US alone) should they not be added? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jarps01 (talkcontribs) 23:51, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Book of Golden Discs and suspicious 2011 entries

Can someone explain to me how this book works? Is it updated every year or something? I'm trying to understand exactly how this book supposedly managed to list some of the best-selling songs from 2011 but not others. Also, I find it hard to believe Moves Like Jagger outsold Rolling in the Deep by .7 million when this list (among others) seems to indicate otherwise. Also, several of these 2011 entries are un-cited. SamZR (talk) 07:12, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

MARIAH CAREY ALL I WANT FOR CHRISTMAS IS YOU is one of best selling singles worldwide

All I Want For Christmas Is You by Mariah Carey got over 2,5 million certified sales in USA and 2 million certified sales in Japan ! Then It reach over 5 sales globally ,so it should be included in this list . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.190.1.45 (talk) 22:53, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

"Eye of the Tiger"

According to the RIAA database, this is what the song has sold in the U.S.:

Artist - Title - Release date - Certification date - Format - Certification level

SURVIVOR - EYE OF THE TIGER - October 01, 2003 - April 24, 2008 - Digital - PLATINUM (since it is after 1989, 1 million)

SURVIVOR - EYE OF THE TIGER (INSTRUMENTAL) - August 28, 2004 - June 15, 2007 - Mastertone - GOLD (since it is after 1989, 0.5 million)

SURVIVOR - EYE OF THE TIGER - May 31, 1982 - October 26, 1994 - Standard - 2.00x MULTI PLATINUM (since it is after 1989, 2 million)

SURVIVOR - EYE OF THE TIGER - May 31, 1982 - August 23, 1982 - Standard - PLATINUM (since it is before 1989, 2 million)(this may be a repeat of the previous one) (http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?artist=%22Eye+of+the+Tiger%22)

French certifications:

Artist - Title - Release date - Certification level - Certification date - Certified sales SURVIVOR - Eye Of The Tiger - 1982 - Gold - 1982 - 0.5 million (http://www.infodisc.fr/S_Certif_Or.php?debut=450

British certifications:

SURVIVOR - EYE OF THE TIGER Gold Certification (since it is after 1989,0.5 million) (Single) Wednesday, September 01, 1982 Released Friday, July 02, 1982 (http://www.bpi.co.uk/certifiedawards/search.aspx)

If all the certifications are added, they ammount to either 4.5 million or 6.5 million if the 2 million RIAA possible repeat is considered two separate certifications. Mauri96 01:15, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

The song has already been added with a reliable Google Books source claiming 5 million in sales. Mauri96 (talk) 17:38, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

The Book of Golden Discs by Joseph Murrells

My information states that this book was published in 1974 with a second edition (presumably updated) in 1978. I find that Murrells published another book in 1984, apparently updated in 1985, called Million selling records from the 1900s to the 1980s. Logic suggests that with the second book in print, the first would not have been updated past 1978, as the second book would seem to essentially supplant the first. Yet in at least one occasion at this list (a recent edit to the 2001 "Can't Get You Out of My Head" is the one which caused me to look into this), the 1974-8 book is cited for records released since then. My observations at this article are that anonymous editors often simply copy-and-paste a nearby ref and substitute the information for their favorite song, while not substituting a new reference. I would like to give a window of time to interested editors to see if they can find a much more recent edition of Murrells' Golden Discs, after which I propose that we replace that ref with cite tags on any record released after 1978 with that book as its ref, and do not allow any further additions of such. Abrazame (talk) 00:03, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

I hope to have the new edition arrive in next two weeks from Amazon. And will update this page accordingly Eight88 (talk) 08:03, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Great to hear! Thanks for your interest! By new edition, do you mean the 1978 or the 1985 book? Abrazame (talk) 09:22, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
It is actually "Million Selling Records-1900s to 1980's" ISBN 0-668-06461-7 - and having received it, it is a great dissappointment for any new singles since his old book. It mostly states UK and US sales, not a global total. But I will ref check all those already on the list with the book Eight88 (talk) 01:49, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
I hear ya. Presuming that some perennially successful catalog singles would have sold up to an additional threshold since then (but without a newer ref), we should make a footnote of which songs are referenced to sources two to three decades old, and which are U.S. and UK sales only. Abrazame (talk) 22:30, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
I've been undertaking a massive project to look up every song that references the book for its sales at the Google Books version of the book here. As of today (February 24th) I've removed around 5-8 references to the book, in all cases replacing with another reference that clearly states how much the song sold. I still have some 39 references to go. :/ Mauri96 (talk) 00:47, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Shakira

  • Underneath your Clothes with sales of over 9 million copies worldwide
  • "La Tortura" is currently the highest-selling only-Spanish language digital track in United States at 804,000 downloads and the biggest-selling Spanish language track of the decade with sales of over 5 million copies worldwide

hips dont lie sold more than 13 millon copies worldwide and is the most selling song in the decade — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.106.169.108 (talk) 17:20, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Where is Michael Jackson?

Michael Jackson is described elsehere in wiki land as the third biggest recording artist of all time (after The Beatles and Elvis), yet he doesn't appear here at all. I can only think of an anecdote told by a coworker about the time he visited his daugher working for the peace corps in niger - no electricity, no running water, no vehicles, indeed no sign of "modern" civilization whatsoever - yet one afternoon, he heard some music that sounded vaguely familiar. he walked around the village looking for the source and finally found some old man sitting at the opening of his hut with a beatup cassette player listening to Thriller. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.158.61.141 (talk) 19:56, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

The songs Black or White and Billie Jean used to be on this list. Billie Jean was removed ages ago and I have no idea what happened to Black or White. In any case, there are two explanations to why so few of Michael's songs sold 5 million+.
First of all, back in the 80's, single sales were not as big as album sales, so few sources, newspaper quotes and other traces exist of single sales from that time.
Second of all, as a consequence or cause of the first thing, around 70-90% of Michael Jackson's certified sales (as in gold, platinum, multi-platinum) are for his albums; Thriller alone has nearly 43 million in certifications. He doesn't really have a lot in single certifications.
I'll see if I can find sources for those two songs and maybe Beat It, and You Are Not Alone and Don't Stop Till You Get Enough. Mauri96 (talk) 17:32, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
I've been looking through Michael's certifications, and if you add in this source and the certifications he has for mastertones, both "Billie Jean" and "Beat It" have over 5 million in sales and "Thriller" has around 5.6 million. Mauri96 (talk) 00:59, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Physical-era singles VS. Digital-era singles: We need new rule?

I notice that this page is completely flooded with recent songs. After digital era began in 2005, nowadays, selling 5 million copies for a single is not hard to achieve. In 1989, Madonna's "Like a Prayer" was the best-selling single of the year, yet it only sold 5 million (physical singles). In 2011, we have nine songs with sales of 5 million (digital singles) per IFPI report. I think it is really unfair and WP:RECENT. What do you all think? Do we need a different rule for singles between pre and post digital era? Bluesatellite (talk) 04:57, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Good point, we could try ro make something like the list of best-selling albums in the Nielsen SounScan era. I would separate the article into "Best-selling digital singles" and "Best-selling physical singles" sections. After all, there used to be separate sections for 5-9.9 million copies 10-20 million copies, etc.
However, there may end up being a problem with songs released between 2000-2005 that may have sold a little of both.
By the way, I was the one who tagged the list as showing signs of recentism. :D Mauri96 (talk) 16:45, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
I've already gotten a start on separating the physical and digital singles here. If anyone wants to go ahead and make the split, you are welcome to do so. Mauri96 (talk) 22:08, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
I will now make the split. Mauri96 (talk) 06:03, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Returning to the issue of where to put songs released in the mid 2000's, it is worth noting that in the U.S., the last song to sell 1 million physical copies was "I Want You" and the first to sell 1 million digital downloads was "Hollaback Girl". Mauri96 (talk) 14:52, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

ABBA - Fernando

it is written that ABBA's Fernando sold 6 million copies; however, the link indicates it sold 10 million copies worldwide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.157.154.117 (talk) 22:29, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

AOBTD

"Another One Bites the Dust"? 7-8 million copies sold. 82.141.159.112 21:59, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

I also added it. You're welcome.--Mauri96 (talk) 04:43, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Bohemian Rhapsody

Bohemian Rhapsody ? --89.239.145.5 12:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I added it in. :) --Mauri96 (talk) 04:43, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Culture Club

I find it hard to believe "Karma Chameleon" is nowhere on the list. That's song was extemely popular like in 1983/1984 and a major international hit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 (talk) 19:43, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I added "Karma Chameleon" in as well.--Mauri96 (talk) 04:43, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Where the... is all the Michael Jackson singles?

Where is Thriller, Beat It, Billie Jean, Black or White, You Are Not Alone, We Are the World, Bad, The Way You Make Me Feel, Earth Song...? Maads (talk) 18:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

"We Are The World", "Billie Jean" and "Black or White" are on the list, with sales levels of 20, 7, and 8 million respectively. The two Jackson titles have no references, and could potentially be tagged and later removed. The charity single is sourced to an unacceptable reference (see TSORT post above) and so needs a better ref as well. If you can find notable references (not fansite claims or fan-blog boasts) supporting a worldwide sales claim of more than five million, or national certifications that add up to more than five million, then feel free to cut-and-paste the links here and someone will check them and add them to the list if you're unable to do so yourself. Abrazame (talk) 00:45, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
"We Are the World", "Beat It", "Billie Jean" and "Thriller" have all been added to the list (the last two were removed before 2012) with notable references. I still can't find sources for "Black or White" and "You Are Not Alone". The rest I believe did not sell the minimum 5 million, but by all means add them if you can find (a) reputable third-party source(s) or notable references, whichever you prefer.--Mauri96 (talk) 04:43, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request from 24.10.246.151, 12 December 2010

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|Ashanti ||"["Foolish", ]]" || 2002 || R&B || 7.2 || 24.10.246.151 (talk) 16:40, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Please provide a WP:RS. --Funandtrvl (talk) 18:03, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
I added the song to the list with "Genie in a Bottle" 's source.--Mauri96 (talk) 04:43, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Where is Genie in a Bottle?

--2811Butterfly (talk) 21:50, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

It was added in sometime between you posting ^that^ and me writing this--Mauri96 (talk) 04:43, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

ABBA, Baccara

  I think that I know how Wikipedia works, now. As long as a claim can be Linked to a Book, or Article, that claim is

added here as 'Fact'. Thus, because Joseph Murrells Book, gave 18 Million Sales to Baccara's 'Yes Sir I Can Boogie', it is Listed here as having 18 Million Sales. The fact that the claim is ludicrous is of no consequence. The Baccara Single sold 4 to 5 Million Globally. It was not even a Hit in the USA - pretty hard to even sell over 5 Million without USA Sales. It had sold 3 Million in Continental Europe, before becoming a UK Hit. With UK Sales, & Irish Sales, etc., it sold 1 to 2 Million more copies. Where the extra 13 Million to 14 Million Sales have come from, I do not know! Maybe it was also a Hit in Atlantis, Fairyland, & Wonderland!

  As for ABBA - Their biggest Seller is 'Dancing Queen'. It is now on about 7 Million Sales - with Downloads added in.

By the end of 1992, it was on over 6 Million Sales. You are using the fact that Joseph Murrels gave it 3 Million Sales in his Book. In fact, they were Sales given out at the end of 1976. It was still in many Global Charts at that time.

  It had only just started climbing the USA Charts. It went to No.1 there in 1977. It sold well over a Million there.

Mr. Murrels included Zero of its 1977 Global Sales in his 3 Million Total.

  But, Wikipedia grossly over-estimates the Sales of the Baccara Hit, & grossly under-estimates those of the ABBA

Hit. As such, I've long realised that it is fatal to use Wikipedia as a reference for anything.

  I get the impression that if there was an Article saying that Noddy was once the King Of Denmark, Wikipedia would

put that as a Fact, in the Enid Blyton section - because you could Link to the Article! I find it very hard to take Wikipedia seriously. Especially on Music & Chart 'Facts'. (LOL!)82.22.125.117 (talk) 11:12, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Sadly, it is Wikipedia's policy to do what you have described above. Users like myself and Harout72 have tried to be bit more realistic and add, say, certification requirements for an artist's sales or for an album's sales.
I have a feeling a certification requirement box would be disastrous here because two of the world's largest music markets, the U.S. and the U.K., had little in the way of sales tracking above a simple "Platinum" certification until single sales picked up with songs like "I Will Always Love You" and virtually all mega-hits in the past few years.--Mauri96 (talk) 04:43, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Hikaru Utada - Flavor of Life

First of all, her official "stage name" as printed on future releases is Hikaru Utada, not Utada Hikaru, according to her article here on Wikipedia. More importantly, Flavor of Life has sold 8,000,000 copies as of the most recent source, dated May 13, 2008. Sales of tracks from Heart Station, according to barks.jp —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.28.105.66 (talk) 20:22, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Done. I updated the sales using your same reasoning.--Mauri96 (talk) 05:50, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

I think these singles have sold more than 5 million:

I Like It:5 milliom(last years WW sales was about 4.9 so up to now surely it has sold more than 5)

Hero: 8 million or more(in 2001 it sold more than 3 and year after more than 4 and up to now may more than 9)

Bailamos: 5 (in 1999 it sold more than 4 million and of course till now it has reached 5)

so please add them and if you're not sure check it out yourself from a reliable source may be like meditraffic.de--Farid1374 (talk) 19:10, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

I think even if we dont rely on mediatraffic(as i see most of the singles sales claims likes of shakira is claimed by meditraffic) these singles and even some other singles of enrique Iglesias has sold more than 5 million!!!!!!!!!
just try to find a reliable source or check it from the data bases!!! and i think one the resons that you dont know about his single sales is bcuz his sales at those particular years was not in the top ten. but even those PDF files sales claims is really close to meditraffic and with some gusses you can add those singles of Enrique!!!!!!!!!!--Farid1374 (talk) 10:17, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
"I Like It" has been added. I don't know about the other songs though. They don't seem to have almost any sources for their sales. It seems that like 70% of websites that mention Enrique Iglesias' single sales only mention "I Like It"--Mauri96 (talk) 05:50, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

WHERE IS KELLY CLARKSON'S "BECAUSE OF YOU" ?!

the title says it all... by now the song must have sold over 10 million copies worldwide ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.178.240.211 (talk) 21:26, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

As of 2010, "Because of You" has only sold 1.465 million digital downloads in the U.S., where 82% of the song's certifications come from. In other words, it is very unlikely the song has sold anything past 3 million copies worldwide.
Not even "My Life Would Suck Without You", which has sold 2.601 million copies in the U.S., could make it on the list, since it only has 0.43 million in non-U.S. certifications. Sorry.--Mauri96 (talk) 22:37, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Need You Now

NYN was certified for 5 mio. copies sold in the USA, for 70k in Australia and 15k in NZ. The result is 5,085,000 which makes it eliable to be included in the list. Please include it! --79.199.19.192 (talk) 00:50, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Avicennasis @ 01:27, 4 Av 5771 / 4 August 2011 (UTC)
The song was added.--Mauri96 (talk) 00:53, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Too many newer songs

I have gotten tired of seeing this trend in this list. Just because we're in the 2010s doesn't mean we can completely forget about past decades. Chances are there are at least 4 to 15 songs from the 80s that have sold enough to be mentioned in this section of list:

Purple Rain, Like a Virgin,

Physical, Another Day in Paradise,

Every Breath You Take, Hello,

Walk Like an Egyptian, Faith,

With or Without You, Livin' on a Prayer, etc.

Of course-- since most people EDITING the list listen to NEW music (some of whom are rambling, presentist teenagers who don't give a s--- about the past), we have THIS problem.


I admit many reasons for which I am not entirely justified in my point. I admit there were less people on Planet Earth to buy records and less countries certifying them 15+ years ago than now. I also admit globalization and worldwide development now let more songs reach more places than before. BUT, IFPI (the LEGITIMATE source where most of the 25 new songs come from) themselves say in their 2010 report that the music market has SHRUNK 30% in the past 3 years, In addition, The Guardian says that "95% of music downloads are done illegally", meaning that average number of copies any hit song sold then and the amount of copies one would sell now really hasn't changed much.

As a final note, Wiki-users/people who defend new music might say "Hey, if you're complaining so much about this, why don't you go fix it yourself?!?" Well, what I have to say is: 1-It only takes ONE person to go to IFPI's yearly reports and post COMPLETELY LEGITIMATE figures for new songs. 2-To balance out with 80's songs, 70's songs or other, it takes hours of dedicated and focused research done by multiple people to produce equal results from those time periods.

--This is not a personal attack on anyone or any group.-- ---This is not a complaint about IFPI yearly report sources already being used.--

I appreciate everyone's attention for taking the time to read this and their possible consideration for thinking about it contemplating and planning to PLEASE, take ACTION and help solve this. Mauri96 (talk) 03:46, 29 December 2010 (UTC)


I would like to say sorry to everyone for such a useless, biased and unproductive rant. I did not hand solutions or tools to reach them to the hands of all you editors.
My main reason for posting this is to bring this very serious topic to the attention of everyone (no matter how few) who edits and watches this page. I will try to look for links and sites that can facilitate reaching the goal of including more 90s, 80s, and late 70s songs on this list. Mauri96 (talk) 19:45, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
As of April 22, 2012, I have added Do They Know It's Christmas?, Lambada, You're the One that I Want, Eye of the Tiger, Beat It, Thriller, Another One Bites the Dust, Bohemian Rhapsody, and a couple others. Since few sales records exist from the 70's and 80's, some of the songs I mentioned will never be added. Some songs I request help finding sources for are When Doves Cry, Livin' on a Prayer and With or Without You. --Mauri96 (talk) 18:58, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

WHERE IS KATY PERRY'S "TEENAGE DREAM" ?!

Perry's Teenage Dream has sold around 4.5 million in the US. 0.9 million i UK. Around 1.3 million in Canada and has over 9 more certifications in other countries as well. So I think it must also be added.

1.3 million in Canada?!! I definitely don't believe this. But you know, a lots song ain't here... 109.10.33.64 (talk) 19:28, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
To clear things up a bit, the album has been certified for shipments of 2 million in the U.S., 0.9 million in the U.K. and hasn't even been certified in Canada. After all, it was only No. 1 for 1 week there.
What's more, according to this link, the album has sold a mere 7 million copies worldwide.--Mauri96 (talk) 01:31, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
This article is about SINGLES, not albums. And since you talked about Teenage Dream (album), well I can tell you it didn't sell 7 million copies worldwide. That's just impossible. itemcore.com can be edited by any users. Real sales are nearly 5.5 million worldwide. Topping chart doesn't mean anything about sales. In the UK, Beyoncé's I Am... Sasha Fierce had begun at #10 with 39,000 copies sold in 2008 and later, in August 2009, peaked at #2. It's finally sold a lil less than 1.5 million copies and it keeps selling over 1,000 copies per week there. Back to the article subject. A lot of singles that have sold more than 5 million copies aren't here. 109.10.33.64 (talk) 03:05, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
My mistake, I confused this talk page with the talk page for the List of best-selling albums. If we're talking about Teenage Dream the single, there is a real possibility of adding it since its highest certifications are:
  • 3× Platinum in the U.S. (3 million)
  • Platinum in the U.K. (0.6 million)
  • 4× Platinum in Australia (0.28 million)
  • 3× Platinum+Gold (Mastertone) (0.28 million)
  • Gold in Germany (0.15 million)
(not to mention certifications from other, smaller countries).
If we can find Nielsen SoundScan sales for "Teenage Dream" at Yahoo! Music's Chart Watch, which are sure to exceed the 3 million the American certification indicates, the total may reach 5 million--Mauri96 (talk) 21:41, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
This link. 109.15.46.23 (talk) 22:23, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Problem !

My amazing eyes and brain have noticed something. Following this link http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/yradish/biggest-selling-singles-since-the-year-2000.html, we get this:

  1. "Hips Don't Lie" - Shakira
  2. "Crazy in Love" - Beyoncé
  3. "My Humps" - The Black Eyed Peas
  4. "Toxic" - Britney Spears
  5. "Womanizer" - Britney Spears
  6. "Oops!... I Did It Again" - Britney Spears

Okay, so I asked Robert of the Radish and he told me "Hips Don't Lie" had sold about 10 million, "Crazy in Love" at more than 8 million and "My Humps" at a lil less than 8 million.

This article says "Toxic" (#4) and "Womanizer" (#5) had sold 6.5 and 6 million copies which is fine according to same site, but eh! it, this article, also says "Oops!... I Did It Again" had sold 8 million though it is #6 which is impossible since is under than #4 ("Toxic") and #5 ("Womanizer").

Now you know "Oops!... I Did It Again" sales shown here are wrong, please edit it at 5.5 or 6 but not more. 109.10.33.64 (talk) 19:55, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Done- Thanks for mentioning this issue. I have changed the sales accordingly.--Mauri96 (talk) 21:50, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

"Irreplaceable", "Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)" & "Halo" by Beyoncé Knowles

Ringtone/mastertone sales have to be included! IFPI does it. If you want any proof, ask.

109.10.33.64 (talk) 06:01, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Not done for now: Any links for the South Korean and actual U.K. sales you claim would be useful so we can include them in the sales count. For now those two sales will only be mentioned in the "Notes" section of the article, as I've already done with "Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)".
By the way, where did you get the worldwide estimates of 7,2 million, 7,8 million and 5,7 million? As always, sources and links would be appreciated.--Mauri96 (talk) 21:28, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
There's no link available for real UK sales because I saw them on the Official Beyoncé Top 20 which was aired on MTV Hits. I cannot add a reference from my TV.. I recorded the Top 20 though. I can show you if you really want to see it. For "Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)" in South Korea, 487,847 copies (from a total of 496,053 as of February 18, 2012 - does not include sales from 2008-09) can be easily proven on http://www.gaonchart.co.kr. For "Halo", it's impossible: there's no total available. I compile sales by myself.
How do I get the total sales? Here's an example with "Halo":
  • US: 3,000,000 + 500,000 (Yahoo + RIAA)
  • South Korea: 892,533 (only include sales from September 19, 2011 to April 28, 2012 — song will top 900k mark this week)
  • UK: 560,000 (from Official Beyoncé Top 20 on MTV Hits by the Official Charts Company)
  • Australia: 210,000 (based on certification (ARIA))
  • Germany: 150,000 (based on certification (Bundesverband Musikindustrie))
  • Spain: 80,000 (based on certification (PROMUSICAE))
  • Canada: 40,000 (based on certification (Music Canada))
  • Italy: 30,000 (based on certification (FIMI))
  • Switzerland: 30,000 (based on certification (FIMI Switzerland))
  • New Zealand: 15,000 (based on certification (RIANZ))
= 5,507,533 technically we should add at least 200k+ sales for the rest of Europe/World and mistakes.
That's what I do for all songs, but unfortunately some sales can't be sourced because I compile real sales by myself. 109.15.46.23 (talk) 22:19, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
I found this link and [www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=3755535 this other] link that mention the "Oficial Beyoncé Top 20" U.K. sales you mentioned. Since neither is a reliable source, we'll have to wait for the official list to be updated to include those numbers in the sales count.--Mauri96 (talk) 22:35, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Since you noted it, it's okay and I understand. I'm the person that posted on your [www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=3755535 other link]. Why don't you add "Irreplaceable"? It gets nearly 6,1 million in the US alone. 109.15.46.23 (talk) 08:16, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for not adding "Irreplaceable" earlier. I've been busy with schoolwork lately. I've started "wasting my life away" here at Wikipedia for the past few months, as you can see here. It's just not healthy for a last-year high school student to make nearly 1,000 edits in just 2 months. :P--Mauri96 (talk) 02:55, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

It's okay! I finally got my username! Lol. — Mcdonalds (talk · cont), at 17:15, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

WHERE IS ENRIQUE IGLESIAS HERO?

according to wikipedia's page detailing the single 'hero (single by enrique iglesias)',its mentioned that the has sold more than 8 million copies worldwide but it is missing from the list source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_(Enrique_Iglesias_song)

49.201.212.204 (talk) 04:42, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Not done: The song has may have higher certifications (gold, platinum, etc.) than "I Like It" around the world, but "I Like It" has sold so much in the U.S. that including all sales, it has sold more worldwide. Besides, the claim at Hero that it has sold 8 million does not have a source and Wikipedia cannot cite itself. See Wikipedia:Citing sources.--Mauri96 (talk) 14:46, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Lady Gaga - Telephone

71.225.141.36 (talk) 18:00, 20 May 2012 (UTC)Telephone's sales should be updated. It was at 7.4 million WW in 2010, and also in 2010 it's digital sales were in the 2,000,000 mark.[1] And in October of 2011, it passed the 3 million mark [2] and [3]. So as of May 20, 2012, it's total WW sales are AT LEAST 8.4 million WW (obviously more, but we don't know how much more for sure) so can it be updated? Thanks

I'll take look at its actual sales (especially in the U.S.) and get back to you in less than 50 hours.--Mauri96 (talk) 16:23, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Given that I did something similar with "Eye of the Tiger", your argument is valid. I'll update "Telephone" 's sales as soon as I increase "Poker Face" 's to 10.7 million (see below).--Mauri96 (talk) 03:14, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

We Are Young

Hey, i've added We Are Young to the List. Summing news reports and certifications, the song goes like this:

Total: 5,180,000

I put all sources inside a single reference on a bulleted list. --Hahc21 [TALK][CONTRIBS] 13:32, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Crazy In Love By Beyonce

You Beyonce fans r freaking DELUSIONAL AND INSANE! That source that says Crazy In Love sold 8 million copies...oh right IT DOESNT! This page is locked so I can't fix it; will someone please stop spreading this delusion! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.62.101.115 (talk) 07:01, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

No need to be rude. Actually, I also have a [big] doubt about "Crazy in Love" sales. Same with Madonna's "Hung Up" and Britney Spears' "...Baby One More Time". · Mcdonalds (talk · cont), at 08:46, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Pretty much all major singles released between 2003-2006 have debatable sales. At that time physical singles were becoming history and digital singles hadn't "taken off" yet.
Remember, the top-selling digital single of 2007, "Girlfriend", sold a relatively low 7.3 million.--Mauri96 (talk) 00:22, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Yes. The article is not enough clear about digital and physical sales. · Mcdonalds (talk · cont), at 06:52, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
I don't remember when but i saw that "Cary in Love" was the second best-selling single of 2003. I'll be looking up to find the sales numbers again. --Hahc21 [TALK][CONTRIBS] 07:00, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
On the IFPI site, it is impossible to find nothing about the sales figures. I'll be checking on other places... --Hahc21 [TALK][CONTRIBS] 03:55, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
I'll ask Billboard.--Hahc21 [TALK][CONTRIBS] 04:17, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Please let us know. I just know the song had sold 1,5 million digital downloads copies in the US which is high for a 2003 release. · Mcdonalds (talk · cont), at 16:22, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

To the person who was questioning the sales of Baby One More Time, the source listed actually says it sold over 9 million copies, unlike the Crazy In Love annotation...And I consider BBC a reputable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.166.225.43 (talk) 04:18, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

The only reliable source for global sales is IFPI. · Mcdonalds (talk · cont), at 17:57, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Hahc21, what did Billboard say?--Mαuri’96...over the Borderline” 15:44, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

"Poker Face"

Here are the sales I compiled:

  • US, digital sales: = 6,622,000
  • UK, digital sales:= 1,000,000/1,104,000
  • Australia, digital sales: 6x Platinum = 420,000
  • Austria, digital sales: 1x Gold = 15,000
  • Belgium, digital sales: 1x Platinum = 30,000
  • Canada, digital sales: 8x Platinum = 640,000
  • Denmark, digital sales: 2x Platinum = 60,000
  • Finland, digital sales: 1x Platinum = 10,000
  • Germany, digital sales: 2x Platinum = 600,000
  • Japan, digital sales: 1x Platinum = 250,000
  • Japan, mastertone sales: 1x Platinum = 250,000
  • New Zealand, digital sales: 2x Platinum = 30,000
  • Norway, digital sales: 3x Platinum = 30,000
  • Russia, ringtone sales: 2x Platinum = 400,000
  • Spain, digital sales: 2x Platinum = 80,000
  • Sweden, digital sales: 2x Platinum = 40,000
  • Switzerland, digital sales: 3x Platinum = 90,000
= 10,671,000

The total of 10.671 million uses the 1.104 million sales figure for UK sales. For additional justification of that figure see here.--Mauri96 (talk) 03:58, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

This seems okay. Are you sure about Russian ringtone certification? · Mcdonalds (talk · cont), at 16:29, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Yes, according to this link, "Poker Face" was certified 2x Platinum in the "RBT" or "ring-back tone" category. According to the footnotes at the bottom of the second-last page on that link, Platinum is awarded for 200,000 and Gold for 100,000 copies.
As a side note, from now on I'll only be able to edit on the weekends due to pressing IB Diploma work as I am in my last year of high school/sixth form.--Mauri96 (talk) 21:27, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

"Gives You Hell" by the All-American Rejects

The sales for this song listed on its own Wikipedia page add up to 4,272,500, but it only lists 4 countries (US, UK, NZ, and Australia), and it charted elsewhere. Do its worldwide sales add up to 5,000,000? Politoed89 (talk) 02:50, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Nope. Nothing proves it has sold 5 million copies worldwide. · Mcdonalds (talk · cont), at 17:47, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 25 June 2012


112.202.132.241 (talk) 03:38, 25 June 2012 (UTC) |Kelly Clarkson || "Because of You (Kelly Clarkson Song)" || 2005 || Pop || 7 |

|Shakira || "Loca" || 2009 || Latin Pop, Merengue || 5 |

Thanks for your efforts, but to add those songs to the list, you must provide reliable sources covering the sales. Cheers! —Hahc21 03:45, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia!  TOW  talk  04:51, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 25 June 2012


121.96.184.123 (talk) 09:04, 25 June 2012 (UTC) can you please help find sources that proves these tracks have reached their respective sales marks: physical sales: Hero/Enrique Iglesias (8 M) Lady Marmalade (7.4 M) Music/Madonna (7 M) Get the Party Started (5.2 M)

digital sales: Because of You/Kelly Clarkson (7 M) 4 Minutes (7 M) Raise Your Glass (5.8 M) Ai Uta (5 M) Loca/Shakira (5 M) Waka Waka (5 M) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.96.184.123 (talk) 09:11, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

can you also check if the following tracks have sold over 5 million copies worldwide? they have sold between over 4 million copies in the US alone, so might have sold somewhere: Airplane, Call Me Maybe, Disturbia, Empire State of Mind, Fireflies, Gives You Hell, Hey There Delilah, How to Save a Life, If I Die Young, Let It Rock, Live Your Life, Not Afraid, Pumped Up Kicks, Rockstar, Stronger/Kanye West, Super Bass, Whatever You Like and You Belong With Me

thanks.

Not done: The edits can be made if you find the sources; however, edit requests are not to be used to request that sources be found. Ryan Vesey Review me! 18:29, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

One at a time please, we aren't a firm. After minute-long research, though, I can tell you that the following songs won't make it to the list:
As for the rest, I'll have time to take look through them later this week, but I strongly suggest you count the non-U.S. certified sales of each and eliminate what you can.--Mαuri’96...over the Borderline” 22:14, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

i found out a new website that states some sales for pink's songs as well as shakira's loca; however both are in german and spanish. could this sites be used? thanks.

[1]

[2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.202.138.30 (talk) 10:03, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

I highly doubt the "Lady Marmalade" figure. "Lady Marmalade" was an airplay-only single, or at least it was in the US, and the US is the biggest sales market for music. (lady marmalade actually still can't be bought as a single, it's album only on iTunes) Politoed89 (talk) 03:53, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
The "pinkspage" link is an unreliable source as it appears to be forum-level and run by fans. As for "Loca", I am a bit more uncertain since the link is from one of the most important newspapers in Ecuador. There is no problem with the language, I'm fluent in Spanish.
By the way, since the day you made your request, I've added "Call Me Maybe" and "Pumped Up Kicks".--Mαuri’96...over the Borderline” 06:31, 7 July 2012 (UTC)