Talk:List of books about kites
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It was contested by Mike Cline (talk · contribs) on 2011-11-26 with the comment:
List is notable per WP:NOTESAL
- 1 Keep this article
- 2 Topic sectors with kite books
- 3 The change to a simple list may have carved off an article that could still be.
- 4 Alphabetize within sections by title or by author?
- 5 Annotated?
- 6 Alert: lists of publications in Articles for deletion
- 7 Notability of List of books about kites
- 8 Citation tag
- 9 Sections, when needed
Keep this article
- 1. Other kite pages would be swamped and made too long to include Kite books article.
- 2. A strong encyclopedia would include an article on the the founding craft for aviation and aeronautics as well as advances and significant applications for human culture benefits. The books are providing a drive for even further benefit to aviation, sports, engineering.
- 3. This article will become a rich resource to serve the Kites category in WP.
- 4. Annotations would be a plus for the article.
There's lots of book lists by subject, so no problem with this one. However, I've removed the lead paragraph as it was a bit rambly, obvious and unreferenced. Marasmusine (talk) 15:51, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
- How is "List of books about kites" more informative than "Kite books" ? Is there a WP policy on this matter? Thanks. 18.104.22.168 Joefaust (talk) 16:29, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Topic sectors with kite books
A development of this article is recommended. The non-fiction list will become long after editors bring forward a comprehensive list. Within the long list will be sub-lists or sections that are leveled or spcially focused. To serve the reader, some sectioning will become helpful.
- Sport stunters' books
- Manned-kiting (towed and free-flight kiting in hang gliding, paragliding, paravaning, water-ski kiting)
- Extreme sports kiting: kite landboarding, kitesurfing, snow kiting, kite buggying,
- Kite fishing
- Scientific kiting collection
- Histories of kiting
- Books that specialize in giving detail plans on how to build kites
- Art books that have the kite in focus for its artistic appearance.
- Product owner manuals for significant kites
- Kite aerodynamics, physics, mathematics, engineering
The change to a simple list may have carved off an article that could still be.
Who buys, collects, reads, and uses kite books? Why are kite books written and read? Special issues and slant interests affect how a book list might display. Ideas?
Kite books are sought by hobbyists, sport kite fliers, kite pilots, kite operators, children, parents, engineers, scientists, authors, historians, kite buyers, kite club librarians, hang glider pilots, hang glider designers, fishing people, book collectors, kite designers, kite makers, kite manufacturers, decorators, artists, store owners, researchers, recreation professionals, and more. Kite books become collectors' items. People just arriving to a kite interest seek kite books. Librarians and book stores carry an inventory of kite books. Each year some new kite book will be found advertised. There are fiction and non-fiction kite books at various levels of reading and technicality. Kite plan books abound. Owner manuals for particular kites are part of the picture. Joefaust (talk) 15:05, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Alert: lists of publications in Articles for deletion
Notability of List of books about kites
I have removed the Proposed Deletion tags from this article for this reason. WP:NOTESAL requires lists such as this to meet this requirement for notability: A list topic is considered notable if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list. The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been. Because the group or set is notable, the individual items in the list do not need to be independently notable, although editors may, at their discretion, choose to limit large lists by only including entries for independently notable items or those with Wikipedia articles. I have added five sources that discuss books on kites as a group. There are actually a great many more that do the same. Indeed this list needs a bit of clean-up, reorganization and citations for individual entries, but that is clean-up, not a reason for deletion. --Mike Cline (talk) 12:41, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
- I'd have said that the sources you have quoted are actually just lists of books or references from other books on kites and not a examination or commentary on the body of books about kite-making and flying. That two of the books you have given predate the majority of the dated books by about 80 years also gives concern as to their reliability for that purpose. GraemeLeggett (talk) 13:03, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
- The question here is merely: Have books on the subject of kites been discussed as a group? If they have, then the list topic is notable. Bibliographies that list books on kites are, in my opinion, a discussion of kites as a group, since a list of books is a bibliography by any other name. The fact that that discussion predates entries on this list is irrelevant to the notability of the topic. You are contending that no reliable source has ever discussed books on kites as a group and I am contending that they have. --Mike Cline (talk) 13:17, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
Sections, when needed
- Inhabited surface-anchored kiting with moving or fixed anchoring: aqua-kiting, man-lifting, parasailing, parascending, parakiting
- Powered kites: powered kite hang gliding, powered paragliding, powered uninhabited kites, ultralight kiting,
- Kites systems for performing tasks: kite energy, work kites, kites as renewable energy source 22.214.171.124 (talk) 03:28, 25 July 2013 (UTC)