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New list for Turkey[edit]

Only in Turkish, could someone please translate? http://www.resmigazete.gov.tr/eskiler/2014/06/20140603-16-1.pdf

Quick Question[edit]

This list says that the United States does not consider the Taliban to be a terrorist organization, but the article about the United States' list of terrorist organizations says that the US does consider the Taliban to be a terrorist organization:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_State_Department_list_of_Foreign_Terrorist_Organizations

So, one of these articles is wrong.

Reversalmushroom (talk) 00:13, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Neither are wrong, the US has designated TTP, the pakistani branch of the taliban as a terrorist organization and that is listed in this article but they don't consider the other Taliban organization from Afghanistan to be a terrorist organization. - SantiLak (talk) 00:21, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 6 March 2015[edit]

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The result of the move request was: not moved (non-admin closure) -- Calidum 04:45, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


List of designated terrorist organizationsList of groups governmentally designated as terrorist – As noted in the last RM (which failed) "They don't designate themselves as being terrorist."
On a similar argument, your mate down the pub might "designate" a group as being "terrorist" but the article only accepts a particular form of designation. Various of Wikipedia's often erroneously described "reliable sources" may also describe or quote a group as being terrorist but, unless such designation can be traced back to an official governmental designation, it is not included in the list. Neither, as far as I have seen, are designations ascribed from comments by individual politicians which I think is a sensible policy. Any politician, however senior, may make any statement at any time, which may potentially range from nothing more than an off the cuff remark, but, I think, to save Wikipedia editors from needing to make subjectively based decisions on the validity of any statement, we currently have a good practice of typically requiring wider governmental corroboration.
On the issue of "group" vs "organisation" it can be relevant to note that "organisation" is a Subset of "group". Moreover "terrorist group" is a more widely used term of reference generally as indicated in the following searches.

The results are not as conclusive as when I solely searched on the British English spelling "terrorist organisation" but, regardless, I think that the "subset" issue still counts. It is also of use that the word "group" only has one spelling.

When Wikipedia needs to disambiguate these subjects it defines them as groups. See: Al-Mourabitoun (jihadist group), Al-Shabaab (militant group), Lehi (group). Other articles also of note are: Armed Islamic Group of Algeria, Abu Nidal Organization, East Turkestan Liberation Organization, Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group.

The UN listing is more specifically of "The List established and maintained by the Al-Qaida Sanctions Committee with respect to individuals, groups, undertakings and other entities associated with Al-Qaida." --Relisted. Sunrise (talk) 02:16, 16 March 2015 (UTC) GregKaye 11:06, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Comment: the wording of the proposal is very clunky. I don't think that "designated as terrorist" is grammatically correct when the word "group" is separated from it. Adding an "s" to terrorist to create 'terrorists' wouldn't be an acceptable solution as 'terrorists' is commonly used in reference to individuals rather than groups. Changing the title to "List of groups governmentally designated as terrorist organisations" would solve the grammar problems. However that title would also not be acceptable as the inclusion of "governmentally" would exclude the United Nations and the European Union as neither organisations are governments. This would mean that the title would have to be "List of groups designated as terrorist organisations" which isn't very different from the current title though personally I think it sounds slightly better. Ebonelm (talk) 19:40, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose Meaningless move. This should be dealt with in article prose, not the title. Peter Isotalo 23:07, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose -- I don't think when our mates call somebody names we characterize this as "designating". Consider Evan Kohlmann, possibly the most influential non-governmental self-proclaimed terrorism experts. I doubt we would used the term "designated" if he asserted a group was a terrorist group. No, I think "designated" implies a governmental organization, with the authority to take some action, like levy sanctions, or call for arrests. Geo Swan (talk) 23:22, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose No need to change it, the word designated means that something is given that moniker, there is a reason that there is a separate and specific term for "self-designated" which is defined as giving it to oneself as opposed to being given by someone else. WildWikiGuy (talk) 00:27, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

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United Nations[edit]

The United Nations designates these groups that linked with al-Qaeda as terorrist organizations. United Nations Security Council is the only UN body with the authority to issue binding resolutions to member states, so isn't that mean member states designate them as terorrist organization as well?--Rapsar (talk) 09:43, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

If the security council designates them, that means that the UN has designated them as a terrorist organization, not necessarily that the government's of its own member states have designated them as terror groups. - SantiLak (talk) 04:08, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
National Assembly of Turkey designated them as a terrorist organization (here is the source). But if we look at Canadian or American websites, we can not see the whole UN list. For example, the UN designates Al-Itihaad al-Islamiya as a terrorist, but a member of the UN, the United States does not designate it such. I don't get it.--Rapsar (talk) 07:34, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
First off on the note of Al-Itihaad al-Islamiya, they were designated by the US as a terrorist organization. The UN Security council designates certain terrorist organizations due to whatever their guidelines are and after a vote on it. If some of the security council members don't designate them as a terror organization then it doesn't really matter. All that matters is if the resolution in the security council passes. - SantiLak (talk) 01:17, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
It was just an example. The UN designates ISIS as an terrorist organization, so isn't that mean Iran or Russia or China designates ISIS as an terrorist organization as well?--Rapsar (talk) 17:25, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
No, not necessarily. All it means is that the UN has sanctioned that group as a terrorist organization. It means that there are UN sanctions imposed on that group that all UN members have to follow, it doesn't mean that they domestically have to designate it as a terrorist organization but that they have to comply with the UN sanctions on the group. - SantiLak (talk) 23:13, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 12 May 2015[edit]

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The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 03:08, 15 June 2015 (UTC)



List of designated terrorist organizationsList of designated terrorist groups – terrorist group is common name. See:

  • Google Ngrams" for terrorist group,terrorist groups,terrorist organization,terrorist organizations,terror group,terror organisation,terror organization and
  • Google trends for "terrorist group","terrorist groups","terrorist organization","terrorist organizations","terrorist organisations".

Various forms of designations are used:

While organisation is a subset of group, not all groups are organisations.
Use of "groups" also avoids a choice between a use of American or British English. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 18:42, 21 May 2015 (UTC) GregKaye 10:24, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

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