Talk:List of fantasy anime

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Supernatural[edit]

@Marlin Setia1:: First of all, InuYasha is not a supernatural series. It's squarely in the fantasy realm.

To everyone else: since when did Marlin Setia1 and Edward321 get to determine whether supernatural was or was not fantasy? Everything I've ever seen places it in fantasy, including our own definition of fantasy. It would be helpful if we could be consistent, and also not have two people control everything in this list. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 02:04, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

My two cents? Delete each and every un-sourced entry that describes a series belonging to category x. The problem is one editor sees it as a pear, the other one sees it as an apple but there is no way to prove who is right. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:10, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
I'm basing it off the description of each entry. Anything involving magic, the supernatural, and related topics, is fantasy. If there is a question about a particular series, it can be discussed here, but people shouldn't be enforcing their particular view of fantasy on everyone else. We run things by consensus here. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 02:15, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
I know what you are saying is true, but it is set much more in stone when there is a reference to back it up. You don't have to reference all the titles, just the ones that are contested. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:22, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
Additionally, Baka and Test sounds like a fantasy series to me, based on the description. Basilisk is absolutely a fantasy series, as is Beyond the Boundary. Black Butler is dark fantasy, so it qualifies.
Several of the titles removed are science fantasy, so they probably qualify to remain on the list. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 02:15, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
You said "also not have two people control everything in this list", its because no one else care about this page, i mean, Edward321 always reverts anything fantasy with a prefix (for example, Science fantasy), and no one takes any action to revert him (even its clearly contains "Fantasy" on their genre). So, because no one is reverts him, i think that should be right.
And for Supernatural or anything involving magic is fantasy or not, same reason as above (because i dunno honestly). Marlin Setia1 (talk) 02:45, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
That doesn't make it ok to revert the addition of fantasy anime on the grounds that they are also part of another sub-genre. And Glen Cavaliero in The Supernatural and English Fiction (1995 Oxford University Press) does verify that supernatural fiction is part of the fantasy genre. That said, the list is in a horrible mess and needs some work on sourcing. This sourcing can also be applied to the individual articles themselves. —Farix (t | c) 03:36, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
I have never reverted an fantasy anime on the grounds it was also part of another sub-genre. On the other hand, I have viewed something that was supernatural as a separate genre from fantasy. If consensus is that that supernatural is a subgenre of fantasy, I am fine with that, so long as it is applied consistently. Likewise, if consensus is that "science fantasy" is a subgenre of fantasy, I am okay with that, but I have always considered "science fantasy" to be a subgenre of "science fiction". Looking at the specific examples mentioned, Beyond the Boundary and Black Butler are clearly supernatural. Again, I consider that a separate genre from fantasy, but if consensus says it is a subgenre of fantasy, I am fine with that. Basilisk is a story about ninja using high powered and often strange techniques. To me, that is a martial arts story, not a fantasy, unless you're using the term "fantasy" so broadly as to include all fiction. The description in the article for Baka and Test does sound like fantasy, but the abilities used are all technological in nature. Edward321 (talk) 05:33, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
Supernatural has been considered a sub-genre of fantasy for as long as I am aware. And yes, while science fantasy is a sub-genre of science fiction, it is also a sub-genre of fantasy. It is possible to be both. Extremely exaggerated martial arts, where the martial arts techniques being used are clearly beyond anything naturally realistic, would be considered fantasy. I will defer to others on Baka and Test as I have never seen any of it. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 07:25, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
It's not a matter of "consensus agreeing" but that reliable sources already establishing that supernatural is a blend of the fantasy and horror genres. I've already provided the Cavaliero reference that was on the article on supernatural fiction. The article on science fantasy references Peter Nicholls' The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction to back the claim that science fantasy is a blend of the science fiction and fantasy genres, so this isn't a mater of original research by editors. Now whether a work falls within any of these three genres needs references, but that a work is "science fantasy" or "supernatural" does not exclude it from this list. —Farix (t | c) 12:19, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
This is what I have been saying, it is WP:OR to throw anime into categories. I know some have strong opinions on it because of the fact but this wont stop other editors down the line contesting other editor opinions. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:12, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Shouldn't we just go with whatever genre reliable sources state? From the looks of things this is a problem regarding interpretation of a series, which constitute WP:OR. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 07:47, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

That is probably why TheFarix added the original research and unreferenced tags to the article over a year ago. I'm still unclear why Nihonjoe recently removed the original research tag, almost the entire list lacks sources. Edward321 (talk) 14:54, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
Did you bother reading the edit summary when I removed it? It very clearly explains why. Tag individual entries if you disagree with something being on the list. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 16:42, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I read the edit summary. WP:NOR says that "To demonstrate that you are not adding OR, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and directly support the material being presented" The tag has nothing to do with anyone questioning whether something belongs on the list; it is about virtually all of the list being unsourced. I know of two ways of noting that most of the list is unsourced opinion. The first is to place the tag at the start of the list. The second is to place a citation needed tag on every unsourced entry on the list. Perhaps you had a third idea of how to identify that most of the list is unsourced, if so, please share it. Edward321 (talk) 00:53, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
You are apparently ignoring my comment to which you are replying, now. To quote: "Tag individual entries if you disagree with something being on the list." I disagree that everything on the list needs to have a ref. Some things, like Record of Lodoss War, so obviously belong on the list that a ref is redundant. That's not WP:OR, it's such a blatantly-obvious fact that no normal person would question it. For series or shows which may be on the border as to whether they belong on the list, yes, they should definitely have refs. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 01:03, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Another thought - if any show where the "martial arts techniques being used are clearly beyond anything naturally realistic" is considered fantasy, then are there any martial arts anime that wouldn't be considered fantasy? Edward321 (talk) 15:03, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
Again one would have to dive into research, my thoughts are that real and fictional elements are combined to give some series the impression of realism. Other series such as Ojamajo Doremi that involve High fantasy are more straightforward. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 15:12, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
High fantasy would be more like Record of Lodoss War. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 16:42, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
I would agree with the supernatural being a subgenre of fantasy, as with "mecha" and "science fiction", and that it can be listed as a genre with reliable resources. I'm assuming it would be the context of a natural world as casting spells in a magic-based universe isn't really supernatural Supernatural is coupled with low fantasy, as opposed to high fantasy, as explained in this article: [1]). AngusWOOF (barksniff) 22:53, 18 November 2015 (UTC), updated 22:24, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
"Fantasy is a genre of fiction that commonly uses magic and other supernatural phenomena as a primary plot element, theme, or setting." Low fantasy & high fantasy are a subgenres of fantasy. Most of fantasy's subgenre are listed here. Marlin Setia1 (talk) 23:04, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Add Table[edit]

Should i make a table ? In this order: Year;Japanese Title;English Title;Type;Year;Director;Studio — Preceding unsigned comment added by Otaku G (talkcontribs) 10:43, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

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