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May 2014 changes[edit]

Although linked, this article was not as prominent from the main Cornell University page in light of the size and importance of the Greek System at the University. Therefore, I expanded the dialog slightly on the Cornell page itself, and added a Hatnote. I then expanded this page, the List of fraternities and sororities at Cornell University, to include conference affiliations and dates of local founding - where available. For reference these were usually from the University's own Student Life website or Baird's, 19th Edition (1991 data). Taking it a bit further, I moved the ownership / leasehold discussion toward the bottom of the page as this discussion was less important than the introduction of those chapters. I shortened some very long subheader titles, and generally cleaned things up with improved formatting, greek letters for clarity of recognition, and more descriptions. Finally, I added as many Greek letter organizations as I could find from among the professional, honor, service and recognition societies, generally following the headings set forth by Bairds, along with descriptions and the conferences. Placement within categories is somewhat malleable, and may certainly be adjusted by someone more informed. For example, Recognition societies may be moved to Honor societies without a problem, I think. (After thinking about it I am doing this today.) The difference between the two is diminishing. Previously, Honors societies had more programming along with awards they distributed. Recognition societies allowed a person to apply for recognitions. I'm going to do some additional work on this distinction, combining recognition and honor groups, and linking to WP pages in the subheadings for each type of society. Jax MN (talk) 16:15, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Aggressive editing, in and out of IFC?[edit]

Oddly, some of the property-holding fraternities that I know to be solidly in existence at this writing are not listed within IFC on the Student Life section of the Cornell University website. For example, Phi Sigma Kappa. In the CURP'66 section, there is a note stating that the Kappa Alpha Society chapter is "reported to be in exile," and that fraternity's rather cryptic WP page has on its Talk page that there is/was a "current crisis." And does anyone know what happened to Alpha Omicron Pi? Anyone know about these situations?

After studying this, I think I have it figured out. There is a difference between "unrecognized" and "dormant". The page now reflects these two situations. Jax MN (talk) 04:07, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia editors are often zealous, and these may be oversights, or 'old news'. But I would suggest that, if internal politics and occasional sanctions place a campus fraternity out of recognition for a time, that the place to note this is on the Student Life website, and not here on the WP page. Suspended chapters with property and long relationships with the campus will likely return. We may want to insert a caveat to this effect in the paragraph introduction to the list of each council group, but such may be overkill. Jax MN (talk) 22:44, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I think I landed on a solution. 2013-14 was a banner year for chapters getting kicked off of campus, sadly. For those who retain viable living quarters and are on a 1 year or less probation regimen, I left them in the main section of 'active' chapters. For those who have been kicked off for multiple years, for example, four or five years, I've placed their names under 'dormant' chapters with a link referencing the situation. Reasonable? Jax MN (talk) 04:07, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Order - Alphabetical or by founding date?[edit]

As a Greek society member (not from Cornell), my preference is to list chapters in order of local founding. This has been the standard method in Baird's, as, I suppose, a way of honoring system pioneers and elders. However, Cornell has so many chapters that to the non-Greek this may be confusing. One alternative that IFCs and Panhel groups use is to render them in alphabetical order, Alpha to Omega (that is, by the order of the Greek alphabet). In a third option, one editor, Unician just adjusted the IFC fraternities section into English alphabetical order, which I grant is quite logical, but does not follow the two more common precedents. WP entries vary, and I suppose this is a coin toss, based on what users want. Any opinions out there? Jax MN (talk) 04:31, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks again, Jax MN, for your major work on this article! Face-smile.svg The IFC section lists 39 fraternities; I never thought about the order of presentation until you added the explicit Greek letters, when it became obvious that it wasn't in alphabetical order in Greek (for example, it puts Χ before Δ, and lists Ζ at the very end). It was, however, in almost-perfect alphabetical order by English letter names, 38 of 39 names in English order with only one exception, one adjacent pair switched. Thinking that couldn't be an accident, I moved that one inconsistent entry to make the ordering complete. (I moved ΦΚΤ Phi Kappa Tau one spot down to follow ΦΚΨ Phi Kappa Psi.) With or without that adjustment, the founding dates are in more or less random order. If you think that chronological order is more appropriate, I have absolutely no objections, and I'll even help; same with Greek alphabetical order. Once we pick an ordering, we should mention it in the article.  Unician   07:02, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
OK, I just completed adding in all the dormant societies I could find, plus dates of dormancy. This helped identify some Honors and Professional groups that I'd missed the first time through, so I added them to the active groups. New subtitles too. So by this point it is a pretty good list. One thing someone could do in the future is add a section listing the many groups that were founded at Cornell. Now that you can see all these groups together, let's get a consensus on whether to alphabetize by the Latin names (ABCD...) or in order of Greek letter (ΑΒΓΔ...) or by dates of national founding... You'll see that the list of IFC chapters reads pretty well as it is. However, I show the Professional and Honor chapters by date of founding, which allows Phi Beta Kappa, Sigma Xi, and the important locals to pop up to the top of the list, as a nice recognition of their status among their peers. Stakeholders? Let us know. Jax MN (talk) 01:29, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Fraternities, reordered by date of campus founding[edit]

This is an example of how the list looks when ordered by founding date. Other similar WP pages listing campus Greeks use a similar format. I think it honors pioneer chapters nicely. The dormant chapters are similarly ordered. Comments either way? Unless there is a chorus in objection, I'll boldly make the change in a few days, along with the sororities and MGLCs. Jax MN (talk) 21:19, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Active Academic and Social Fraternity Chapters

Chapters whose names changed

  • Irving Society 1868-69, see ΦΚΨ [10]
  • ΑΣΧ - Alpha Sigma Chi, 1874-1879, see ΒΘΠ [11]
  • ΒΣΡ - Beta Sigma Rho, 1910–1972, founded at Cornell, see ΠΛΦ[12]
  • ΦΕΠ - Phi Epsilon Pi, 1911–1970, see ΖΒΤ [13]
  • Eleusius, 1912-1935 (local), see ΘΚΝ
  • ΑΘ - Alpha Theta, 1912-1917 (local), see ΠΚΑ [14]
  • OAT - Omicron Alpha Tau, 1912–1934, see ΤΔΦ [15][13]
  • ΘΚΝ - Theta Kappa Nu, 1935–1939 (NIC), see ΛΧΑ [16] [17]

Dormant Fraternity Chapters

Alternative proposal: table-ify[edit]

Nice work, but what would be a lot more useful in my opinion is to put it into a table so that readers can sort it however they choose: by foundation date, by letters, by English name, by national conference, and so on. Additionally, this would let us list chapters by their actual founding, rather than alphabetically by founding year, at least on the initial screen. While this does make for more scrolling than the current list format, we could also save some space by integrating the lists together, as for housing. As a proof-of-concept, consider this: -- choster (talk) 19:18, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
Name Status Activity Conf. House Ownership Notes
ΖΨ Zeta Psi Active 1868– NIC 534 Thurston Avenue University, CURP House VIII
ΧΦ Chi Phi Active 1868– NIC "Craigielea," 107 Edgemoor Lane University, CURP House III
ΚΑ Kappa Alpha Society Dormant 1868-1990, 2007 NIC 14 South Avenue University, CURP House VII House currently occupied by ΦΣΣ
ΑΔΦ Alpha Delta Phi Active 1869– NIC 777 Stewart Avenue Private
ΧΨ Chi Psi Colony 1869-2014, 2016 NIC 810 University Avenue Private [1][25]
ΔΥ Delta Upsilon Active 1869– NIC 6 South Avenue University, CURP House VI
ΦΚΨ Phi Kappa Psi Active 1869-1877, 1885– NIC "The Gables", 525 Stewart Avenue University, CURP House VII [1][26]

Superfluous (?) addresses[edit]

I'm curious as to the purpose of adding street addresses of houses as references. If anything, they should be added as notes, not references (as they are not in fact references), but even that is unnecessary, as those chapters with lodges are already listed comprehensively under Building and Property Ownership. If desired, a new subsection could always be created to list out chapters which are non-residential. WP:DIRECTORY and all that. -- choster (talk) 16:20, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi choster. I added these addresses for several reasons. From a practical perspective, pages like this can be used for quick confirmation of an address which might be difficult for non-Greeks or non-members to find or recall. Second, a cumulative listing of addresses isn't readily available - Cornell's website allows lookup of locations one at a time, when the name of the group is known, but not on a single page. Finally, the citation of an address is a valuable form of reference, where one exists. Without bloating the content of the visible page, an address reference provides valuable additional information. Perhaps a link to a University portal page (persistent website) would be a good alternative or addition, too. Jax MN (talk) 16:56, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
But I do see the redundancy, in the lower sections referring to the CURP 66 program. The actual list of current and former chapters is more interesting to me, whereas the original page before I made a series of updates several years ago was almost exclusively focused on the housing agreements of 1966. If I was to combine the two, for brevity, I might note the CURP 66 status or private ownership status in a reference against each chapter. That, and add their historic house name ("The Gables", for example). Jax MN (talk) 17:10, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

References[edit]

These references mostly stem from the reordered list (section) above, showing fraternity chapters in a reordered pattern, which was copy-and-pasted from a main page section. The references (and list of chapters here on the Talk page) may not have been updated with subsequent changes to that main page list of chapters.

  1. ^ a b c d e f g h Aloi, Daniel (June 27, 2013), "Four Greek Chapters sanctioned, two others closed", Cornell Chronicle, retrieved 21 May 2014
  2. ^ Cornell Sun, 2 May 2014: University revokes recognition of Chi Psi fraternity for three years, accessed 17 May 2014.
  3. ^ Phi Kappa Psi at Cornell, retrieved 15 May 2014
  4. ^ a b c d ΦΔΘ and ΚΣ nationals withdrew from the NIC in 2002. ΛΧΑ severed ties in 2015. TKE resigned its membership in 2016. ΦΣK withdrew in 2002 but rejoined in 2006.
  5. ^ Fiji maintains a policy for its members that severely limits use of its Greek letters to a handful of approved usages, such as their official ring, chapter plaques and memorial markers. Respecting this tradition, their letters are not shown on this page.
  6. ^ Phi Sigma Kappa at Cornell Alumni, retrieved 15 May 2014
  7. ^ Cornell's is the Founding Chapter of Delta Chi. Originally a professional law fraternity, it evolved by 1909 to become a general fraternity, disallowing new members who were already part of other fraternities. See Delta Chi History, accessed 3 June 2015
  8. ^ Kappa Sigma at Cornell, retrieved 15 May 2014
  9. ^ "Spring 2010 Pi Kappa Alpha", Hazing.Cornell.edu, retrieved 17 May 2014
  10. ^ Cornell Phi Psi history, accessed 3 Oct 2016.
  11. ^ This entire 5-chapter national fraternity, including Cornell's Beta Chapter, was absorbed into ΒΘΠ in 1879.
  12. ^ a b "Beta Sigma Rho Merger", PiLambdaPhi.org, retrieved 4 June 2015 Beta Sigma Rho merged into the Pi Lam chapter in 1972, then Pi Lam closed in 1976.
  13. ^ a b Sanua, Marianne Rachel (2003), Going Greek: Jewish College Fraternities in the United States, 1895-1945, Wayne State University Press
  14. ^ Cornell Pike history, accessed 3 Oct 2016. This early Cornell local is to be confused with the later formed "Alpha Theta", a 'gender inclusive' local society at Dartmouth College. Name similarity is merely coincidental.
  15. ^ ΟΑΤ was a national Jewish fraternity, founded at Cornell. It was noted (Sanua, p.79) as "the most Jewish of fraternities" - its house keeping a kosher kitchen. All chapters closed during the Great Depression; most of these were absorbed by Tau Delta Phi
  16. ^ This chapter was founded as local, Eleusis, in 1912. Becoming ΘΚΝ in 1935, only four years later this small national merged with Lambda Chi Alpha, becoming a chapter of that national fraternity.
  17. ^ a b c d e f g h Anson, Jack L.; Marchenasi, Robert F., eds. (1991) [1879]. Baird's Manual of American Fraternities (20th ed.). Indianapolis, IN: Baird's Manual Foundation, Inc. pp. II-45, 46. ISBN 978-0963715906.
  18. ^ "University revokes recognition of DKE", Cornell Chronicle, November 22, 2013, retrieved 21 May 2014
  19. ^ "Cornell University Revokes Recognition of Psi Upsilon Fraternity", Cornell Daily Sun, May 25, 2016, retrieved Oct 26, 2016
  20. ^ "Cornell withdraws recognition of Sigma Alpha Epsilon", Cornell Chronicle, March 18, 2011, retrieved 16 May 2014
  21. ^ Bier, Karen (November 24, 1969), "Fraternity Seeks Coed Pledges", Cornell Daily Sun, retrieved 16 May 2014
  22. ^ "History 1989–2004", AEPiBeta.org, retrieved 17 May 2014
  23. ^ "Fall 2012 Tau Epsilon Phi", Hazing.Cornell.edu, retrieved 16 May 2014
  24. ^ Cornell Sun: TKE Will Lose Recognition After Reported Hospitalization, accessed 17 May 2014
  25. ^ Cornell Sun, 2 May 2014: University revokes recognition of Chi Psi fraternity for three years, accessed 17 May 2014.
  26. ^ Phi Kappa Psi at Cornell, retrieved 15 May 2014

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