Talk:List of generation I Pokémon

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Japanese names[edit]

Shouldn't the Japanese names for each Pokemon be included in this list? Lord Seth (talk) 20:45, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Hmm, that's a good idea. I've seen some talking about removing the "first appeared" column, so that should free up some space for the actual original names of these critters. Good catch. ~Mable (chat) 11:59, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
I changed the size of a couple columns a bit and will be working on moving over the Japanese name data.85.167.27.57 (talk) 15:43, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
It's a bit unnecessary to single out the Japanese names when they have names for multiple languages. The English ones are most appropriate for the English Wikipedia, and if people are curious about the other names they can simple look to other wikis for a full listing of them. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 19:46, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
I'm mostly on the fence on this topic. It seems rather meaningful information, seeing as these are the names of the characters in the original source material. Most "list of X" articles would list both the original name as the English-translated name, in my experience. If anything, it seems a useful column to add to the tables if "Original appearance" does get removed. ~Mable (chat) 21:39, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Pokemon is a Japanese media franchise, the Japanese names are being singled out because they are the original names for these characters. This is Wikipedia convention and can be seen in any article on a subject where the native name differs from the local one. It's not something that's really up for debate as far as these individual articles are concerned. 85.167.27.57 (talk) 14:22, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
I have now moved the column over in its entirety and included it in all 7 lists. 85.167.27.57 (talk) 21:01, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Is there a reason that "generation" isn't capitalized on these pages?[edit]

If there is, please inform me. Paintspot (talk) 17:50, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

@Paintspot: Asking the same question on seven different pages isn't particularly efficient ^_^; As for the capitalization, I don't know why it would be capitalized. It isn't an actual title, is it? Console generations aren't capitalized either. Wikipedia only capitalizes words in titles if they are proper nouns. ~Mable (chat) 18:12, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Pronunciations[edit]

Seeing how several articles give the IPA pronunciations for Pokémon names, I think we should do something similar here. The way I see it, we would implement them using Template:Abbr, just like the article already does for kanji and rōmaji. For example, Caterpie would give /ˈkætərpiː/. And as it happens, I have made such pronunciation keys for every Pokémon except for Generation VII, which I hoped to implement before the page received a complete overhaul to its current format. The downside to this is that this is already a breach of use for this particular markup, better detailed on the template page. Still, I think it'd be a useful addition, assuming the page isn't big enough as it is. User:SubZeroSilver (talk) 21:31, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Are there even officially endorsed pronunciations for specific Pokémon? I'd love to know where you got those, because I was under the impression that the wasn't that much thought put into pronunciation between the Pokémon company, teams of game translaters, and the anime dubbing studio. Hence, the "Pokeymon" situation. ~Mable (chat) 07:32, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
I derived these pronunciations from the anime's "Who's That Pokémon" and "Trainer's Choice" segments, samples of in-show dialogue, and sound clips from official games with voice acting provided by the Pokémon Company, such as Pokémon Battle Revolution and Pokédex 3D Pro. And while there were some differences between the 4Kids and Pokémon Company ("Mantine" being a key example), they were at least consistent within their respective works. User:SubZeroSilver (talk) 19:02, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
Seems a bit original research-ish in my opinion... If this information does get included, I'd recommend putting it in the "English name" column under the name itself, so that it doesn't take up any more horizontal space. But I'd like to hear some more opinions on it first. I'm personally not fond of the idea, as I don't think there really is an official pronunciation. ~Mable (chat) 19:10, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
I see your point on original research and fan cruft, and it does make it questionable whether other Pokémon articles such as Meowth and Rayquaza should have these pronunciations without the proper sourcing. However, I've seen other articles on real-world subjects like Texas, Tyrannosaurus and Lady Gaga that provide IPA keys without sourcing. What, then, would be the appropriate use of IPA for fictional names if we reject primary sources?
As for the placement of these pronunciations, the reason I suggested Template:Abbr (or Template:Tooltip as these articles call it) is because doing so would avoid the same horizontal space problem the kana and rōmaji would cause if they were to stop using the template. User:SubZeroSilver (talk) 20:59, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
Mable is right that there doesn't actually seem to BE any officially endorsed pronunciations. There are several official English-language products that say the name out loud, including the anime, the Pokedex Pro and various video games, but they're not terribly consistent, and it honestly comes across as if the people pronouncing the names in these products are just given written scripts and go by gut feeling. 85.167.193.196 (talk) 02:10, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

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Mega Evolutions[edit]

Should the Mega Evolutions not be in a tableb of their own, like the Alolan Forms? After all, the table clearly states that these Pokémon were introduced in Generation I, 1996, though Mega Evolutions have only been around since 2013. Wtrmln124 (talk) 10:19, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

No because Mega Evolution is part of the Pokemon while Alolan forms are a separate Pokemon. Porygon-Z (talk) 17:21, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Porygon and evolutions[edit]

I think Porygon and its evolutions should get their own page too. They have a lot to talk about and I'll help too but I don't know how to code so I'll need help. Can someone help me? Porygon-Z (talk) 17:26, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

In order to write an article about some subject, it needs to meet the general notability guidelines. A useful rule-of-thumb in my experience is to write an article using solely third-party reliable sources. We have had an article on Porygon before, though it wasn't particularly great: [1]. I don't think it's a particularly good idea to write this article, but if you do, write it as a draft first! I'll be able to help you out with some stuff :) – Lastly, we already have an article on Dennō Senshi Porygon, so it's not particularly useful to duplicate the information already present there. Another reason not to write this article, I suppose. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 19:49, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
I can merge the Dennō Senshi Porygon article with the Porygon page. Porygon-Z (talk) 19:44, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Categories[edit]

Shouldn't we put Categories for Pokemon as well. If we have the Japanese name surely we can put the categories in as well, right?Porygon-Z (talk) 19:48, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Meltan and Melmetal[edit]

According to Bulbapedia, in Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!, the Kanto regional Pokédex was expanded to include Meltan and Melmetal (#152 and #153 Kanto; #808 and #809 national). Should we add them to this page? Pianostar9 (talk) 20:49, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

@Pianostar9: they're still generation VII Pokémon, the regional dexes include cross-generational Pokémon and none of the other lists revolve around those. The Alolan Forms are included here as they don't have a new national dex number and they're specific to generation I despite being introduced in generation VII. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 20:54, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
@Cyclonebiskit: Sounds good! Pianostar9 (talk) 20:56, 19 June 2019 (UTC)