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Major Reconstruction (East Pacific)[edit]

I've looked through all of the name lists and I think that the Atlantic name lists are the most organised. I think that all the other name lists should only contain ten years of names, then be placed in a different set. For example: 2000-2009, not 2000-2015. I think it would make it much more organised; I am currently on vacation and won't be back for awhile, it would be helpful if someone helps me with this reconstruction. STO12 (talk) 00:39, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

  • Reconstruction finished! The East Pacific names are now more organised than before. STO12 (talk) 02:02, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
    • Dare i say it, but the lists were set to 15 years by me, as i felt it was better for the sizing, so we didnt have to scroll through 6 sections of EPAC names.Jason Rees (talk) 16:24, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
      • Well we also have to scroll through several lists of names on the Atlantic portion, and especially in the Western Pacific. So if the names are to be set for a 15 year period, then all of them do, or the article wouldn't be very organised. This means that there is a lot more to fix on this article if the East Pacific needs to look that way. STO12 (talk) 02:25, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
        • Thats what i was planning to do a couple of years ago, when i expanded this article out.Jason Rees (talk) 18:59, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Working progress[edit]

I've been working on creating a link for every storm on this article, it may take awhile, but if Someone would like to help me then that would be most appreciated. STO12 —Preceding undated comment added 19:37, 22 December 2011 (UTC).

Every storm name doesn't need to be linked. For storms which have separate articles, I think this is great. But, adding links that just point to a section of the season article when the season article is already linked at the top of the column, just adds unnecessary clutter. It's much easier for the reader to recognize when there's an article dedicated to a single storm when those are the only storm names that appear colored in their browser, and having multiple links to the same article also makes the saved version of the article unnecessarily long. LarryJeff (talk) 22:35, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Sources[edit]

We need to cite sources here. Where did this information come from?

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 00:07, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

  • I checked over the lists which were supplied by Gary Padgett for the 1950's, 1960's, and 1970's and filled in the gaps. He said he had gathered it from old newspapers he had collected over the years. Thegreatdr 18:31, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Starting to fill in with inline references. You can help! Thegreatdr (talk) 18:55, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Discrepancy in Naming[edit]

In the "North Pacific east of 140W" section, "Names effective 1960-1977" subsection, the third list refers to "Aletta" but the retired list says that Adele was replaced by "Alleta". Anybody know which name is actually correct? --Quelloquialism 10:32, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

please edit this[edit]

this article is confusing and vague. Kingturtle 21:08, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Modern Retired Names?[edit]

Shouldn't names retired from the modern lists also be listed here since they are 'old' and will not come into use again? They aren't covered here or in the hurricane naming article.

In the Atlantic, those would be:

Modern names should be in this list from all past tropical cyclone seasons. Thegreatdr (talk) 18:57, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

EPAC 1960-1967[edit]

Most of the names were taken straight from here. I don't see why it is disputed. Hurricanehink 22:13, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

I dispute it for these reasons:
  1. It says that Irena was retired, yet I can find no mention of the name Irena being used anywhere at this ATWC site.
  2. The statement that name Hazel was retired because of the Atlantic storm. If that is true, why were Ione and Connie used at a later date when they were retired? They were also retired in the Atlantic. And what is the source for that info?
  3. Unisys reveals that the Annette-Willa list was used 1960-62. When Willa was reached during the 1962 season, the Ava-Wallie list was used until 1965. When Wallie was reached that year, the same list was restarted until Hazel ended the year.
  4. Why is Kathleen listed as retired/replaced? I can't find any notice of that being true.
This is why I dispute the accuracy of this section. Miss Michelle | Talk to Michelle 22:43, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclones[edit]

How can we find the old name lists of Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclones ? There is less information about this basin than other basins.
--HERB 13:11, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Use the BOM database Jason Rees (talk) 21:27, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Rename?[edit]

I think this article should be renamed List of historic tropical cyclone names be cause that's what it really is. The word "previous" implies recency. These names are historic: ones from...history. I think the name should reflect that. -- §HurricaneERIC§Damagesarchive 03:25, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree with that, and your logic is perfect. Full support. Hurricanehink 03:29, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Done since no objections were raised over the past 4 months. Thegreatdr 18:41, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Todo[edit]

This is just a disorganized and unstructured list of lists... Jdorje 20:16, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

We're working on that, and the referencing. Thegreatdr (talk) 02:05, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Philippine Lists[edit]

Is the sets used from 2001 to 2004 is the same as to 2005 afterwards? If yes, kindly change from 2004 to Present in a title for the usage of the set that was effective since 2001. --Frj1947 17:22, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

  • It is not the same since the name list have been revised in late 2004 with for starters Wang-Wang was replace by Weng (there was also a revision in May 2005 but it concern only about the name Undang which is replace by Urduja, since the former is suppose to be retired). It is best to compare both list and see that there are big changes in the names use. 15 May 2006
  • My mistake the revision was started in late 2003 but there was major revision in 2004 and a minor one in 2005.

Eastern Pacific List[edit]

I read somewhere before that the First Eastern Pacific Hurricane name list from 1960 consist of 4 list with rules applying to the list the same as the Western Pacific (meaning use running sequentially). In 1966 this was change to starting with A every year just as the Atlantic List but still maintaining the old list that was before. Can anyone please clarify that information? 29 May 2006

You are right, but there was only two lists- all female names. Then in 1966, 4 lists of all female names were used until the beginning of the 1978 Pacific hurricane season where they began to alternate male and female names in four lists until 1982 where they added two more lists to bring it to six lists which are still being used today. --#Yueof theNorth 21:28, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Australian names[edit]

Here's a WMO source for all Australian region retirees: [1] Titoxd(?!?) 05:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Tropical Cyclone seasons that need sourcing (2013 Update)[edit]

  • Atlantic - 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997.Jason Rees (talk) 02:39, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Eastern Pacific - 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974 1975 1976 1977 1978 1979 1980 1981 1982 1983 1984 1985 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997
  • Central Pacific - All sourced.Jason Rees (talk) 16:06, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Western Pacific -
  • PAGASA - 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997.Jason Rees (talk) 02:12, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
  • North Indian Ocean - All names should be sourced.Jason Rees (talk) 01:08, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
  • SWIO -
  • AUS - 1978-79, 1992-93
  • SPAC - All names should be sourced.Jason Rees (talk) 01:08, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
    What happened? I had all the Atlantic seasons referenced, using Mariners Weather Log if I remember correctly. Check out this version, which is about 1000 versions back. =/ Thegreatdr (talk) 15:16, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
  • From what i remember the references were removed since the general purpose of this list, changed from all lists of names to names that have been used. I am ideally after references that contain names used for either several years or a couple of basins. I will double check the MWL's too see if any of the issues qualify. Jason Rees (talk) 16:06, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
  • MWL's should be usable, though they should shift to issues from the following spring. Then again, so could Monthly Weather Review. Thegreatdr (talk) 19:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Yeah while both publications are useable, i just want to be careful with what references are added in order to keep the page size down. For example the Aus/SPAC seasons are cited back to the Australian Met Magazine up until 1998-99, when we start using the Padgett/Young end of year summaries for both hemispheres rather than continuing with the AMM or some other source.Jason Rees (talk) 01:52, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Separating these..?[edit]

@Jason Rees: This article is getting squishy and long like the old similar article we had before. I think that we should separate these into something like: List of historic Eastern Pacific names etc. It is more better and cleaner. Typhoon2013 (talk) 04:02, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

While this article is rather long - I would rather not split it off into subarticles as i doubt there is enough information around for them. I suspect that your recent change to the layout of the CPAC may have influenced on your opinion, but i RVd it as it is better to have it as one single table/section rather than in two or three single sections. If the CPAC ever becomes active enough with 10 or more systems per year then we can revisit the format.Jason Rees (talk) 21:04, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
@Jason Rees: Well, what if, for example, we are already in the mid-2020s and we have a whole lot of storms with the same article and format? Typhoon2013 (talk) 23:48, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
Again if we need to in the future we can revisit the format, but at the present time i see no reasons for changing it.Jason Rees (talk) 16:08, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

I think it's more useful having everything on one page. That way, you can look up a name with the find function (control + F) and see all of the names worldwide. Plenty of people are curious whether their name has ever been used. It's also possible people might remember a storm name being used but couldn't remember where (very possible in Atlantic vs. EPAC). ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:56, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

@Hurricanehink: @Jason Rees: Sorry for a late response, I wanted to go back here again thats why. But what happened to the previous/old format where we just have all the names in one table? It would be easier finding the name because it's in alphabetical order. Typhoon2013 (talk) 07:09, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
It would be a lot harder to source though as generally there are no sources stating that the name Jason was only used once throughout the world for example.Jason Rees (talk) 09:27, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
I think we could use both. Keep this as a main list, and make a new series that goes alphabetically, such as List of named storms (U–Z). Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 17:01, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Tahitian cyclone names[edit]

I noticed while going through the South Pacific cyclone season articles today that in and around the 80s, cyclones in the far eastern South Pacific were named by the Tahitian met service. There is minimal indication in the articles that that was the case but I found out by snooping around and a bit of inferences. I find it interesting that the way regions of naming and even the official basins have changed throughout history, but many different pages are very present-based with no indication of how cyclones were monitored in the past. It can be quite confusing sometimes.
I also came to this page to see that only some of the Tahitian names were in the South Pacific section, some are missing e.g. Diola (1980-81). Would it be a good idea to have the Tahitian names in their own separate subsection (under the South Pacific) to somehow indicate this? In addition, I think quite a lot could be written about the history of these agency changes but there's not much in the southern hemisphere regions, where it gets especially interesting, with sparse data/other sources mentioning it. atomic7732 10:56, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Tahiti and New Caledonia have indeed named tropical cyclones within the Southern Pacific in the past, but I am not 100% certain on there is very little sourcing available to back the history of naming in this region up. However, I suspect if we were to look in to meteorology in general in the region and looked into leads like the South Pacific Air Transport Council and the New Zealand Meteorological Service then the history would become clearer. However, getting back to this article, I feel that separating the Tahiti names out would not be a wise idea, since it is just an insignificant agency that named a few tropical cyclones for a few years. I will double check a sources I have available to me to see what names are missing from Tahiti.Jason Rees (talk) 08:51, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

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Historic vs. Historical[edit]

This article should actually be named "List of historical tropical cyclone names", as the word "historic" refers to things of great historical significance, whereas "historical" simply means something that happened in the past. This is not a major difference, but still good to fix. Since there's no separate page on historic (i.e. major) historical storms, a redirect can be setup to avoid breaking links. Any objections? Tfocker4 (talk) 15:57, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

  • Tfocker4, I agree: the intended meaning is 'names used in the past' rather than 'names of significant cyclones'. Quasar G t - c 11:00, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

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WPAC Names[edit]

@Typhoon2013: You are not allowed to publish the WPAC International names for the rest of this year and future years onto this list per the wikipedia rules on Original Research.Jason Rees (talk) 09:40, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

@Jason Rees: Well ok sure. But just to note I may revert most of your edit(s) as I liked my version because it separates the naming eras of the 20th and 21st centuries. Typhoon2013 (talk) 10:37, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
Except it didnt and while it would be nice to seperate the names into pre and post 2000 - i would rather keep it to 15 year blocks for now.Jason Rees (talk) 11:23, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

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