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"Notable region"[edit]

Just what is a "notable region". Any objective criteria? Or is it simply notable if a good few Westerners might expect to see it listed? How about we just apply objective criteria. 84.203.72.55 (talk) 21:42, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Basically it lists dependencies and areas which have had international agreements on sovereignty (svalbard and Aland). Chipmunkdavis (talk) 00:56, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

United Kingdom and Ireland?[edit]

don't they share a border? I.e. Ireland and Northern Ireland — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.117.47.251 (talk) 16:47, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

They do. The border is however, on an island. CMD (talk) 19:54, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Hawaii, Réunion, Mayotte, Martinique, and Guadaloupe[edit]

I've added these to the "Dependencies and other notable regions" section. I'm not sure why they would be excluded. Hawaii is a state in the United States, and the other four are Departments of France, and as such are fully integrated parts of their countries; but, and this why I included them, are thousands of kilometers away from their homeland.

Islands that are very close to the parent colony, with no other special status, should not, I think, be included in the list. Nor would I include administrative divisions of Island Countries already listed. But if an island province (to use a generic term for a first level division of a country) is far enough away from the homeland, it seems to me it should be included.

I've also added a column for geographic location for both tables.

Listmeister (talk) 17:07, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

The title of the article is pretty clear, so it makes no sense to include subdivisions or dependencies. The only exception that might make sense is French Polynesia, which is an "overseas country" of France, the various Netherlands Antilles or Greenland. 212.113.145.253 (talk) 00:02, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
There's nothing but semantics that link French Polynesia and Aruba closer to each other than they are to many of the other entries on this list. Dependencies etc. are often listed in lists of countries. CMD (talk) 01:19, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Which guidelines does that come from? Or is it just an offhand observation? 212.113.145.253 (talk) 01:32, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
There is no guideline for countries, bar the general ones about following external sources. Dependencies are often included in lists of countries in external sources. Country is an inherently ambiguous word. CMD (talk) 01:56, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
True it's an ambiguous word but as far as I can see Wikipedia articles that include dependencies seem to have titles which reflect this such as List of sovereign states and dependent territories by population density, whereas List of sovereign states steers clear. 212.113.145.253 (talk) 03:55, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Those articles used to be called lists of countries. They were changed after many editors demanded the inclusion of England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland into the lists. CMD (talk) 09:11, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved no support Tiggerjay (talk) 06:04, 23 April 2013 (UTC)


List of island countriesList of island countries and dependent territories – The list has a burgeoning subsection devoted to "Dependencies and other notable regions", so the article title should reflect this. Equally good would be "List of island sovereign states and dependent territories". 212.113.145.253 (talk) 23:26, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Survey[edit]

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  • Oppose. Not needed. Apteva (talk) 23:22, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose - there is indeed a significant section listing territories but rather than rename I think it should be hived off toform a new article, perhaps List of island dependencies. Green Giant (talk) 00:45, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
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The Status of Malaysia[edit]

Looking at the list and map of island nations, the absence of Malaysia puzzled me. The main page defines an island country as one whose primary territory consists of one or more islands or parts of islands, but what does that mean for Malaysia, which has considerable land both on mainland Asia and the island of Borneo? It seems that the rule that primary territory of a country is that which contains its capital city is in play, meaning that because Kuala Lumpur is not located on an island, Malaysia cannot be considered an island country. If this was the case, then, Equatorial city would have to also be considered an island country because Malabo is located on Bioko island, but it too does not appear on the map. In my opinion, the fact that the majority of the country is of an island and not peninsular is enough to deem Malaysia an island country. I also realize that population may also be a factor in determining the threshold, but if it is not, I believe that the status of Malaysia should be given further consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr M Mashup (talkcontribs) 03:50, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Which of the current countries listed is not entirely on islands? CMD (talk) 15:30, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Northern Cyprous, Niue and Cook Islands[edit]

Northern Cyprus is not neither an Island country nor a sovereign state therefore it should not be listed in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.184.200.26 (talk) 10:37, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

I moved these entries from the sovereign states section to the notable regions. Northern Cyprous do not have the capacity to enter into relations with other sovereign states and Niue and Cook Islands are subject of New Zealand so none of them is considered Sovereign state according to the definition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.73.215.212 (talkcontribs)

To IP91.184.200.26

Northern Cyprus is legal[edit]

1. LEGALITY AND RECOGNITION ARE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS
Recognition is completely a political notion/act (as stated by Int’l Court of Justice, Kosovo 2010 decision) and has nothing to do with legality. 1/193 country recognizes Northern Cyprus; but even if 0/193 countries recognize NC, this has nothing to do with legality of NC.

The President of the International Court of Justice (ICJ) Hisashi OWADA (2010): “International law contains "no prohibition" on declarations of independence."
the International Court of Justice (ICJ) (2010): "while the declaration may not have been illegal, the issue of RECOGNITION was a POLITICAL one"

Recognition is a political, not a legal matter.

That is to say, "being recognized/not recognized does not affect legality/illegality of a country". Recognition is a political action.

SINCE NORTHERN CYPRUS IS LEGAL, ALL ITS COURTS AND LAWS ARE ACCEPTED IN THE WORLD: SEE 2 & 3 BELOW.

2. ALL LAWS OF NORTHERN CYPRUS ARE ACCEPTED IN EUROPE (EUROPEAN COURT OF HUMAN RIGHTS; ECtHR)
In Northern Cyprus, laws of Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus are valid:
ECtHR’s 02.07.2013 Decision: "...notwithstanding the lack of international recognition of the regime in the northern area, a de facto recognition of its acts may be rendered necessary for practical purposes. Thus, THE ADOPTION BY THE AUTHORITIES OF THE "TRNC" OF CIVIL, ADMINISTRATIVE OR CRIMINAL LAW MEASURES, AND THEIR APPLICATION OR ENFORCEMENT WITHIN THAT TERRITORY, may be regarded as having a legal basis in domestic law for the purposes of the Convention".

ECtHR’s 02.09.2015 Decision: "..the court system in the "TRNC", including both civil and criminal courts, reflected the judicial and common-law tradition of Cyprus in its functioning and procedures, and that the "TRNC" courts were thus to be considered as "established by law" with reference to the "constitutional and legal basis" on which they operated......the Court has already found that the court system set up in the "TRNC" was to be considered to have been "established by law" with reference to the "constitutional and legal basis" on which it operated, and it has NOT accepted the allegation that the "TRNC" courts as a whole lacked independence and/or impartiality......when an act of the "TRNC" authorities was in compliance with laws in force within the territory of northern Cyprus, those acts should in principle be regarded as having a legal basis in domestic law for the purposes of the Convention.." Note: Here, what ECtHR means by "laws in force within the territory of northern Cyprus" is the laws that TRNC published and put into implementation, as can be understood from ECtHR’s above 02.July.2013 decision.

3. UNITED STATES’ FEDERAL COURT: "TURKISH REPUBLIC OF NORTHERN CYPRUS IS A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY"
USA Federal Court (09.October.2014): “Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is a democratic country” "Although the United States does not recognize it as a state, the TRNC purportedly operates as a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC with a president, prime minister, legislature and judiciary...TRNC is NOT VULNERABLE to a lawsuit in Washington" The news of the Court decision (13.10.2014); Page of the Court case (Note the Defendant: Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus!); Decision of the Court

4. THERE IS "NO PROHIBITION" ON DECLARATIONS OF INDEPENDENCE IN INTERNATIONAL LAW
The President of the Int’l Court of Justice (ICJ) Hisashi Owada, 2010: "International law contains "NO PROHIBITION" on declarations of independence."

5. NORTHERN CYPRUS BEING A COUNTRY IS NOT DISPUTED
Northern Cyprus being a country is not disputed. The definition of "country" is bigger than whether being a UN member or not. There are countries that are not member of UN. See, “country” definition in WP: A country is a region identified as a distinct entity in political geography. A country may be an independent sovereign state or one that is occupied by another state, as a non-sovereign or formerly sovereign political division, or a geographic region associated with sets of previously independent or differently associated peoples with distinct political characteristics.

That’s why, even the sources from United Nations (UN) cite Northern Cyprus as a different country: World Happiness Report 2015 of United Nations’ Sustainable Development Solutions Network (SDSN) ranked Northern Cyprus 66th among 158 countries, directly above the Republic of Cyprus, which was ranked 67th. [ http://worldhappiness.report/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/04/WHR15.pdf UN SDSN World Happiness Report 2015 p.27: 2012-2014 country rankings]

United Nations’ (UN) Sustainable Development Solutions Network (SDSN) World Happiness Report 2016: See “Figure 2.2: Ranking of Happiness 2013-2015 (Part 2)” North Cyprus: 62th among 157 countries; (South, Greek) Cyprus: 69th among 157 countries.

Northern Cyprus has legal sovereignty[edit]

Legal Sovereignty: Legal sovereignty is that authority of the state which has the legal power to issue final commands. It is the authority of the state to whose directions the law of the State attributes final legal force. In every independent and ordered state there are some laws which must be obeyed by the people and there must be a power to issue and enforce these laws. The power which has the legal authority to issue and enforce these laws' is legal sovereignty.

ALL LAWS OF NORTHERN CYPRUS ARE ACCEPTED IN EUROPE (EUROPEAN COURT OF HUMAN RIGHTS; ECtHR)
In Northern Cyprus, laws of Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus are valid:
ECtHR’s 02.07.2013 Decision: "...notwithstanding the lack of international recognition of the regime in the northern area, a de facto recognition of its acts may be rendered necessary for practical purposes. Thus, THE ADOPTION BY THE authorities OF THE "TRNC" OF CIVIL, ADMINISTRATIVE OR CRIMINAL LAW MEASURES, AND THEIR APPLICATION OR enforcement WITHIN THAT TERRITORY, may be regarded as having a legal basis in domestic law for the purposes of the Convention".

ECtHR’s 02.09.2015 Decision: "...the court system in the "TRNC", including both civil and criminal courts, reflected the judicial and common-law tradition of Cyprus in its functioning and procedures, and that the "TRNC" courts were thus to be considered as "established by law" with reference to the "constitutional and legal basis" on which they operated......the Court has already found that the court system set up in the "TRNC" was to be considered to have been "established by law" with reference to the "constitutional and legal basis" on which it operated, and it has NOT accepted the allegation that the "TRNC" courts as a whole lacked independence and/or impartiality......when an act of the "TRNC" authorities was in compliance with laws in force within the territory of northern Cyprus, those acts should in principle be regarded as having a legal basis in domestic law for the purposes of the Convention.." Note: Here, what ECtHR means by "laws in force within the territory of northern Cyprus" is the laws that TRNC published and put into implementation, as can be understood from ECtHR’s above 02.July.2013 decision.

UNITED STATES’ FEDERAL COURT: "TURKISH REPUBLIC OF NORTHERN CYPRUS IS A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY"
USA Federal Court (09.October.2014): "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is a DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY" "Although the United States does not recognize it as a state, the TRNC purportedly operates as a democratic republic with a president, prime minister, legislature and judiciary...TRNC is not vulnerable to a lawsuit in Washington" The news of the Court decision (13.10.2014); Page of the Court case (Note the Defendant: Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus!); Decision of the Court

i.e., like any independent sovereign country in the world, Northern Cyprus is not VULNERABLE to a lawsuit in other countries (here in the above case, it is USA).

Northern Cyprus have the capacity to enter into relations with other sovereign states[edit]

Northern Cyprus and Turkey: On 21.09.2011, Turkey and Northern Cyprus signed the EEZ border agreement in New York.[1][2]

Northern Cyprus and Libya: In October 2011, Libya signed cooperation treaties with TRNC government.[3]

Northern Cyprus and EU: In May 2015, the EU Infopoint office that aims to bring the Turkish Cypriots closer to the EU, has been inaugurated in North Nicosia.[4]

Northern Cyprus and Türksoy: In 1994, Northern Cyprus became an observer member of the International Organization of Turkic Culture (Türksoy).[5]

Northern Cyprus and Organisation of Islamic Cooperation: In 2004, Northern Cyprus became an observer member of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation under the title "Turkish Cypriot State".[6]

Northern Cyprus and Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE): In 2004, the Turkish Cypriot community had "observer status" in the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE). Since then, the two Turkish Cypriot representatives of PACE are elected in the Assembly of Northern Cyprus.[7][8]

Northern Cyprus and Economic Cooperation Organization (ECO): On 16 October 2012, Northern Cyprus became an observer member of the Economic Cooperation Organization under the title "Turkish Cypriot State".[9]

Northern Cyprus and International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies: In 2013, Northern Cyprus Red Crescent Society became an observer member of the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies.[10]

Besides above, there are hundreds of Northern Cyprus (sportive, cultural, educational) organizations that are members of international organizations. NC is the number 1 country in the world in "university students/population" ratio. NC is the 12th country in the world that receives international students.Woodgridge (talk) 15:15, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Kingdom of Denmark[edit]

I am curious as to why the Kingdom of Denmark is not listed as an island state? Does anybody know?

Both Greenland and the Faroe Islands are listed on the "notable regions" list and they form a quite large part of the Kingdom of Denmark. Denmark proper even qualifies as an island state on its own, according to the definition given in the article. Only Jutland connects with continental Europe, and then even the northern part of Jutland is an island in itself (see North Jutlandic Island).

RhinoMind (talk) 13:36, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Australia[edit]

Australia is located on a continent. Who considers it an island, he or she knows nothing about geography or simply are illiterate. In similar case one may call any continent as an island. About border, the island of Hispanola which raises no doubts about its categorization as an island has a land border and on its territory are situated two counties. Similar case is with Cyprus. In the past the island of Sakhalin was under jurisdiction of two different and completely culturally unrelated countries. So, the statement about whether Australia has border or not does not necessarily makes the continent an island. If Canada and Mexico would join the United States, the North American continent will not be an island. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 22:33, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

UK - one main island?[edit]

Surely the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is on two main islands, not one? After all, Trinidad and Tobago is listed as having 2 main islands.--94.3.112.109 (talk) 03:20, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Taiwan[edit]

Perhaps a link to the controversial political status of Taiwan? Alexlur (talk) 22:27, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

  1. ^ Official Gazette 12 July 2012
  2. ^ Official Gazette EEZ Border (Page 4)
  3. ^ http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/id/25293446/
  4. ^ Cyprus-Mail
  5. ^ http://www.turksoy.org.tr/EN/belge/2-25322/member-states.html
  6. ^ http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/erdogan-ahmadinejad-discuss-syria-during-private-meeting-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=32524&NewsCatID=338
  7. ^ James Ker-Lindsay (UN SG's Former Special Representative for Cyprus) The Foreign Policy of Counter Secession: Preventing the Recognition of Contested States, p.149
  8. ^ Today's Zaman 2005-2007: CTP Özdil Nami; UBP Huseyin Ozgurgun
  9. ^ "Erdoğan, Ahmadinejad discuss Syria during private meeting - POLITICS". Retrieved 20 February 2015. 
  10. ^ [1]