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Mole Rat?[edit]

Why is there a picture of an East African Naked Mole Rat on this page? Is this intended as a joke? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.177.52.111 (talk) 06:52, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

A large number of the photos on this page are of non-kosher animals. Some of which are not even mentioned in the article, as of this time. I am assuming it is done to be intentionally misleading about what animals are kosher, as intuition would suggest only pictures of kosher animals would be shown since that is the smaller subset of animalia. A casual, naive reader would be misled about kosher laws, adding to the mis-infomation about Jews and engendering anti-semitism from ignorance. Pictures of non-kosher animals have no positive effect on the article, and add no information. All pictures of non-kosher animals should be captioned as such or removed. Does anyone disagree? The mole rat was the same deal, someone trying subliminally suggest it is kosher.Tseiff (talk) 21:35, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

I agree. I found the picture of the fruit-eating bat especially questionable and replaced it with a turtle dove. I would support only Kosher animals be pictured since they are the topic of the article. I will go ahead and make the change if no one objects. Borock (talk) 16:08, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Capon[edit]

I see the list includes capon (something I was unaware until yesterday even existed), but it got me to thinking... Rocky Mountain Oysters are treyf, so how can steers be kosher, in the same way, how can capons be, since they're also missing their betzim? Tomertalk 18:41, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Eh...to be more precise, I'm wondering whether anyone knows of somewhere in the mishna that it covers the !/acceptability of castrating food animals. Tomertalk 18:57, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
This says that capons are kosher.
Rocky Mountain oysters are a different issue. I understand that it's common practice on cattle ranches to castrate large numbers of male calves all at once making steers of them and leaving only a small number to become bulls and reproduce. I suspect this is where the oysters come from and I understand that it violates kashrut to eat any part of an animal cut from its body while it's still alive. Kosher animals must be inspected to be sure they are "unblemished", but I don't know if castration violates this. Even if the testicles are removed post mortem, the processing of any part of the hindquarters of a hooved animal is extremely difficult and expensive under kashrut and seldom done outside Israel. On top of that, there some portions of the carcass that are forbidden under any circumstances, and this may include the gonads. --Steven J. Anderson 08:07, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Right, I understand it's in the list...if it weren't, not only would I not have asked the question, I still wouldn't know that there was such a thing as a "capon". :-) Tomertalk 21:24, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
I have removed it from the list because it is really the same animal as a chicken. Also, I am not sure if it is kosher since it may be considered a treifa. Jon513 19:24, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
So all that remains now is to find a source. :-) Tomertalk 21:24, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Just to let you guys know, I was the one that added capon into the list. I got it from this article, which says they are kosher. That article has a lot of unsourced statements, so if anyone finds sources to this article, they could probably also be used there.--Kirbytime 05:33, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, I figured that's where you got it, and doing a google search for +kosher +capon will turn up a lot of equally unsubstantiated assertions elsewhere that they're kosher. This assertion appeared at one point in Kashruth, at least as early as 2005 (see here), so it's hard telling how many of the other sources are using the WP assertion as their "authority". Tomertalk 06:24, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

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Western people do too eat goat![edit]

Why say that goat is seldom eaten in the west? It isn't as popular as lamb, but it is surely eaten, and is delicious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.175.25.120 (talk) 15:25, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

==Why is honey kosher, when bee is not and sturgent eggs are not because sturgent is not kosher? to follow the logic of the honey would lead to make the stergent eggs kosher?!---

As I understand it, because honey is not the product of the bee itself (it is neither a biological product like eggs, or excrement) but essentially just nectar being transported by the bee, it is kosher. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.112.4.169 (talk) 06:05, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

No primates in the Bible?[edit]

Re: the comment "except for Primates, which (besides humans) are not mentioned by the Bible at all"

Bzzt. Inaccurate!

1 Kings, chapter 10, verse 22, reads "כִּי אֳנִי תַרְשִׁישׁ לַמֶּלֶךְ בַּיָּם, עִם אֳנִי חִירָם; אַחַת לְשָׁלֹשׁ שָׁנִים תָּבוֹא אֳנִי תַרְשִׁישׁ, נֹשְׂאֵת זָהָב וָכֶסֶף, שֶׁנְהַבִּים וְקֹפִים, וְתֻכִּיִּים." ('Ki ani Tarshish lamelech bayam, im Ani Hiram; Ahat leshalosh shanim tavo ani Tarsish, noset zahav vakesef, shenhabim ve'kofim ve'tukiim.', Which translates to something to the line of "For the king had boats of Tarshish at the sea with the boats of Hiram; Once in three years, the boats of Tarshish came, bearing gold and silver, ivory, monkeys and parrots.")

While it's generally agreed that the 'Tukiim' mentioned were really peacocks rather than parrots (which is the modern meaning of the word), but the word 'kofim' means 'monkeys' or 'apes'. (If Christian translations-retranslations-whatever is more your thing, the King James version translated it as Apes, but I like to refer to the original rather than the-ancient-times-equivalent-of-Babelfish-translated unofficial sequels.) There you have it. Primates in the Bible. >>;

Turkeys?[edit]

Turkeys are only found in North and Central America, how is there a tradition?Naraht (talk) 00:27, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

  • I'm not Jewish or really a Biblical scholar, but common sense says they are the same type of birds as chickens, quail, etc. and from the article it seems that American rabbis agree.Borock (talk) 16:06, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Cloven hoof?[edit]

It's not really cloven. It's two out of five possible toes. Uncloven is one toe. Nothing was ever cleft. Not sure how to include this in the article.Borock (talk) 19:29, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Water creatures[edit]

The term "stereotypical fish" is vague, and presumes the reader knows to what it is referring. Skaizun (talk) 15:12, 29 June 2017 (UTC)