Talk:List of law clerks of the Supreme Court of the United States

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Split[edit]

I'm proposing that this page be split into Seat specfic pages in order to make it more browse-able and easier to use. I'll wait a week to see community conensus. Mbisanz (talk) 01:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Strong support - by seat is the most logical split, and it's simply too big not to be, at this point (and will only keep growing). bd2412 T 02:05, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong opposition - I am opposed to splitting this article. I realize that its size is growing, but I think a split would make it much more difficult to notice patterns and trends in general in clerk hiring. A split by seat might reveal patterns and trends for one particular justice, but not for the court as a whole over time. If a split should occur, which I am most certainly not recommending, logically I think it should be done by court (i.e. Warren Court clerks, Burger Court clerks, Rehnquist Court clerks, etc.). That would still allow more general trends and patterns in hiring to be ascertained. BoBo (talk) 11:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
I second this way of splitting the page. I think it's much more relevant to see who were clerks around the same time, than to see who clerked for the Chief Justice throughout 150 years of history. Libertylaw (talk) 13:15, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm not categoically opposed to a split of this format. But I wouldn't be able to do such a split. Right now the info is sorted by justice, and I don't know how to recreate the tables required of such a split. If there is a how-to page, I could take a look, but since this is the consensus of the community, we might need to bring in a more experienced editor. Mbisanz (talk) 22:55, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
I would think a split by court would necessitate a division by term served. For example, all the clerks would still be arranged by seat but also now would be separated in different articles by the time duration of the court involved. For example, the Supreme Court clerks of the Burger Court would still be separated by seat but include only those clerks that had served from OT 1969 to OT 1986. The clerks of the Rehnquist Court would slightly overlap, beginning with OT 1986 and ending with OT 2005. Roberts Court clerks would start with OT 2005. The clerks of terms that end one court and begin a second court would be repeated in successive articles. BoBo (talk) 00:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Correct, that is what consensus seems to be. I'm looking at the code and am confident that I would screw it up trying to break it out like that. Mbisanz (talk) 01:11, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
There's no reason we couldn't have one set of articles on the split by seat, and another on the split by Court, so long as we maintain a single centralized clearinghouse for all of the information to go through. We are, of course, in the business of making an encyclopedia, which means dispensing as musch information as possible in ways that make it as accessible as possible, for whatever uses readers may have. I can see some people having an interest in the progression of clerks for a seat, with others having an interest in the progression of clerks for a Court. bd2412 T 22:13, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Well right now we have a consensus ot split it one way. So as far as splits go, that is the only way. On the other hand, I might take a stab at creating new articles by seat. Mbisanz (talk) 22:15, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't see a consensus to go in any particular direction at the moment. Ergo we may as well go in all directions at once. bd2412 T 22:36, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Good point. I will being tackling the breaking out by seat in the near future. But I'd happily accept help breaking out by court. Mbisanz (talk) 22:39, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I am a little new to do this, but who actually would have to do a split by court? Is there a pool of officially sanctioned Wikipedia editors capable of doing such alterations in rearranging templates? I would think the same basic template of this article could be used for each new article with the clerks of that particular court merely cut and pasted from this article into the new article. Am I oversimplifying the process? I would much prefer a division by court over a division by seat. BoBo (talk) 00:04, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Nope, anyone can do this. That's the beauty of Wikipedia! Libertylaw (talk) 00:08, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Correct anyone can do the split, I just don't know enough of how to format wiki-tables to do more than a simple split. Mbisanz (talk) 01:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
As the article is, splitting by seat would be very simple (it's already done that way on the page). bd2412 T 07:14, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
I do not mind a split by seat AS A BEGINNING, but I would be opposed to it without a guarantee of an ultimate split by court. I would assume that someone in the Wikipedia administration should know how to do a split by court. I have never done a template split and would feel awkward trying it. Can't the site recruit an internal expert to deal with this problem? I fear that once this main article is split by seat, nothing will be done to reconstitute articles of clerks by court. BoBo (talk) 12:08, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Can we have a separate page listing all current and forthcoming clerks? I think a lot of people use this page to find out new hiring news, and it would be more difficult to look at 9 different pages. Libertylaw (talk) 14:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Its a good idea Liberty, but I think its something more for Wikinews than Wikipedia. Current events and news things are generally covered in a more newspaper like format, with the encyclopedia articles more reserved for things of continuing historical record. However, I wouldn't be opposed to year by year pages for each set of clerks. That would permit there to be a "...clerks of 2007" that would be the current and incoming sets. Mbisanz (talk) 22:45, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
How about a page just showing clerks of the 9 current justices, so a justice who has been serving for 20 years would have 20 years worth of clerks listed, while a 2 year justice would just show two years worth. It would still make for a much smaller page and we would still have this big historical page to link to. NoSeptember 14:09, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
That would work very well going forward - at the end of that justice's term of service, we would have a complete list of their clerks. bd2412 T 19:14, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Are we ready to do this? --MZMcBride (talk) 05:19, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I have a plan. Use the method I used in the List of political and geographic subdivisions by total area - have individual pages, but also have a single page into which all the individual pages transclude. Then use this page as a directory of the subpages (including the transclusion page) with a size warning (see List of political and geographic subdivisions by total area (all) (Warning: large page, page loads very slowly). Each subpage uses a templated header and footer, to maintain consistency across the pages. bd2412 T 05:51, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Tested it out some, couldn't get it to work. bd2412 T 07:34, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Eh? What was the issue? I'm pretty good with MediaWiki. ;-) --MZMcBride (talk) 08:05, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Ha! I just realised what the issue is - the "includeonly" tags that I put on the subpages are inside the templates. They need to be outside so each template can transclude independently. bd2412 T 08:13, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Boom, done - no more long page. All transclusions, now. bd2412 T 08:27, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Support split - Article should be split, as the problem of length will only get worse over time, though I am not sure of the best way to split the article (except perhaps for both seat and decade). Although having the list in one place may be nice in theory, List of tambon in Thailand (N–O) was a reality of the number of tambon. --Jax 0677 (talk) 05:35, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Support Split – Because this list has become so long and only will become longer when new clerks are added yearly, perhaps the clerk list should be split by Courts like, for example, the Rehnquist Court, the Roberts Court, etc. TL (talk) 19:40, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Notables versus list?[edit]

While I am not in the law field, I know the significance of being a supereme court law clerk. However, this page seems to not encapsulate that idea. I look at the list, and over 90% seem to be red links and not blue links. I don't see the notability of who was a law clerk in 1941, unless that person rose to prominence other than just becoming the law clerk, i.e. we should have a page dedicated to the blue links, explaining the importance of the position, and maybe a list of current law clerks. Otherwise, all we have is an almost unwieldy list of names where most of them are not notable except for one achievement. It's like listing every student ever getting a scholarship to Harvard or Yale; going to those schools is notable, but not enough so to list every single name, just the notable ones. Angryapathy (talk) 15:53, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

There's a difference between omitting the name altogether, and simply not putting a red link there. bd2412 T 23:25, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Still, that avoids the issue that whether or not the names or red linked or not linked, these names are not notable in themselves to be put into a massive list for purely being a law clerk. I personally think this article would be better if we cut out the non-notables. Anyone have an opinion on that? Angryapathy (talk) 16:53, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. It's providing useful information, particularly with regard to patterns relating to law schools and prior clerkships. If we're going to include those two details, omitting the clerks' names seems pointless. SS451 (talk) 20:17, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the concern; listing every single clerk is not notable. A list of notable clerks, and who they clerked for, could be useful, but to have such a long list of just people who did a random job, no matter how prestigious, feels gratuitous. In contrast to this page, we don't have a list of everyone who was ever been a US senator because each of those people is important to have a page in their own right. If a clerk is not important enough to have their own page I don't think we should list them. I feel like most people not very invested in this page would agree as well. THEMlCK (talk) 05:18, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

The notability of the list itself is derived from the Justices, not the clerks - the individual clerks are not per se notable. What this article does is organize relevant biographical information about the Justices - who they chose and from which school. Obviously, not all of them deserve their own article, and therefore should not be red linked. MattDredd (talk) 04:42, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

RfC: Should the List of law clerks of the Supreme Court of the US be trimmed down to include only notable clerks?[edit]

Should the List of law clerks of the Supreme Court of the US be trimmed down to include only notable clerks? Angryapathy (talk) 18:17, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Comment[edit]

I see that there is strong support for keeping the list, but according to LibertyLaw, it is useful to keep a list of current and former clerks for each sitting justice; however, I still see no reason to keep the extremely incomplete list of clerks from retired/deceased judges. Angryapathy (talk) 16:32, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

The list is not "extremely incomplete"; in fact, a relatively small percentage of entries are missing. Besides, there is no deadline to uncover the remaining omissions. Billyboy01 (talk) 03:30, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
I can see that while this list does not follow WP:STAND: "Selected lists of people should be selected for importance/notability in that category and should have Wikipedia articles (or the reasonable expectation of an article in the future)," since the vast majority of the names on the list will never get their own articles, it looks like consensus goes more toward WP:IAR. It's odd that this list is so important to court-watchers, no other legal site has bothered to list all this information. Angryapathy (talk) 04:09, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Yes: This list has become overly cumbersome. The sheer number of clerks begs the question why every single one deserves mention on WP. According to WP:STAND: "Selected lists of people should be selected for importance/notability in that category and should have Wikipedia articles (or the reasonable expectation of an article in the future)." The majority of these names will most likely not be receiving individual article treatment. Angryapathy (talk) 18:22, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
  • No: This list is an important resource for Court-watchers and clerkship-watchers. It's relevant to keep track of which Justice likes to hire from which schools and appellate judges, and from the other side, it's relevant to keep track of which schools and appellate judges are good at placing their students/clerks at the Supreme Court. Additionally, Supreme Court clerks have a high probability of becoming notable in the future, even though few of them are notable at the time they are hired. The complete list is thus useful as a "people to watch" list as well. --Libertylaw (talk) 23:38, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
So does that explain the need for the clerks in 1910? Angryapathy (talk) 03:30, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
  • No: Libertylaw's argument is persuasive, and there's something to be said for completion when listing members of this select a group. If this particular list becomes difficult to manage, there's nothing that says it can't be split by era, or by justice, or something of that kind. RayTalk 03:47, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
  • No: The length of this article is not unmanageable. There is no reason to make it just about notable clerks. Many people use this article to notice trends in law clerk hiring. Which law schools? Which feeder judges? etc. A more comprehensive list is needed to allow a more accurate perusal for trends, not a trimmed one. BoBo (talk) 04:11, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Concur: All Supreme Court justices are notable, and this list tracks trends in their hiring practices. Omitting non-notable hires would obfuscate these trends. For example, how many non-Columbia grads did Harlan Fisk Stone hire while seated as an Associate Justice? It's not much different than trying to determine how many non-Canadians were selected in the 1963 NHL Draft. In both cases, a comprehensive list of selections made by notable entities contains some non-notable entries, but trying to remove non-notables from the lists would confuse matters by painting an incomplete and misleading picture. That said, I would agree that the article has too many red links and that it makes sense to remove the wiki links for non-notables. Billyboy01 (talk) 04:29, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
  • No: per BoBo Ngchen (talk) 17:06, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
  • No: This is possibly the only place in the world where a compilation of this information exists. Plus, as alluded to above, this list is finite.MattDredd (talk) 23:40, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Yes: While I agree with BoBo that "A more comprehensive list is needed to allow a more accurate perusal for trends", and Billyboy01 for his reasons for concurrinng, and with Ngchen for saying that this may be the only compilation of this material presented in this way, my recognition of the value of this information is unrelated to the fact that Wikipedia is not the place for this kind of resource. As a long-term goal, almost every name worth mentioning on Wikipedia, even as part of a list, ought to either link to a wikipage for that person or to some single notable event in which they had major participation. It is a bother for readers not doing research to come across exhaustive lists that will never be developed, and that is what is happening here. There are rows of dead wikilinks for people who are not known to be notable, and this does not make for a good article. Blue Rasberry 19:23, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Yes. As per Rasberry & WP:SALAT. The goal of the list is admirable, but the exhaustive nature of the list is more appropriate to an legal almanac, not an encyclopedia. If this list holds real value to members of the legal community, I'm sure it can find a home on an open-content legal website. --Whoosit (talk) 22:50, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Yes: Per WP:SALAT. I agree with Whoosit's statement above. Some clerks go on to be federal judges or politicians. However, not all rise to any notability. I believe the standard should be set where the people on the list could each individually have their own article. This high standard I believe is nessacary. --Reubzz (talk) 16:54, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
  • No: Per Bobo and BillyBoy01--Rajah (talk) 00:29, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Yes: Per WP:SALAT. This is a extremely long list of predominantly non-notable people. The law school preferences of certain justices -- a frequently cited justification for the project -- is itself of extremely questionable notability or interest to anyone other than an extremely small set of lawyers who seek these short-term positions. The article is comparable to a list of "persons who took a prestigious residency at Johns Hopkins," "people who became the personal assistant to Brad Pitt" or "pilots qualified to fly the SR-71 Blackbird" or any of the other millions of lists that could be conceived of hard-to-get jobs connected to some notable institution or person. --Red375 (talk) 5 October 2010.
  • No: For lawyers, this is like a list of teams in the NCAA Sweet 16, or of winners of the Boston Marathon. Further, the number of Supreme Court clerks each year is small. There's no good reason to prune the list.--Bhagerty (talk) 22:07, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
  • No. The decision on what constitutes a "notable" clerk will certainly be arbitrary. For example, what about the professor you have in law school? Or the partner in your law office? I have accessed the site dozens of times for various reasons. There is no good reason to shorten the list--wikipedia is not running out of storage space. Those who would prefer the list as is should be able to access it as it is. If a shorter list is prefered, then a simple subheading before the large comprehensive list can be included to say "Notable Clerks." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.108.42.162 (talk) 22:21, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
  • No. Of historical interest. The composition of the clerks is a perennial news story. The clerks are far more notable than the fourth-string quarterback for the Buffalo Bills, but we don't have a problem with complete NFL rosters for every team for every year. 72.66.102.153 (talk) 23:53, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
  • No. Fine arguments have been made above about the inherent "notability" of the contents of this list. I think a lot of the criticisms citing WP:SALAT are inapplicable to a list like this that is so objectively finite. The test for determining a notable clerk will be unavoidably arbitrary, and the points about a complete list being cumbersome are far outweighed by the historical and current importance of a comprehensive list. Verkhovensky (talk) 18:51, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
  • No: This list is an incredibly valuable resource that lawyers and legal journalists rely on frequently. Within the last 24 hours, after some of the names were deleted (to apparent error in deletion by Explicit, I heard from both a leading legal journalist as well as a Supreme Court practitioner (two different people) asking what had happened to the list. It is useful and important.Broodingomnipresence (talk) 19:15, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
  • No. For God's sake. The space argument is spurious; previous iterations of the page are archived so what difference would it make? It grows at a rate of 40-odd clerks per term, and is manageably finite. People who use this page as a reference -- practitioners, journalists, academics, court-watchers, hobbyists -- find it useful in its relatively complete state. Those who don't, want it trimmed for no discernible reason other than housekeeping. So you get it neato -- so what? The utility is gone for everyone else. 220.255.2.83 (talk) 20:38, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
  • No. Law students, professors, and clerkship applicants use this list frequently to track lower judges' success in placing clerks and to research law schools' influences on particular justices. I'd add that some of the "yes" advocates above don't appreciate what an accomplishment a Supreme Court clerkship is in the legal field. Of the 45,000 or so JDs produced each year, fewer than 2,000 will clerk on an Article III court. Of those, only 40 will clerk on the Supreme Court. We mortals are intensely interested in who gets these clerkships. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edh2013 (talkcontribs) 18:49, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Rufus Day[edit]

William R(ufus) Day's clerk is listed as Rufus Day, meaning he clerked for himself. That should be fixed... --Rajah (talk) 00:27, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Why deleting the subpages makes no sense[edit]

Most of the sub pages of this article were deleted as redundant. In fact, they were not--it was necessary to edit the subpages, which showed up through templates here. I undeleted the pages to merge in the content, but having done so, we're looking at a monstrous >300k page.

Therefore, I will undue all of the edits and restore everything the way it was before the PROD deletions. Cool Hand Luke 19:58, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

  • I'll be happy to do cleanup once you get the basics done. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 20:08, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

The list should be rearranged by Justice in chronological order[edit]

This list is awkwardly presented in terms of being presented as "Chief Justice", "seat two", "seat three", etc. Virtually no historical works on the Supreme Court think in those terms (except occasionally in the context of the historic, and now obsolete, sometime allocation of "the Southern seat," "the Catholic seat," and so forth). Rather, people think in terms of eras on the Court. Thus, by far the most useful format for a listing would probably be by Justice, from the earliest Justice to employ a law clerk to the current Justices. An alternative that might be acceptable would simply by Term (i.e., all the law clerks in 1931-32, all the law clerks in 1932-33, etc.). But the current set-up is really not user-friendly. Thanks for your consideration. Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:15, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

I agree. Its odd that near-contemporaries should be so widely dispersed. I plan to make this sort of rearrangement some day unless someone disagrees. Cool Hand Luke 15:53, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
One way to make this work for everyone (including criticism of change made above in June 2006, and March, July, and December 2007): Create one gigantic table using a format similar to that used in List of Justices of the Supreme Court of the United States. Add a column for the Seat Number, change the column of the justices so that the justice name is listed on every line, and make every column sortable. Then the reader could sort by seat, justice, law clerk, start or end date, law school, or previous clerkship. This would enable the reader to see the progression of clerks by seat, or look at clerks who served in a particular year, or track the movement of an individual clerk, or look at the influence of a particular law school. The only information lost would be about the seat itself (when established, etc.), which could be appended as a footnote, and information about when the justice served, which can be obtained by clicking on the justice's name. The table would be long (2,000 rows?), but it would be complete and allow analysis from many directions. Randy Schutt (talk) 18:39, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

List converted into one gigantic sortable table[edit]

Per my suggestion above (28 May 2013), I have converted the 9 tables (each enclosing two sub-tables) that previously made up this page into one gigantic sortable table with 8 columns and 1,955 rows. By being sortable, this new format makes it much easier to see the law clerks hired in a particular year, the clerks with degrees from a particular law school, the clerks who previously worked for a particular circuit court judge, all the justices that a particular clerk worked for in her career, etc. or by some combination of these by shift-clicking on several column sort arrows. Note that this reformatted table relies on a new template called Template:U.S. law clerk row.

In making this conversion, I made only a few changes to the content:

  • Fixed a few obvious typos and formatting errors/inconsistencies and added missing parameters.
  • Added sorting information to the Justices and clerks so that names sort by last name
  • Added sorting information to the longer dates so they sort properly (but this doesn't seem to be working quite right).
  • Changed the name of the following Justices to the form they are most known by:

I also rewrote the introduction (previous here: Template:List of law clerks of the Supreme Court of the United States/introduction) to indicate that Chief Justices other than Rehnquist have hired fewer than 5 law clerks and that judges in Senior status often hire a law clerk. The information describing when each of the Supreme Court seats was created (and when 2 of them were abolished) is now in a note linked at the top of the table.

I did notice two errors in the data: Edwin McElwain is listed as clerking for William Howard Taft in 1938–39, eight years after Taft's death. I don't know the correct information, so I left this. I also saw that Ashby D. Boyle II [1] was listed as graduating from Emmanuel College, Cambridge in England, but the degree he earned was a Masters in Criminology. His JD was from Columbia in 1990, so I changed that.

The only information deleted: the dates of active service of the Supreme Court Justices. But this information can be obtained by clicking on the Justice's name. The main value of this information is to be able to tell when a law clerk is working for a retired Justice (in Senior status). In the future, it might be useful to color code the rows of clerks working for retired Justices to visually highlight them (but I don't know how to do this with a template).

The rows are listed in the same order as before: by seat number (Chief Justice first), then by Justice chronologically (Justice number), and then by law clerk start year. But now, of course, they can be sorted other ways on this page.

I have left intact the original 9 subpages (that were previously transcluded onto this page), with links to them at the bottom of this page (so others can more easily check that I haven't mangled the content). But these pages are no longer linked to this page, so they must be updated separately (and, eventually, abandoned and delinked).

NOTE: Because this table is sortable and so large, it takes a long time to load. On my computer it takes about 25 seconds to render and display and then about 4 seconds to execute each sort. The previous configuration only took about 5 seconds to load. Scrolling is also sluggish and editing is now so slow that it really must be done on an outside editor (copy all the content and paste it to an outside editor, make changes, copy and paste everything back, then save).

The slow rendering and difficulty editing may be unacceptable. And since this table will expand by 40 rows each year, it will only get worse over time. Should my changes be reverted back to the previous, unsortable version with the 9 transcluded tables? Or is there another solution? Ideas? Randy Schutt (talk) 17:45, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Randy Schutt and All, I have done a re-format of "list of...CJ" on my sandbox User:The_Original_Filfi/sandbox (I do need my sandbox for some other bits and pieces, however, I will leave this here for 7 days or so, or until a way forward is agreed) and the size has reduced to 23kb from 55kb+, I have added a minor amount of extra information, made the table sortable, removed dead links, (after testing on a tool to do this specifically, adding back the links will only take 2kb or so) and made the table specific to law clerk, all in all, the added functionality and the reduction of size makes the page more effective, if I repeat this on the other "list of law clerks" articles we could re-apply the trancluded articles to meet all requirements
I amended the entry for Edwin McElwain and notated such, however I have left the error on Ashby D. Boyle II, which is still shown on the "List of..CJ" article to highlight one of the other benefit of the transclusions. I have kept all my work and can add back any items that anyone feels may be needed, please feel to review and comment, offer suggestion etc
Kind regards
The Original Filfi (talk) 12:19, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Is it better to have one big table that can be sorted in every way or 9 smaller tables that can be sorted in every way except across the 9 tables (that is, is it useful to be able to sort the career of a clerk who worked for more than one justice or be able to sort by year or by law school across all justices)? This is the question that must be resolved. Filfi has created an example of the smaller table (though removed the Justice number which makes it possible to sort chronologically by justice). But is the reduction in size worth the limitation in sorting ability? I don't know the answer to this question. What do others think? Has the size of the one large table made it difficult to use? Has the additional sorting capability been useful?
I'm inclined to keep the larger table since the size and loading speed problems seem to be less than I worried about. Have these been problems for others? Having one table also makes it much easier to edit for those who don't understand transcluding. And I think the additional functionality (sorting capability) is worthwhile. I changed to one big table because of all the concerns expressed before about inability to sort and edit (read through the Talk page above). Randy Schutt (talk) 14:29, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
I can add edit links to the source trancluded pages which should direct any editors to the correct table to add or amend any details. Where a clerk has clerked for different courts, he or she may still have 2 entries (or more) which is not so clean, that is certainly a negative. Where we have one place to correct any errors or add details that populates all tables is certainly a positive. I am kind of sitting on the fence a bit here I know. I notice that the current listings by court are not sortable, only the main one is, thanks to Randy. My logic for notating the justices, rather than leaving them in order, is that this is a clerks list and not a justices listing, we can add a "see also" to the justices listing on each article including the main one for navigation and completeness. As any good lawyer or accountant says before committing himself... I will take some advice, lol.The Original Filfi (talk) 19:18, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Law clerks in progress. copied form talk The Original Filfi.[edit]

Hi Filfi,

The table you've created in your Sandbox looks like it might work, that is, enable all the columns of List_of_law_clerks_of_the_Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States to actually be sorted across 9 separate files. How does that work?

If I'm interpreting this correctly, then you could exactly reproduce the table I created with 9 files (or even more). The only thing I see that is clumsy about your table is the extra column needed for editors to find the information they want to change. I also worry that when an editor wants to add data to the table (especially when all the new law clerks are hired and there is a lot to add), they may not be able to figure out how/where to do that (over time, they may make a mess of files).

I also wonder if this will actually speed up the load and edit times for the page. It is possible that the transclusion of multiple files will slow things down.

If you do decide to make this change, I encourage you to keep the columns in the same order as they are now: the law clerks aren't nearly as important as the justices they work for and I imagine most users are more interested in seeing all the clerks who worked for a justice than seeing all the justices that a clerk worked for. But, of course, since all the columns are sortable, this isn't essential. It _is_ essential that the justice number be kept so that the table can be sorted chronologically by justice and I think also that the seat number be kept so they can be sorted by seat.

I am also still wondering if the current table is a problem. No one has complained on the Talk pages about it taking too long to load or edit. Is this a problem you need to solve? Wouldn't it be wise to let the page stay the same for a while (through one law clerk hiring cycle) and see if anyone complains? Randy Schutt (talk) 00:39, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Randy, I will try to address in the order you posted above.

  1. The workings is based on reformatted and repositioned "include" tags, relatively simple in the end.
  2. Agreed, slightly clumsy, I can not find a effective way around that. I can add links to the top of the article to clarify to editors where to add new clerks and an editors note in the tranclusion page to assist in directing them to the right "base page", the edit functionality should suffice for editors wishing to amend or add details to existing entries only.
  3. I think, based on a limited test, there will be virtually no difference between current and proposed load times, proposed might be 3-5% faster at most, please refer to answer 5 below for rational, edit times should be significantly quicker as the editor will only be working on the relevant seats table.
  4. Totally agreed
  5. The only two problems I see, and my ambit here is; A. The size of the article on file, which is a ~9% concern for me at most, and B. Multiple replication of the same information, where one correction is not carried through to the main page or vice versa, so that any updates are not truly reflected, depending on which article the reader or editors are looking at or working on. If we let this carry through to a new set of hirings the same issues apply.

This process, if adopted, could allow for richer base article, extra pictures, most notable cases and significant precedent setting rulings etc. without effecting the main page. I note Law Clerks...6 has external links, (some of which will date relativity quickly), that appear as if they are a wiki link, I think this need changing regardless ASAP. And finally, this will not necessarily be a quick fix, I can write some tools to speed up the process, however beforehand we should beta test one court on a sandbox page, then, when and if approved/agreed by consensus, the roll out could be quite quick. Kind regards The Original Filfi (talk) 02:02, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Filfi,

Regarding point 2. If you make this change, instead of adding an extra column on the right with the edit information, perhaps there could be editor instructions at the top to click on the seat number and have the seat number link to the appropriate editing page.

Regarding point 3. If there is no change in the load time, then I'm not sure that there is any advantage to going back to the 9 seat pages, except it might be easier to edit. And if edit time is important, then breaking the file into 18 pieces (two for each seat) or 27 (three for each seat) is probably better than 9 (perhaps, for example, for each seat have one file for 1888-1970, one for 1970-1995, and one file for since 1995). Or perhaps even better would be to create a separate file for each justice (from 36 to 112, a total of about 75 files) and have the links on the main page be from the justice number.

Regarding point 5. The only reason I left the 9 seat pages intact (instead of removing them altogether) was so that people could check that I had made changes correctly. Since I changed the main page (created the one big table), editors should be making changes to the main file (and either making the same changes to one of the 9 files or doing nothing with them). I'm not sure if that is happening - if not, someone should update the main file with any changes made to the seat pages since I switched to the one big table. I'd be in favor of deleting the individual seat pages so that editors are not confused.

I think I still favor doing nothing for another six months or so and see if anyone else complains or has suggestions. Changing this page is a lot of work. If it is not necessary, then no reason to do it.

Shouldn't this discussion be on the page's Talk page instead of here? Randy Schutt (talk) 19:30, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

wikilinks / external links / no links[edit]

I'm not sure they should all be redlinked, or externally-linked for that matter. Red-linking seems wrong, because they're not all going to be notable -- especially the ones who have clerked just in the past ten years or so. And externally linking this large list of people seems, frankly, unduly promotional. So right now, it seems to me that unless someone has a WP entry already -- or is already notable such that they should have a WP entry -- then I would delete the wikilinks and, frankly, the external links. Which will be horrible to police and maintain. Please see WP:EL : "[I]t is not Wikipedia's purpose to include a lengthy or comprehensive list of external links related to each topic. " and "Long lists of links are not acceptable." and "Stand-alone lists or embedded lists should not be composed mainly of external links." and Wikipedia:NOTLINK. --Lquilter (talk) 15:20, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm of the opinion that none of these former clerks should have external links to their current law firm profile pages. It's just advertising for their firms. Most of these folks do wind up being at least marginally notable, though, so I think redlinking everyone is fine. —/Mendaliv//Δ's/ 21:13, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Chiming in three years later to add my opinion that the redlinks should all be removed, with the exception of individuals who genuinely merit their own biographies. I don't agree that most Supreme Court clerks become notable enough to make a separate biography appropriate. Those who do eventually merit their own bio do so for reasons other than their clerkship. By analogy, consider if we redlinked the name of every congressional staffer. Many congressional staffers do go on to be independently notable, but we shouldn't preemptively redlink all of them for that reason. I believe the list itself is valuable, particularly because Wikipedia is the only place where this information is aggregated (though admittedly it creates source and citation issues). Evaus (talk) 17:25, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
Of the 2,250 clerks listed, 479 currently have their own Wiki bio pages. My only concern in removing the redlinks is that when someone puts up a new Wiki page they will not take the time to link to it from this page. For example, in Jan 2017, someone put up a Wiki page for former Deputy Solicitor General Paul Bender, former law clerk to Learned Hand and Felix Frankfurter. With the redlinks, this page automatically links. Whether "everyone" will someday become notable is a valid point, and many of the new clerks do not have redlinks in recognition it is unlikely they rise to notability, but I hesitate to remove the redlinks from the older names. As a throw away, my estimate is of the 1,750 clerks without a Wiki page, more than half are sufficiently notable to deserve a Wiki page, it's just a matter of time and energy to build them, e.g., John Paul Frank, one of the most brilliant lawyers of his generation, and Francis Kirkham, who was a partner at Pillsbury Madison & Sutro and then general counsel to Standard Oil (both notable but have no Wiki page).Bjhillis (talk) 00:00, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

RFC: Length of article[edit]

Should this article be divided into smaller articles? 86.133.243.146 (talk) 01:13, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Now moot discussion as to whether an RFC was appropriate
  • Close The IP (no doubt a sock of someone) has opened numerous unnecessary RFCs. --NeilN talk to me 02:32, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
    • What makes this unnecessary? And why are you assuming bad faith? If you're gonna make accusations of someone, you better have some evidence to back it up. Ego White Tray (talk) 02:36, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
  • I would suggest splitting by years of service, probably by when the clerk began service. Grouped by 25 years seems about right (2000-2024, 1975-1999, etc). Ego White Tray (talk) 02:34, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Longest

This list is the longest page on Wikipedia, currently. Wow! Jwood (leave me a message) See what I'm up to 03:04, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

  • The utility is that I can search a single article for a given clerk without having to know the seat number (or decade, or justice, etc.). Splitting the article degrades its usefulness. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 11:25, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
  • @Padenton: Really? After 10k edits I though I would have spotted that. So, how would I go about searching for all of the clerks who graduated from Yale? If we keep article as-is, it's trivial to sort the table by university, scroll down and your information is right there. If Wikipedia had a semantic search engine, and if the article were tagged appropriately, and if users knew what the tags were and how to hand them to the search engine, then it doesn't matter so much if the article is split up. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 16:05, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
@Lesser Cartographies: FYI, the notification only works when the change inserting it also adds a signature, but anyways: I admit that the search feature could be better. Could you provide some information as to why filtering the list for a specific school is particularly useful and some information as to who is likely to use it? Really the problem is that the page is massive, near impossible to edit, and serves a very limited population, so some solution really needs to be found. ― Padenton|   16:18, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
  • @Padenton: Being massive is not a problem in and of itself. I just tried editing the article and, as opposed articles with thousands of templates, both the edit screen and the commit were quite quick. Using my browser's search function I was able to locate the Justice I was interested in and made my edit without any difficulty. And we don't usually evaluate articles based on the size of their audience (or the utility of the article for that matter).
But to answer your question about why this is important: a reporter recently asked Chief Justice Roberts if he was concerned that the court's membership was drawn from only two elite universities. He replied: "That's not true. Not all of us attended elite universities. Some of the justices went to Yale." (Roberts is a Harvard man, of course.) Joking aside, the path to a supreme court appointment usually requires clerking for the court, and with a handful of exceptions the justices have selected their clerks from a very small pool of universities. (I believe Sandra Day O'Connor was a significant exception.) Being able to sort through the university affiliations on one page allows a researcher (or interested student) the ability to see the historical trends of where clerks have come from. Was the court more diverse earlier in its history? Can this diversity be ascribed to a greater diversity in clerkships? Those questions are much easier to answer if the required information is in one place.
Finally, splitting the article makes it more difficult to edit, not less. Experienced editors would know that stylistic changes would need to be applied across several articles; newbie editors will tend to make the change in one article and not think to propagate the change. This will over time lead to the several articles diverging, thus requiring a more experienced editor to come in an clean up the mess. If there was a significant upside here, perhaps a cost-benefit analysis would be a rational approach. I honestly don't see the upside. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 17:14, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Alright, I see your point. Perhaps there are other ways that we can address the size. Right now we have a template that is used for each row. As there is a lot of duplication in the first 3 columns, what if we made an additional template for those columns, and pass the remainder of each row as arguments. For example, the template could be {{U.S. law clerk group|count=n|seat=blah|justice-number=blah|justice=blah|clerks=(insert several {{U.S. law clerk row}} here) }} and it could handle the rowspan. It may be a bit confusing to editors, but we could leave comments explaining it in the code and it should cut off a fair bit of the amount of code. This is also not an article that normal editors are going to be expanding often, more likely a very small handful will take up the job of updating. ― Padenton|   19:10, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
@Padenton: If you want to set that up in a sandbox, go for it. Based on my experience with large bibliographies, though, template processing time dominates download time. You might find that adding a second template actually worsens the time to render the page. But go ahead and try it in draft space or your sandbox and see what happens. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 23:25, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Notability[edit]

By attempting to include every law clerk in the history of SCOTUS, this list appears to fail WP:NLIST. Of course, omitting non-notable clerks (e.g. those with red links currently showing) would be ridiculous. Is this list worth having? G. C. Hood (talk) 07:07, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

  • I find the inclusion criteria to be well-defined, the topic is notable, and I've personally found the list to be useful. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 11:28, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Re-split[edit]

A split was agreed upon here: Talk:List_of_law_clerks_of_the_Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States#Split. With no consensus, it was merged back together again into a nearly 800k page, with a table that grows by about 40 rows every year, and needs to be re-split. ― Padenton|   05:51, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

  • Support split - Article is over 800 kB, and should be split due to size. This is a reality of a page growing too large. --Jax 0677 (talk) 16:25, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose—The article loads quickly and is easy to edit. Given its slow growth, I'm not seeing any compelling reason to split the article up. As much of the utility of the article comes from the fact that all the data is in a single place, I can see several research questions that would be far more difficult to answer were the article to be split up. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 17:44, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment. I imagined that I wanted to correct one name within the table and went on to edit this (without clicking "Save page", of course). To my great surprise, this was very easy. Maybe that's a function of the amount of RAM I had available, the OS I'm using, the particular browser (could some alternatives have crashed?), and perhaps even the CPU speed. It seems reasonable to constrain page sizes so that they can be loaded, read, and edited by those less fortunate than oneself; but putting any relevant policy or guideline aside, I wouldn't worry if the page weren't editable by cellphone. (Indeed, I tend to think that people using cellphones have such a restricted view that they shouldn't be attempting to edit anything like this. I rarely use a cellphone even for reading but I do often use a tablet; if an article is worth editing, I suppress the temptation and instead later edit it by computer.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:06, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

This discussion seems to be over, but I just want to comment that the page takes a long time to load, although my computer is relatively new and loads quite rapidly in general. Many people have much slower computers and certainly bigger problems with the article. It might load quickly for some computers, but certainly not for all. This is, in my opinion a good argument for a split. K9re11 (talk) 23:15, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

What does anyone think of my proposal on splitting this article? RuneMan3 (talk) 16:35, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
I see what you're trying to do, but you lose a lot of usability to solve a problem that I'm not convinced exists. When I'm doing research I'd much rather have a single page load slowly than go through the bother of manually cross-referencing multiple pages. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 07:14, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
How would it be less usable? Should I construct or edit a template for this? I was waiting for a go-ahead before doing so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RuneMan3 (talkcontribs) 20:32, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
@RuneMan3: Say I want to get a sense of how law school affiliation has changed over time. Your proposal requires I download multiple pages to do this. The current configuration gives me all of that data in one page. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 13:13, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Could one not do that by looking at one of the Seats? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RuneMan3 (talkcontribs) 03:04, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

  • @RuneMan3: Sure, it's possible. But you're having to look at multiple pages instead of one. If you wanted to, you might write a script that took this page as input and generated all of the pages you propose (perhaps even automatically). That would give us the best of both worlds. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 18:35, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
    • I'm not into script writing. How do I do that?RuneMan3 (talk) 20:26, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose split. There is tremendous value to keeping this information in a single page. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 05:46, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
    • How? RuneMan3 (talk) 12:50, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
      • By keeping all the information on a single page, readers can search for specific terms (e.g. a name, a school, etc.) without flipping between different pages. It also tells readers the total number of hits for a specific term when they run a search. There really sin't anything wrong with creating additional, more specific lists that are broken up according to seat, year, or justice, but we certainly shouldn't get rid of this comprehensive list. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 08:15, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
        • Are you suggesting removing columns? This list is huge. Perhaps we should remove all these red links as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RuneMan3 (talkcontribs) 11:24, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
          • Why is the list being "huge" a problem? The download time is negligible. Browsers aren't breaking. What's the problem you're trying to solve here? Lesser Cartographies (talk) 18:58, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
            • The download time may be negligible for you; but have you polled the rest of our users? The page is currently 802,375 bytes - the second-longest page on Wikipedia (and the longest page is about to be split). At such length, it's unusable for a number of our readers, uneditable for others. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:40, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
              • That is a non-substantive argument for 2 reasons: 1) Wikipedia will always have a 2nd longest page, so perpetually splitting whatever the 2nd longest page is would be an endless and worthless effort. 2) a number of our readers, uneditable for others is WP:Weasely. If there are relatively recent complaints (I wouldn't go back more than a year, arguably 2 at the most, due to Moore's law and all) that splitting the list would solve, please link to them.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  01:56, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
              • @Pigsonthewing: Interesting—because you think download times are a problem, it falls to me to poll users to see if that's the case. Ok, no problem, I'll start a new topic below. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 04:17, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Split: There are already 10 other list articles and given size, I think it's appropriate. While I sympathize with the desire to be able to sort by Alma Mater and such, this may well be the only list on WP with over 1500 entries? I can't really think of any other reason not to split than the statistical analysis argument, and I think it, standing alone, is outweighed by the sheer klunkiness of the page. Montanabw(talk) 23:05, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

How is this page not redundant to List of law clerks of the Supreme Court of the United States (Seat 1) to List of law clerks of the Supreme Court of the United States (Seat 10)? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:42, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

  • @Pigsonthewing: I believe those pages were created recently to mitigate the downloading time problem. If you're looking for clerks who filled a particular seat, that's a good optimization. If you're looking for a particular clerk but don't know what seat they were on, your likely downloading multiple pages. And if you're a prospective law student and want to see what are good feeder schools for supreme court clerkships, or you're a journalist and want to understand how feeder schools have changed over time, you're now having to collate results from across pages (which is much, much slower than the time it would have taken to download a single article).
    I think the pages can co-exist. I would rather there be a database with this information that generates both the single-page and the split-page versions, as I think they're going to drift out of sync otherwise. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 08:26, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
    • "If you're looking for a particular clerk but don't know what seat they were on", then you're far more likely to be using our search function. This page is clearly redundant to the pages that were "created... to mitigate the downloading time problem". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:36, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
      • I had no idea our search function was so powerful. How do you search for "Starts with the letter C, vaguely Irish, probably started in the early 1980s"? We can let users download one page to find that answer, or we can waste a good deal more their time by having them download potentially just as much data over multiple pages and have them scroll through searching each one. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 17:39, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

So, how long does it take for you to download this page?[edit]

There's a perennial complaint that this page is too long, and that some users may be inconvenienced by excessive download times. I've been asked to poll users to see whether or not this is the case. If you care to, please let us know if you find the download time excessive, and if possible, please measure the actual time. Many thanks. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 04:21, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

  1. Download time is ok—Using wget I'm seeing 1.86M, 3.78MB/s, and 0.5s total time. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 04:21, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
  2. Download is fast— I'm not sure how fast my internet is, but the article downloads in about 1-2 seconds. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 05:13, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

This is farcical; the people who have problems downloading or editing the page are unlikely to ever end up here. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:20, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

  • Measuring something is usually better than measuring nothing. If you have a better way of determining if download speeds are an issue I'd love to hear it. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 17:13, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
    • No. Measuring something is not better than measuring nothing, when that something is irrelevant. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:36, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
      • The download time of the page for people who actually use this page is, I would argue, highly relevant. As someone who consults this page from time to time, I'd much rather have ten seconds of download and rendering with all of the information rather than have to go to the bother of multiple tabs open simultaneously. Given the fact that my underpowered chromebook can download and render in well under ten seconds, I'm just not seeing that there's a problem to solve here. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 17:39, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
  • I'm in the United States and on a high-speed connection with a new laptop, so I'm not having issues, but when I've been on slower connections, I sometimes have trouble loading even normal wikipedia pages, so I can only imagine this one... Montanabw(talk)

William O. Douglas missing clerks[edit]

Wikipedia,

I would like to make changes to one of the articles in Wikipedia. Specifically, I would like to add one name to the list of United States Supreme Court law clerks.

It appears that I can edit the list of law clerks as long as I have an account and I am logged in. I feel uncomfortable doing this until my supporting documents have been reviewed. These documents may also help fill other gaps in the list.

Is there any way to identify an individual who sponsors or maintains a page or article? In my case, it would be the article about the law clerks.

Thank you,

George Simpson Simpsongb (talk) 06:42, 25 October 2015 (UTC) georges@pacifier.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simpsongb (talkcontribs) 06:31, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

New clerks to add for McReynolds, Pitney, Butler, and CJ Hughes[edit]

(All of the below names are now entered on the main page.Bjhillis (talk) 15:00, 20 August 2016 (UTC)) Found additional 17 missing clerks for Minton, Moody, Murphy and Miller, need to add to main page.Bjhillis (talk) 04:16, 26 August 2016 (UTC) Completed adding to main page clerks for Minton, Moody, Murphy and Miller.Bjhillis (talk) 19:13, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

I've been adding law schools, graduation dates and prior clerkships where missing. I've focused on the main page, and still need to conform the individual "seat" pages to those edits.

Here's a list of 20 new clerks to add for McReynolds, CJ Hughes, Pitney and Butler; may take me some time to do the coding on the main and seat pages:

I. McReynolds clerks

Leroy E. Reed (clerked 1914-1915)(Georgetown 1913)

S. Milton Simpson (Georgetown, 1913)(clerked 1915-16, 1919-20)

John T. McHale (Georgetown, 1914, did not graduate)(already listed)

Newman Blaine Mallan, Univ of Virginia Law School (1916)(clerked 1917)

T. Ellis Allison, Georgetown Law School (1918)(?), prior clerk, Constantine Joseph Smyth, chief judge, D.C. Cir. (clerked 1917-1918)

Harold ("Hal") Lee George (later General and Mayor of Beverly Hills)(clerked 1919), George Washington University Law School, 1920

Carlyle Solomon Baer (clerked 1921)(did not attend law school)

Tench T. Mayre (Georgetown, 1911)(clerked 1921-22)

Andrew P. Federline (clerked 1922)

Norman Burke Frost (Georgetown 1920) (clerked 1921)

John (James) T. Fowler (5 terms)(Georgetown 1921)(clerked 1926)

Chester H. Gray (1926--clerked 1 month)

Milton S. Musser 1938-1940, Georgetown Law School, prior clerk Nathan Cayton, muni court, District of Columbia (1934-38)

John Wiley Cragun, George Washington Law School (1934) clerked for Sutherland prior, 1934-37

Maurice J. Mahoney Georgetown Law School (1925)(clerked 1927)(already listed)

Ward Elgin Lattin (georgetown llb 1932, JD 1937)(clerked 1934-35)

J. Allan Sherier, George Washington University Law School, clerked 1935

Raymond W. Radcliffe (clerked 1940)

Added above McReynolds clerks to main page.Bjhillis (talk) 12:59, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

II. Chief Justice Hughes clerk

Richard W. Hogue, Jr., Penn, 1930, clerked 1938

III. Justice Pitney clerk

William A.D. Dyke, clerked 1922 Pitney; clerked 1923 for Butler Previous: Assistant clerk, U.S. Senate, 1918-1921. L.L.B., Georgetown University Law School (1921).

IV. Justice Butler clerks

Richard L. Sullivan (stenographic clerk, worked alongside Cotter), 1927. University of Minnesota Law School, 1926

William Devereaux Donnelly (stenographic clerk, worked alongside Cotter), 1928-1936. University of Minnesota Law School, 1928.

Bjhillis (talk) 03:43, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Added the missing clerks above for Hughes, Pitney, and Butler. Bjhillis (talk) 03:09, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

IV. Sherman Minton clerks:

11 missing clerks

Lawrence Russell Taylor, Jr., Indiana University, 1949, first clerk for Minton, 1949

J. Keith Mann, Indiana Univ Law School, 1949, clerked 1949-50 for Justice Wiley B. Rutledge and his successor, Sherman Minton

Raymond W. Gray, Jr., Indiana Univ Law School, 1951, clerked 1951-1952

Gerald Levenberg, Indiana Univ Law School, 1953, clerked 1953(?)

James R. Wimmer, Yale University, LL.B., 1953, clerked 1953-54

Thomas Milton Lofton, Indiana Univ Law School, 1954, clerked 1954-1955.

Samuel C. Butler, Harvard Law School, 1954, clerked 1954-55

Laurence Sherman Fordham, Harvard, 1954, clerked 1954-1955 (3 clerks in 1954-55? Or one of them clerked 1955-56?)

Robert H. Cole, Harvard Law School, 1955, clerked 1955-56?

Richard Conway, Indiana Univ Law School, grad yr?, year clerked?

Richard S. Rhodes, Indiana Univ Law School, 1953, clerked 1956 (When Justice Minton retired, Rhodes was one of the first law clerks for newly appointed Justice William J. Brennan.)

V. William Moody clerks:

Sheldon Eaton Wardwell, Harvard 1907, clerked 1907-08

John A. Kratz, Jr., law school(?), clerked 1909-?

Charles Wilson, law school, year clerked?

VI. Frank Murphy clerks:

William J. Schrenk, Jr., University of Michigan, 1949, clerked 1949?

J.R. Swenson, Univ of Michigan 1948, clerked 1948

VII. Samuel F. Miller clerks:

Noble E. Dawson

E.D. York

New clerks to add for Frankfurter, Brandeis, Brennan, William O. Douglas, Tom Clark, Marshall and Warren[edit]

(All of the below names are now entered on the main page.Bjhillis (talk) 14:50, 20 August 2016 (UTC)) Found 13 missing clerks of Thurgood Marshall, listed below.Bjhillis (talk) 03:18, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Clerks missing from the main page:

I. Frankfurter's clerks

John H. Mansfield, Harvard '51

Donald T. Trautman, Harvard '46

II. Brandeis's clerks

Henry M. Hart Jr., Harvard '26

David Riesman, Harvard '31

Source: Felix Frankfurter Dies; Retired Judge Was 82, Harvard Crimson, February 23, 1965 (http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1965/2/23/felix-frankfurter-dies-retired-judge-was/)

8 Missing Brandeis clerks:

1. William A. Sutherland, Harvard 1917, clerked 1921-23, two years.

2. Louis Levanthal Jaffe, Harvard LLB 1928, clerked 1928-1931 (or clerked 1933-1934, not clear) S.J.D. degree at Harvard Law School in 1932

3. W. Graham Claytor, Jr., Harvard 1936, clerked 1937-38. Previously clerked for Learned Hand, Judge of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit.

4. Robert Page, Harvard 1926, clerked 1926-1927

5. Irving B. Goldsmith, Harvard (LLB 1926)(SJD 1927) clerked 1928,

6. William G. Rice, Jr. Harvard 1920, clerked 1921-22

7. William McCurdy, Harvard 1922, clerked 1922-23,

8. Warren Stilson Ege, Harvard 1924, clerked 1924-1925

Brandeis had 21 clerks, 13 listed already on main page, so missing 8. This should be all of them. Added these to main page Bjhillis (talk) 01:53, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Sources: For a list of Brandeis’s clerks and information about their careers as of the mid-1940s, see ALPHEUS T. MASON, BRANDEIS: A FREE MAN’S LIFE 690 (1946).

Roy M. Mersky, Louis Dembitz Brandeis, 1856-1941: a bibliography - List of law clerks, page 11 (Published for the Yale Law Library by the Yale Law School, 1958)(44 pp)

III. Brennan clerk:

Michael Edward Tigar, Berkeley, 1966 (clerked 1966--Brennan let him go after only 1 week because J. Edgar Hoover wrote to say Tigar was involved in anti-war activities at UC Berkeley)

Another Wiki editor pointed out Tigar's offer was rescinded, so he didn't officially clerk. Tigar deleted from the main page.Bjhillis (talk) 15:30, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

IV. William O. Douglas clerks

Douglas had 54 law clerks; 41 currently listed, so missing 13 names. (http://supremecourthistory.org/pub_journal_samples_05.html)

Bjhillis (talk) 03:02, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

These are the missing Douglas clerks I could find:

1. Michael Clutter, USC Law School, 1973 (1973 Term)

2. James F. Crafts, Jr., Stanford Law School, 1953 (1953 Term)

3. Donald E. Kelley, Stanford Law School, 1973 (1974 Term). Prior clerkship: Judge Robert F. Peckham of the United States District Court for the Northern District of California (1973-74)

4. Charles A. Miller, Berkeley, 1958 (1958 Term)

5. Evan L. Schwab, University of Washington, 1963 (1963 Term)

6. Gary Torre, Berkeley, 1948 (1948 Term)

7. Walter B. Chaffee, Berkeley, 1940 (1941 Term)

8. Richard W. Benka, Harvard Law, 1973 (1973 Term)

This brings the total to 49, so still missing 5--not done yet but chipping away.

Bjhillis (talk) 16:28, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Added the Brennan and Douglas clerks to the main page. Also added missing law schools and graduation years to other clerks. Bjhillis (talk) 02:25, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Added the missing Frankfurter and Brandeis clerks to main page. David Riesman was already listed.Bjhillis (talk) 03:10, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

V. Frankfurter (More)

Found another 11 missing Frankfurter clerks. Do we need to somehow note that David Filvaroff and Peter Edelman were picked by Frankfurter, but when he retired in Summer 1962 they both moved over to Goldberg?

Frankfurter: 11 missing clerks

1. Harry K. Mansfield, Harvard 1943, clerked 1944. He was a clerk first for Judge Henry Edgerton of the District of Columbia Court of Appeals. (As an aside, Is he related to John Mansfield, the Frankfurter clerk from 1951?)

2. Fred Norman Fishman, Harvard, LL.B. '48, clerked 1949

3. Weaver White Dunnan, Harvard Law School in 1949, clerked 1950. Prior clerkship: Augustus Hand, USCOA 2nd Cir., 1949-50

4. Abram J. Chayes, Harvard 1949, clerked 1951

5. Matthew Gering Herold, Harvard Law School (1952?), clerked 1954

6. Richard E. Sherwood, Harvard Law School 1952, clerked 1954

7. Andrew L. Kaufman, Harvard Law School 1954, clerked 1955-57 (2 years clerked)

8. J. William Doolittle, Harvard Law School 1954, clerked 1957

9. Morton M. Winston, Harvard Law School 1958, clerked 1959

10. Daniel Mayers, Harvard Law School 1960, clerked 1960

11. Roland ("Robin") Stevens Homet, Jr., Harvard Law School 1961, 1961 (also clerked for John Marshall Harlen)

Will add these to main page later. Will conform seat pages after I add to main page: these 11; the McReynolds clerks above; fill in more missing law schools and grad dates; and the new 2016 Term clerks noted below.Bjhillis (talk) 02:34, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Added these 11 Frankfurter clerks to main page. Have not yet noted Roland Homet as clerk for John Marshall Harlan.Bjhillis (talk) 02:56, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

VI. Tom Clark clerks

New detail on law school and graduation dates for the below names already listed on the main page:

Percy D. Williams, Jr., Harvard, 1946

C. Richard Walker, University of Chicago, 1950

Bernard Weisberg, University of Chicago, 1952

Ellis H. McKay, University of Pennsylvania, 1953

John J. Crown, Northwestern University, 1956

Harry L. Hobson, New York University School of Law, 1956

Robert Gorman, Notre Dame Law School, 1957

Charles H. Phillips, (Irell & Manella)

Max O. Truitt, Jr., Yale, 1958

Carl Estes II, Texas, 1960

James E. Knox, University of Houston, J.D., 1964 [admitted Texas Bar 1962]

Burk Mathes, Jr., lived in Los Angeles USC/UCLA?

Martin J. Flynn, Indiana University, 1962

James H. Pipkin, Jr., Harvard, 1963

Michael Maupin, University of Virginia, 1964.

Charles D. Reed, South Texas College of Law, Texas A&M Univ, 1965

MISSING TOM CLARK CLERKS: (many on the seat 10 page)

The below 19 names are missing from the main page, but most of them are listed on the "seat" 10 page.

Yr Clerked - Name - Law School and Grad Yr.

1950-51 Donald F. Turner

1951-52 Stuart W. Thayer; Yale 1951

1952 Vester T. Hughes, Jr., Harvard 1952

1952-53 Frederick M. Rowe; Yale 1953

1953-54 Ernest Rubenstein, yale 1953

1954-55 John Kaplan, Harvard 1954; William Kenneth Jones, Columbia, 1954

1955-56 John E. Nolan, Georgetown 1955; Robert W. Hamilton, Chicago, 1955

1957-58 William D. Powell, SMU 1957

1959-60 Cecil Wray, Jr., yale 1959; Larry Temple, Texas 1959

1960-61 Carl Estes, II [ADD "II"]; Malachy Mahon, Fordham, 1960

1962-63 Raymond L. Brown, Mississippi 1962

1963-64 James L. McHugh, Jr.; Villanova 1963

1964-65 Shannon H. Ratliff , Texas 1964

1965-66 Lee A. Freeman, Jr.; Harvard 1965

1966-67 Stuart Philip Ross, GW 1966;

Marshall Groce

All of the above names are added to the main page. Still missing law school info for Burk Mathes, Jr. (USC/UCLA), and Donald F. Turner (clerked 1952-53).Bjhillis (talk) 14:50, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

VII. Thurgood Marshall clerk

Gary Wilson, Stanford Law 1968, clerked Thurgood Marshall, 1969

Added Gary Wilson to main page list.Bjhillis (talk) 11:28, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

13 missing Thurgood Marshall clerks:

Bernard J. Carl, U VA 1972, clerked Thurgood Marshall 1973-74 http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/alumni/uvalawyer/f04/marshall.htm

Daniel Segal, Harvard 1973 From 1974 to 1975, Dan served as law clerk to the Honorable David Bazelon, Chief Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. From 1975 to 1976, he served as law clerk to the Honorable Thurgood Marshall http://www.hangley.com/team-member/daniel-segal

David M. Silberman, Harvard Law School, 1975 began his career as a law clerk to Justice Thurgood Marshall (1975-76?) http://www.consumerfinance.gov/about-us/newsroom/david-silberman-named-acting-deputy-director-of-the-cfpb/

David A. Barrett, Columbia Law School, J.D., 1974 Justice Thurgood Marshall, United States Supreme Court, 1976-1977 Judge Wilfred Feinberg, United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, 1974-1975 http://www.bsfllp.com/lawyers/data/0152

Vicki C. Jackson, Yale Law in 1975 She also served as a law clerk to U.S. Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall (1977-78?); to Judge Murray Gurfein, U.S. Court of Appeals, Second Circuit (1976-77); and to Judge Morris Lasker, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York (1975-76). http://today.law.harvard.edu/vicki-c-jackson-appointed-professor-of-law-at-harvard/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicki_C._Jackson

Miles N. Ruthberg, Harvard Law School, 1976 Mr. Ruthberg served as law clerk for Justice Thurgood Marshall (1977-78) of the US Supreme Court and for Judge Carl McGowan of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia (1976-77). https://www.lw.com/people/miles-ruthberg

Phillip L. Spector, Harvard 1976 law clerk to Judge James Oakes of the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit (1976-77) and to Justice Thurgood Marshall of the US Supreme Court (1977-78) https://www.milbank.com/professionals/phillip-spector.html

Allan B. Taylor, Harvard 1975 Judge J. Skelly Wright, U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, 1975-1976. law clerk to Justice Thurgood Marshall, 1976-77 http://legalbistro.net/attorneys/hartford-ct-06103-day-pitney-llp-allan-b-taylor-17000.html?isAuthenticated=false&socialFacebookKey=304835802900609 http://www.24livepress.com/usa-lawyers/allan-b-taylor/

David G. Norrell, University of Virginia School of Law, J.D., 1977 Clerked Thurgood Marshall, year uncertain 1978-79? Or 77-78? http://www.martindale.com/David-G-Norrell/364578-lawyer.htm

Paul Mogin, Harvard 1980 Law Clerk, Associate Justice Thurgood Marshall, United States Supreme Court, 1982-1983; Law Clerk, Judge Henry J. Friendly, United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, 1980-1981 https://www.wc.com/Profiles/Paul-Mogin

Rosemary Herbert, Yale University, 1985 Law Clerk, Hon. Thurgood Marshall, U.S. Supreme Court (1986-1987); Law Clerk, Hon. Wilfred Feinberg, U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit (1985-1986). http://oadnyc.org/team/

Debra L. W. Cohn, NYU 1987 Clerked for United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit Judge James L. Oakes and then for United States Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall. 1988-89 http://www.baldwinschool.org/page.cfm?p=1104

Rao, Radhika D., (clerked 1992-93, shared with Blackmun)

Lawrence P. Tu, Harvard 1982 law clerk for Judge Walter Mansfield on the U.S. Court of Appeals (1981-82), and later for U.S. Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall (1982-83) http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-ct-cbs-lawrence-tu-20131113-story.html

Source: “Finding Aid to Thurgood Marshall Papers,” Library of Congress, list of clerks

Added these to the main page.Bjhillis (talk) 03:18, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

VIII. Earl Warren clerks

10 missing clerks of CJ Earl Warren

1 Robert J. Hoerner, clerked 1958, University of Michigan, J.D., 1958

2 Arthur I. Rosett, clerked 1959, L.L.B., 1959, Columbia University

3 Joseph W. Bartlett, clerked 1960, Stanford Law School, 1960,

4 James N. Adler, clerked 1961, University of Michigan, J.D., 1961 (Law Clerk to Justice Charles E. Whittaker and Chief Justice Earl Warren, U.S. Supreme Court, 1961-1962)

5 Stuart R. Pollak, clerked 1962, Harvard Law School (LL.B. 1962)

6 Dennis M. Flannery, clerked 1964, University of Pennsylvania Law School, 1964

7 Harold B. Finn, III, clerked 1966, Columbia Law School, L.L.B., 1966 (Following law school, he served as a law clerk on the United States Supreme Court to the late Chief Justice Earl Warren and the late Associate Justice Stanley F. Reed.)

8 Charles H. Wilson, clerked 1967, University of California, Berkeley, 1967

9 Robert T. Lasky, clerked 1968, University of Pennsylvania, LL.B., 1967

10 G. Edward White, clerked 1971, J.D., Harvard Law School, 1970

Source: Law Clerks of Chief Justice Earl Warren, Regional Oral History Office, The Bancroft Library, University of California, Berkeley (2015). Retrieved August 15, 2016. Out of fifty-one individuals who clerked for the Chief Justice, http://bancroft.berkeley.edu/ROHO/projects/lawclerks/transcripts.html

Found missing clerk for Thurgood Marshall and 10 missing clerks for Earl Warren. These are in queue for placement on main page, along with the Tom Clark and McReynolds clerks.Bjhillis (talk) 01:36, 16 August 2016 (UTC) The 10 Earl Warren clerks are added to the main page.Bjhillis (talk) 19:45, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

I added detail on main page of law school graduation year and prior clerkships for roughly 20 names (e.g., Louis Feldman, etc.). Added missing clerks (e.g., Michael Doss, Harvey Jacob, Richard E. Repath). I have not yet updated the main page with the Tom Clark clerks, listed above. (As an aside, it was interesting the Seat 10 page had a lot more clerk names than the main page. Once we conform all the pages it will take care of the data imbalances.) Also, have not yet updated the main page with the 18 new McReynolds clerks, or 11 new Frankfurter clerks. Bjhillis (talk) 03:05, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Cleaned up missing law schools and grad years for several entries, and fixed transposed name. For roughly 25 O.W. Holmes clerks added law school and grad yrs. Also added grad yrs for Reed clerks. Finally, added clerks for Charles Evans Hughes.Bjhillis (talk) 02:33, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Corrected name nits (added "Jr" to Kadel and Giuffra), corrected grad yr and added 2nd prior clerkship for Stras, added grad yr for Donald Hiss and Larry Simon, lengthened time Ken Starr clerked for Burger from one year to two, 1975–77, per his Wiki bio page.Bjhillis (talk) 02:07, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Added the missing McReynolds clerks, and Tom Clark clerks to the main page. Added 10 Earl Warren clerks to main page. Added law school and clerkship details to Ray Brown Wiki page. All of the names called out above have been added to the main page. Two tasks remaining: (1) adding the 2016 clerks (34 names), per below; and (2) conforming the many new names and details (law school, grad yr, prior clerkships) on the main page to the seat pages, with the expectation that the seat pages may contain names and details not yet on the main page.Bjhillis (talk) 14:50, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Bold text== 2016 Term Clerks--34 names ==

On July 25, 2016, the 34 names of the upcoming Term clerks were released. Need to add these, and cap out the terms of the current clerks. http://abovethelaw.com/2016/07/supreme-court-clerk-hiring-watch-the-official-list-for-ot-2016/

http://abovethelaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/SCOTUS-Law-Clerk-List-OT-2016.pdf

Bjhillis (talk) 10:56, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Added the 2016 clerks to the main page. Made a few style edits in opening paragraphs, e.g., over "1900" to "2100" clerks listed; "at least six" clerks became Justices to "six"; and removed "to be" under Alger Hiss (not needed). Removed the Wiki call out for "single source" since we now list several sources. Bjhillis (talk) 04:49, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Three points: (1) I am still adding the roughly 45 missing clerks noted above for McReynolds, Clark and Frankfurter. Plus, there's the 34 new names from 2016 Term. There are currently 2075 entries on the main page. The new 80 names added to the 2075 currently pushes the number to over 2,150. The text currently reads: this lists "more than 1,900 law clerks." After completing these updates, we will need to change that to read: "more than 2,100 law clerks." (2) I've also been adding to the "Sources" list, and at some point we can delete the "single source" Wiki call out on the top of the main page. (3) There's a Wiki call out for cites ("This article needs additional citations for verification.") But an issue with this page is we don't footnote each clerk. Instead, it's coded to link to those clerks with their own Wiki page. Roughly 400 of the 2150 clerks have their own Wiki page, or 20 percent. So this page relies on "trust" of the authors that the info stated is accurate for the other 80 percent. In that case, not sure what to do about the Wiki call out on "needs citations."Bjhillis (talk) 02:49, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

@Bjhillis: Many thanks for your hard work to improve this article. I don't think there is anything wrong with adding footnotes for individual clerks -- some entries in this list already have inline citations. In fact, I would recommend doing so, whenever possible, per WP:CITE. All the best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 19:49, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Having completed adding the 2016 clerks, and the missing clerks, I will next turn to conforming the main page to the seat pages. A summary of the numbers: The main page has 2,146 clerk entries. 17 have dupe entries (that is, 2 rows for 2 consecutive years with the same justice), and should be collapsed to single entries, as follows:

William H. Block (Blackmun, 1975-77)

Murray H. Bring (Earl Warren, 1959-61)

Abner S. Greene (Stevens, 1987-89)

Tali F. Farhadian (O’Connor, 2004-Jan 2006)

Larry A. Hammond (Powell, Jan 1972-1973)

Andrew L. Kaufman (Frankfurter, 1954-57)

Michel A. LaFond (Blackmun, 1970-72)

Stephen R. McAllister (White, 1989-91)

James C.N. Paul (Vinson, 1951-53)

Jeffrey F. Pryce (White, 1991-93)

Kenneth F. Ripple (Burger, 1973-75)

Peter J. Rubin (Souter, 1991-93)

Margo Schlanger (Ginsburg, 1993-95)

Arthur R. Seder, Jr. (Vinson, 1947-49)

Stuart H. Singer (White, 1981-83)

Howard J. Trienens (Vinson, 1950-52)

J. Harvie Wilkinson III (Powell, Jan 1972-1973)

In sum, 2,146 less 17 dupes to remove yields 2,129 clerk entries. Of these, 47 are duplicate entries which should remain. These are entries of a clerk serving two different justices in consecutive terms (e.g., John J. Byrne), a shared clerkship with two justices, or a break in service to a single justice (e.g., Clarence York). So 2,129 less 47 yields 2,082 unique clerk names, more or less, on the main page. The process of conforming the main page to the seat pages will likely add 20-30 new clerks to the main page, stabilizing around 2,100 unique clerk names. The main page also requires attention to the “shared with” clerks, half of whom have two entries (one with each justice), but the other half have single entries, and require a second. This will add rows to the list, but not new clerk names [see below, list of 35 "shared with" clerks who need second entry]. QC and error rate: In an array this size, expect an error rate of 2-3%. Errors can include name spelling, transposed names, incorrect law school or grad yr, missing prior clerkship, incorrect clerk years, and missing justice-to-clerk attributions (esp. "shared with" clerks). Users are encouraged to audit the data presented. Having said that, some of the data is deeply buried and very hard to find.Bjhillis (talk) 14:24, 21 August 2016 (UTC) Added the 2017 clerks names to the main page.Bjhillis (talk) 18:10, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Added graduation years to 12 Horace Gray clerks using the 1895 version of the Harvard Law School alumni directory. Fixed Wiki link to Ezra Ripley Thayer, and added category of "Law clerks to the U.S. Supreme Court" to his page.Bjhillis (talk) 03:33, 24 August 2016 (UTC) Added prior clerkships for five clerks: Kevin T. Baine, Mollie McUsic, Scott McIntosh, Frederika Paff, and Cammie Robinson (Hauptfuhrer). Fixed several name format nits. Fixed out of date sequence entry for Philip Soper and William E. Nelson. Added grad yr for Jeremiah Smith (Harvard 1895), and added "Jr", per Harvard Crimson, and grad yr for Langdon Parker Marvin (Harvard 1901), later law partner with Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Added missing Reed clerk 1943, Luther Birdzell, Jr., (Harvard Law Review photo 1942) who may have clerked prior for A. Hand, 2d Cir. Bjhillis (talk) 01:42, 25 August 2016 (UTC) Added 3 new clerks for William R. Day and Joseph P. Bradley (1890s); added law schools, grad yrs and name nit fixes to 10 clerks, e.g., Eugene E. Beyer, Jr. (not middle initial "A"), Carolyn Shapiro (U Chicago 1995), Trisha B. Anderson (Harvard 2003), and Alfred McCormack (Columbia 1925). Bjhillis (talk) 03:47, 27 August 2016 (UTC).

Added 11 missing clerks for Sherman Minton (e.g., Thomas M. Lofton, Raymond W. Gray, Jr., Samuel Butler, etc). There are 3 clerks listed for 1954-55, probably one of those clerked 1955. Still need grad yr for Richard Conway, and year clerked (1956?). Bjhillis (talk) 19:15, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Added 6 missing clerks for Lewis Powell: Charles Ames, clerked 1977; Eugene Corney, clerked 1977; Mary Ellen Richey and Gregory May, both clerked 1979; Ronald G. Carr, clerked 1974; J. Phillip Jordan, 1975 (law school and grad yr uncertain).

Added missing clerk for Potter Stewart: Jack L. Evans, clerked, 1958.

Added missing Burton clerks: Bruce Griswold, clerked 1947-49, Preble Stoltz, clerked 1957; prior clerkship for Burton clerk W. Howard Mann (Rutledge, DC Cir). Harold Hitz Burton: "From 1945 through 1958 twenty-three law clerks served with Justice Burton." 19 clerks are listed, so 4 still missing.Bjhillis (talk) 21:45, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Added 5 missing clerks for Vinson: Daniel Walker, clerked 1950, and fixed link to Wiki page (governor of Illinois, 1973-1977); Murray Schwartz (1949-51); Karl R. Price (prior clerk Charles Edward Clark 2nd Cir)(1947-48, dates uncertain); David E. Feller (1947-49), and another source says clerked 1948-1948; Isaac N. ("Ike") Groner (1948-49). Push back 1 year clerkship of Arthur R. Seder, Jr. to 1948-50, from 1947-49. James E. St. Clair, Linda C. Gugin, Chief Justice Fred M. Vinson of Kentucky: A Political Biography, p 176, photo of law clerks June 1951.Bjhillis (talk) 04:27, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Added missing Blackmun clerk: Charlotte Crane, Michigan 1976, clerked 1977, prior clerk to McCree 6th Cir. Added missing Earl Warren clerk: Donald M. Cahen, Univ of Calf Berkeley 1957, clerked 1957. Fixed link to Wiki pages for: Paul Brest; Stuart Banner; Leondra R. Kruger; and A. Lee Bentley, III (and added to his page the category, "Law Clerks of the U.S. Supreme Court"). Made several name format nits, added: "Jr." to "Robert Allen Long, Jr."; middle initials; nicknames; and married names. Adjusted clerkship years for Kathleen Morality (Mueller) to 1991-92 from 1992-93; and added 2nd prior clerkship to Amy J. Wildermuth (Calabresi 2d Cir and H. Edwards DC Cir.)Bjhillis (talk) 04:36, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Blackmun missing clerks: "Over the course of his tenure on the court from 1970 to 1994, and his five years as a retired justice before his death in 1999 Justice Blackmun had ninety-four law clerks. During his first full term and the next five terms he had three clerks; thereafter, beginning with October term 1976, he had four clerks; in the five years after his retirement he had one clerk each year." Wiki lists 84 clerks, plus five in retirement, so 10 still missing. Years with missing Blackmun clerks: 1974; 1980 (2 missing); 1983; 1984; 1986; 1987; and 1989.

Brennan missing clerks: “Accounts vary of the number of law clerks who worked for Justice Brennan. During his active tenure on the Court, Justice Brennan directly employed 102 law clerks and at times had the services of at least four more who were clerking for retired Justices. After he retired, he had seven additional law clerks. See, e.g., TODD C. PEPPERS, COURTIERS OF THE MARBLE PALACE: THE RISE AND INFLUENCE OF THE SUPREME COURT LAW CLERK 220–21(2006)(listing 108 law clerks for Justice Brennan); Justice Brennan Memorials, BRENNAN CENTER FOR JUST., N.Y.U. SCH. L. (noting that Justice Brennan worked with 112 law clerks). Wiki lists 98 clerks (5 while retired), plus 4 more "share with" clerks. So still missing 4 clerks, plus 2 more while retired.Bjhillis (talk) 04:36, 31 August 2016 (UTC) With the recent additions of missing clerks from the Library of Congress list, the Wiki list of Brennan clerks is complete, or close to it.Bjhillis (talk) 03:10, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Added missing clerk for Hugo Black: Robert A. Girard, Harvard, 1956, clerked 1956-57. Added law school and grad yr for: Stanley Sparrowe (Berkeley 1946); Joseph M. Paley (Fordham, 1921); Luther E. Birdzell, Jr. (Harvard 1942); and Robert Romans (Harvard 1894). Several name nit format fixes, middle initials, hyphens, nicknames and married names (no attempt is made to differentiate between those who use or omit a so called "married name"--it is simply the name of a spouse). Fixed link to Wiki pages for: Risa L. Goluboff; Brian G. Cartwright; Dallin H. ("Darrell") Oaks; and removed search brackets for William Cohen to avoid disambiguation. Added as Source "Stanford Law School, Photo Directory, 1991-1992," with faculty bios describing clerkships.Bjhillis (talk) 04:15, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Focused on adding detail to more recent clerks: added full first names, middle names and initials, married names and nicknames to roughly 200 clerks. Corrected grad yrs and added prior clerkships.Bjhillis (talk) 10:18, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Added 17 missing clerks (mostly Brennan clerks found in the Library of Congress list): Theodore ("Ted") Eisenberg, Penn 1972), clerked Earl Warren 1973, prior clerk for unknown judge DC Cir ( (Note Eisenberg, clerked 1973-74, "shared with" Earl Warren and Warren Burger, per Penn Alumni Bulletin); Robert A. Green, Georgetown 1983, clerked Blackmun 1984, prior clerk Harry Edwards DC Cir.; Frederic D. Woocher, Stanford 1978, clerked Brennan 1979, prior clerk Bazelon, D.C. Cir; Paul F. Washington, Fordham 1995, clerked Brennan 1996-97 (shared with Souter), prior clerk Tatel D.C. Cir.; add Regina G. Maloney, Georgetown 1988 dates uncertain, clerked Brennan 1989-90, dates uncertain; Eric P. Rakowski, Harvard 1987, clerked Brennan 1988-89, prior clerk Harry Edwards DC Cir.; Robert B. Stack, Georgetown 1984, clerked Potter Stewart (retired) 1985-86, prior clerk Flannery, D.C. Cir; Roy Arnold Schotland, Harvard 1960, clerked Brennan 1961-62; Douglas A. Poe, Duke 1967, and G. Marshall Moriarty (shared with Stewart, Black, Burger), both clerked Brennan 1969-70; Jordan A. Luke (Clerkships, p. 10), Penn 1972, clerked Brennan 1973-74; Rory Knox Little, Yale 1982, clerked 1984-85 (p 1598, fn 37) (shared with Stewart, Powell, Stevens), prior clerk Obendorfer, D.C. Cir.; Daniel Michael Harris, Harvard 1977, clerked Brennan 1978-79 (same year as Merrick Garland), prior clerk Browning, 9th Cir.; Francis M. Gregory, Jr. (p. 839, fn *), Notre Dame 1966, clerked Brennan 1967-68, prior clerk McGowan, D.C. Cir.; David M. Geronemus, NYU 1982, clerked Potter Stewart 1983-84 (retired), prior clerk Seitz, 3rd Cir.; William T. Finley, Jr., Harvard 1964 (grad yr uncertain), clerked Brennan 1964-65; Peter Jonathon Busch, Virginia 1977, clerked Brennan 1978-79 (same yr as Garland), prior clerk Coffin, 1st Cir.; James Russel Bird, Chicago 1977, clerked Brennan 1978-79 (too many clerks in this Term now), prior clerk Skelly Wright, D.C. Cir. Bjhillis (talk) 06:57, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Added 4 missing Blackmun clerks (found in the Library of Congress list): Bruce C. Swartz, Yale 1979, clerked Blackmun 1980-81, prior clerk Feinberg, 2d Cir.; Malcolm L. Stewart, Yale 1988, clerked Blackmun 1989-90, prior clerkship unknown; David Allan Gates III, Vanderbilt 1972, clerked Blackmun 1974-75, prior clerkship unknown; and John P. Dean, Columbia 1979, clerked Blackmun 1980-81, prior clerkship unknown.Bjhillis (talk) 03:04, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Add missing prior clerkship to Johsua P. Waldman (clerked Stevens 1999) for Garland DC Cir, per Columbia Law clerkship handbook, p B-1; added full first names, middle names and initials (e.g., added middle initial to Lee B. McTurnan, clerked Goldberg 1963), married names and nicknames to roughly 50 clerks. Fix links to Wiki pages (e.g., Wiki page of Helane L. Morrison), and remove search brackets to avoid disambiguation. On various clerks' Wiki pages, add photos (e.g., Elizabeth Garrett, Martha Minow, Alex Azar, Scott Bales) and add category to 9 pages "Law clerks of the U.S. Supreme Court" (e.g., Howard Shelanski, Emmet T. Flood, Paul Brest, etc.).Bjhillis (talk) 15:38, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Added missing prior clerkships to four: Ronald Carr, clerked Powell 1974, prior clerked Bazelon, D.C. Cir; Robert D. Comfort, clerked Blackmun 1977, prior clerk James Hunter, 3d Cir; Joseph Barbash, clerked Reed 1949, prior clerked Learned Hand, 2d Cir; Julian Burke, clerked Reed 1955, prior clerked E. Barrett Prettyman, D.C. Cir.Bjhillis (talk) 03:55, 21 September 2016 (UTC).

Clarified the Earl Warren "retired" clerks, 1969-72: added missing Edward L. Strohbehn, Jr., Yale 1969, clerked Warren 1969-70; John Keker, 1970-71, and moved G. Edward White, Harvard 1970 (who was incorrectly with Burger) to Warren 1971-72. Was there a 1973-74 clerk? Extend clerkship yrs of Martin F. Richman, clerked Warren 1955-57, not 1956-57, per K+L Gates bio; add prior clerkship for John M. Coleman, clerked Burger 1980, prior clerked Butzner, 4th Cir.Bjhillis (talk) 02:11, 22 September 2016 (UTC) Added missing Burger clerk: Daniel H. Foote, Harvard 1981, clerked Burger 1982-83, prior clerked Gignoux, D. Maine (this clerk originally found April 20, 2016, by another editor, added to Chief Justice page).Bjhillis (talk) 02:33, 19 October 2016 (UTC) Added two missing Burger clerks: Peter Rossiter, Yale 1973, clerked Burger 1975-76, prior clerk Alvin B. Rubin, E.D. La. (later 5th Cir.); and Christopher G. Walsh, NYU 1976, clerked Burger 1978-79, prior clerk William J. Bauer, 7th Cir.Bjhillis (talk) 02:20, 20 October 2016 (UTC) Add missing Burger clerk: John M. Harmon, Duke 1969, clerked Burger 1971, prior clerk Hugo Black, 1970-71.Bjhillis (talk) 02:34, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Added: Norman Dorsen, clerked Harlan 1957, land clerk to Chief Judge Calvert Magruder of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the First Circuit. Added 13 missing Thurgood Marshall clerks, noted above.Bjhillis (talk) 04:54, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Added 11 Missing Stanley Reed Clerks

Yr clerked / Name / Law School, Grad Yr

1941: John H. Maclay, Jr. Harvard 1940

1944: Byron Edward Kabot, Chicago 1941

1945: Emanuel G. Weiss, Harvard 1944

1947: John Brumback Spitzer, Yale 1947 (referred to Reed by Judge Charles Clark, 2d Cir, but no time for clerkship to have occurred)

1948: Mac Asbill, Jr., Harvard 1948

1948: William W. Koontz, Virginia 1947

Yarmolinsky clerked 1950, not 1949

1951: Lewis C. Green, 1950 graduate of Harvard Law School. He was Law Clerk to Judge William E. Orr, U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, 1950-51, Justice Stanley F. Reed, Supreme Court of the United States, 1951-52, and US District Judge George H. Moore, 1955-56. http://www.greatriverslaw.org/lewis_green_bio.php

1951: John D. Calhoun, Yale 1949

1952-54: Robert L. Randall, Chicago 1951 (bio says clerked 1953-55?)

1954: Joel A. Kozol, Harvard 1954

1956: Manley O. Hudson, Jr., Harvard 1956 Bjhillis (talk) 15:09, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

18 Hugo Black Missing Clerks

Black had a total of 53 clerks: 52 men, plus Margaret Corcoran. Listed below are 18 missing clerks, taken from: Hugo LaFayette Black: A Register of His Papers in the Library of Congress (complete list of law clerks).

Robert T. Basseches, Yale 1958 Clerked 1958 to 1959 U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, David L. Bazelon; Clerked 1959 to 1960 Hugo L. Black http://www.goodwinlaw.com/professionals/b/basseches-robert

Carroll Samuel ("C. Sam") Daniels, Columbia 1951, clerked 1951-52 (undergrad Univ of North Carolina), Prof of Law, Miami Univ http://www.stjohns.edu/sites/default/files/documents/law/john-q-barrett/supreme-court-law-clerks-reflections-of-october-term.pdf

Sidney M. Davis, Chicago, 1943?, clerked Judge Jerome M. Frank, 1943-44?, clerked Black 1944-45, http://www.nytimes.com/1988/05/18/obituaries/sidney-m-davis-69-aide-to-senate-panels.html

Chris J. Dixie, Univ of Texas 1936, clerked year?

Floyd Fulton Feeney=New York University School of Law (J.D., 1960). Clerked Black 1961-62 https://law.ucdavis.edu/faculty/feeney/

John Paul Frank (already listed), University of Wisconsin, 1940, Yale J.S.D. 1947, clerked 1942-1943 Black http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/10/us/j-p-frank-84-a-lawyer-in-landmark-cases-dies.html http://scholarlycommons.law.case.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1479&context=caselrev http://openscholarship.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2738&context=law_lawreview

David Haber, Yale 1944, After that he clerked, first for Judge Charles Clark on the Second Circuit and then for Justice Hugo Black on the U.S. Supreme Court, 1945-46 http://catalogs.rutgers.edu/generated/nwk-law_0406/pg5486.html

Huey Blair Howerton, Jr., Mississippi 1946, clerked 1951-52 mississippilawjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/6-Ritchie_FINAL-Rev.pdf

Clay C. Long, Harvard 1962. Clerked Black 1962-1963. http://www.mediation.com/memberprofile/clay-c-long-30308-83.aspx

Robert B. McKaw, Virginia 1970, clerked Black 1970-71 http://www.koakanehawaiianmysteries.com/about-the-author/

James Little North, Virginia 1964, clerked 1964-65 http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/dailyhome/obituary.aspx?pid=172409734

J. Vernon Patrick, Harvard 1955, clerked 1955-56 http://weldbham.com/blog/2013/06/19/before-there-were-preachers/

George Lawton Saunders, Jr., Chicago 1959 Law Clerk to the Honorable Richard T. Rives, Chief Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit (1959-1960), and as Law Clerk to Justice Hugo L. Black of the United States Supreme Court (1960-1962) http://saunders-lawfirm.com/#attorneys

Stephen J. Schulhofer, J.D. at Harvard 1967, clerked Hugo Black 1967-69, https://its.law.nyu.edu/facultyprofiles/index.cfm?fuseaction=profile.biography&personid=20270

Robert W. (“Bob”) Spearman, Yale 1970, clerked 1970-1971 http://www.parkerpoe.com/attorneys/robert-w-spearman

James Gustave Speth, Yale 1969, clerked 1969-70 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Gustave_Speth

Lawrence Wallace, Columbia 1959, clerked 1960-61 (no prior clerk) https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2002/November/02_osg_635.htm

Harold Anson Ward, III, Chicago 1955, clerked 1955-56 http://www.whww.com/attorneys/harold-ward

Stone Clerk

Allison Dunham=listed as a clerk to Harlan F. Stone, 1939-41 (later Black?), Columbia Law School in 1939. For two years he was the law clerk to Justice Harlan F. Stone of the United States Supreme Court shortly before he became Chief Justice. http://www.nytimes.com/1992/06/28/us/allison-dunham-78-a-professor-who-helped-make-laws-uniform.html Bjhillis (talk) 02:23, 29 September 2016 (UTC) Added these missing Black clerks to the main page. Also added two missing John Paul Stevens clerks.Bjhillis (talk) 03:42, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Harlan F. Stone-7 missing clerks:

Adrian Coulter Leiby, Columbia 1929, Law clerk to Justice Harlan F. Stone, 1929-1930 http://prabook.com/web/person-view.html?profileId=1067257

Francis X. Downey, Columbia 1927, clerked Justice Stone, 1927-1928 http://prabook.com/web/person-view.html?profileId=1066836

Edward L. Friedman, Jr., Columbia 1940, clerked Stone 1940-41? http://spectatorarchive.library.columbia.edu/cgi-bin/columbia?a=d&d=cs19381006-01.2.31

Thomas Everett Harris, Columbia University Law School in 1935, clerked 1935-36 http://www.nytimes.com/1996/02/11/us/thomas-harris-83-elections-official-and-labor-lawyer.html

Oliver Boutwell Merrill, Jr., Columbia 1928, clerked 1928-29 http://prabook.com/web/person-view.html?profileId=60037

James Lord Morrison, Columbia 1941, clerked Stone 1942-43 (dates uncertain) http://supremecourthistory.org/assets/pub_journal_1996_vol_1.pdf

Carl Roger Nelson, Columbia 1941, Law clerk to Chief Justice Stone, 1941-1942 http://prabook.com/web/person-view.html?profileId=60227

The above Stone clerks are added to the main page.Bjhillis (talk) 02:50, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Potter Stewart--14 Missing clerks:

Leonard H. ("Len") Becker, Yale 1968, clerked 1969 https://www.dcbar.org/bar-resources/publications/washington-lawyer/articles/june-2012-books-in-the-law.cfm

Elliot Francis Gerson, Yale 1979, clerked 1980-81, prior clerked judge?, DC Cir, 1979-79 https://www.linkedin.com/in/elliotgerson

Saul B. Goodman, Virginia 1978, Hon. Carl McGowan, U.S. Court of Appeals, District of Columbia Circuit, 1978-1979, Hon. Potter Stewart, U.S. Supreme Court, 1979 - 1980 https://www.cov.com/en/professionals/g/saul-goodman

Howard William Gutman, Harvard 1980, Law clerk to Honorary Irving Goldberg United States Court Appeals (5th Circuit), Dallas, 1980-1981. Law clerk to Justice Potter Stewart, 1981-1982. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Gutman Add category: Law clerks of the Supreme Court

Barbara R. Hauser, Penn 1976, clerked 1977-78 http://www.hastingsconlawquarterly.org/archives/V13/I2/borgersen.pdf http://www.brhauser.com/

Curtis Stephen Howard, Yale 1966 or '67?, clerked 1967-68? Tuttle & Taylor, Los Angeles, Cal, admitted Jan 1969

Robert S. Litt, Yale 1976, clerked 1977-78, prior Clerk 1976-77 for Judge Edward Weinfeld, SDNY http://www.hastingsconlawquarterly.org/archives/V13/I2/borgersen.pdf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_S._Litt Add category: Law clerks of the Supreme Court

Alan K. Palmer, Harvard 1967, clerked 1968-69, prior Hon. Stanley Barnes, U.S. Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit, 1967-1968 http://www.lawyersdb.com/attorneys/16148-alan-k-palmer

William Carey Parker 2d, Harvard 1965, clerked Potter Stewart 1965-66? http://www.nytimes.com/1964/04/26/elizabeth-a-libby-is-engaged-to-wed.html?_r=0 https://www.emkinstitute.org/resources/carey-parker-10-27-2008

Michael Ellmore Patterson, Columbia 1967, clerked 1968-69, prior clerk Carl McGowan of the U.S. of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit (1967–68). http://www.law.columbia.edu/alumni/highlights/alumni_news/2007/spring2007/winterlunch07/2007winterlunch?&call=publishmgr.delete&top.layout=print

Jay M. Spears, Stanford 1976, clerked 1977-78, prior clerked Bazelon http://www.hastingsconlawquarterly.org/archives/V13/I2/borgersen.pdf http://heinonline.org/HOL/Page?handle=hein.journals/stflr40&div=33&g_sent=1&collection=journals

Ronald A. Stern, Harvard 1974, prior Judge Harold Leventhal (U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit) from 1974 to 1975, and then for U.S. Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart from 1975 to 1976. https://www.justice.gov/atr/ronald-stern-biography

Richard Burleson Stewart, Harvard 1966, clerked 1966-67 https://www.justice.gov/enrd/richard-b-stewart

Steven Michael Umin, Yale 1964, clerked 1965-66, prior Law Clerk to Chief Justice Roger Traynor, California Supreme Court (1964-1965), http://www.nytimes.com/1981/06/24/opinion/another-stewart-please.html http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/washingtonpost/obituary.aspx?pid=156038534#sthash.tFXBXVca.dpuf

Will add the above Potter Stewart clerks to the main page shortly.Bjhillis (talk) 02:50, 1 October 2016 (UTC) Completed adding Stewart clerks to main page. Some of the clerk years uncertain, a few Terms need fine tuning.Bjhillis (talk) 14:04, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Add prior clerkship to Eugene J. Comey, clerked Powell 1976, prior clerked McGowan, DC Cir.Bjhillis (talk) 13:13, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Reviewed "shared with" clerk entries, noted "retired" for Justices, found 35 entries missing the second entry with the corresponding justice. Will add the entries shortly.

“Shared with” clerks—35 need a 2nd entry for the "missing" justice:

R. Markham Ball—missing Reed 1960-61

Timothy B. Dyk—missing Reed 1961-62

Stephen R. McAllister—missing Thomas 1991-92

Neil M. Gorsuch—missing Kennedy 1993-94

Sam Erman—missing Kennedy 2010-2011

Dina Mishra-- missing Kennedy 2011-2012

Eduardo Bruera—missing Sotomayer 2012-2013

Aaron Zelinsky—missing Kennedy 2013-2014

Thomas G. Pulham—missing Breyer 2009-2010

Brook Hopkins—missing Breyer 2010-2011

Matthew Tokson—missing Ginsburg 2011-2012

Anthony Vitarelli—missing Breyer 2012-2013

Ryan Park—missing Ginsburg 2013-2014

Ashby D. Boyle—missing O’Connor, 1990-91

John E. Barry—missing Kennedy 1991-92

Karl M. Tilleman—missing Thomas 1992-93

James E. Gauch—missing Thomas 1993-94

Eric A. Grant—missing Thomas 1994-95

Paul H. Schwartz—missing Breyer 1994-95

Michael J. Wishnie—missing Breyer 1995-96

Cecillia D. Wang—missing Breyer 1996-97

Laura A. Dickinson—missing Breyer 1997-98

Clare Huntington—missing Breyer 1998-99

Radhika Rao—missing Marshall 1992-93

Rebecca A. Womeldorf—missing Kennedy 1992-93

James J. Benjamin—missing Stevens 1994-95

Justin Driver—missing Breyer 2006-07

Heidi Bond—missing Kennedy 2007-08

Isaac J. Lidsky—missing Ginsberg 2008-09

Joshua A. Deahl—missing Kennedy 2009-10

Kristen E. Eichensehr—missing Sotomayor 2010-11

Candice Chiu—missing Sotomayor 2011-12

Eric F. Citron—missing Kagan 2012-13

Julia Malkina—missing Breyer 2013

Eli Savit—missing Ginsburg 2014

Bjhillis (talk) 18:13, 28 August 2016 (UTC) Added the "shared with" clerks above to all assigned justices on the main page.Bjhillis (talk) 18:04, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

On main page intro paragraphs, increased number of clerks listed from more than "2,100" to more than "2,200." Increase in number due to the missing clerks added over the past month. With the "shared with" clerks project completed, only need to collapse the 20 or so "double entry: clerks to single entry-two year term format. I will then turn to conforming the Seat pages to the main page.Bjhillis (talk) 01:37, 4 October 2016 (UTC) Completed collapsing 20 double entries into a single, two year clerkship term for the names listed above, at the top of this section. Add new Wiki page for Vern Countryman, clerked Douglas 1942. I've stopped looking for missing clerks, and next week will turn to the last phase: conforming the Seat pages to the main page, and adding the photos below. I'd like to bulk paste the new clerk data onto the Seat pages, but the code format is different.Bjhillis (talk) 09:56, 7 October 2016 (UTC) Per below, have completed updating each Seat page with the new detail from the Main Page.Bjhillis (talk) 18:29, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Added Missing Tom C. Clark (retired) Clerks

  • Jerry W. Snider, Univ of Houston 1969, clerked Tom Clark 1969-70 (shared with Warren Burger)
  • William M. Hannay, Georgetown 1973; Honorable Tom C. Clark, U.S. Supreme Court (1974-1975); Honorable Myron H. Bright, U.S. Court of Appeals, Eighth Circuit (1973-1974)

Add Missing Thurgood Marshall Clerk:

Bjhillis (talk) 05:02, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Add several missing clerks, and "shared with" details:

David M. Becker, Columbia University (1973). He then clerked for Judge Harold Leventhal of the D.C. Circuit and Justice Stanley Reed (retired) of the U.S. Supreme Court, 1974-1975 https://www.nycourts.gov/ip/jipl/pdf/JIPL-Spring2003.pdf https://www.sec.gov/news/press/2009/2009-20.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_M._Becker

Robert L. Deitz. Professor Deitz began his career as a law clerk to the Honorable Justices Douglas, Stewart, and White of the United States Supreme Court. http://schar.gmu.edu/faculty-staff/faculty/robert-l-deitz/

Christopher R. Lipsett, Penn 1974, clerked Stanley Reed, 1975-76 http://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1104&context=plj

Carl E. Schneider, Michigan, 1979. Clerked Judge Carl McGowan of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit and to Justice Potter Stewart of the United States Supreme Court, 1980-81

Jerry Lawrence Siegel, Yale, 1972. Law Clerk: Honorary Charles B. Renfrew, United States. District Court, Northern District of California, 1972-1973. Potter Stewart, United States. Supreme Court, 1973-1974. http://securities.stanford.edu/filings-documents/1042/OPCAX_01/2009529_f02d_0900567.pdf

Richard J. Urowsky, Yale Law school, 1970. Law clerk for Justice Stanley Reed of the US Supreme Court. During his tenure at the Court, Richard also spent time working in the chambers of Chief Justice Warren Burger and Justices Potter Stewart and Byron White. Listed under White 1972-73: add "shared with" Reed, Burger, Stewart. Bjhillis (talk) 01:12, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Add missing William O. Douglas clerk: Donald R. Colvin, Washington 1945, clerked Douglas 1945-46 (found in Library of Congress list); add Finding Aid to the Papers of William O. Douglas, Library of Congress, Manuscript Division (2014, rev. Dec. 2014), p. 138, list of law clerks, to "Additional Sources".Bjhillis (talk) 19:41, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Add missing "shared with" clerk: George C. Cochran, Univ of North Carolina 1964, clerked 1964-65, for Earl Warren and Stanley Reed (retired); Note Earl C. Dudley, Jr., clerked 1968-69, "shared with" Earl Warren and Stanley Reed (retired), per Virginia Law Review (2008); Correct middle initial for Jennifer K. Hardy (Not "L."), clerked Thomas 2004-2005, per law firm bio; Change grad yr for Thomas J. Klitgaard to Berkeley 1961, not 1962, per his law firm bio. Bjhillis (talk) 18:05, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Update the seven clerks of Van Devanter from Barry Cushman's The Clerks of the Four Horsemen, Part I, 39 J. Sup. Ct. Hist. 386 (2014): Richard E. Repath; Frederick H. Barclay; Mahlon D. Kiefer; George Howland Chase III; James W. Yokum; J. Arthur Mattson; and John T. McHale.Bjhillis (talk) 20:46, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Add missing "shared with" clerk: Stuart F. Delery, Yale 1993, clerked Sandra Day O'Connor and Byron White (retired), 1994-95, prior clerked Gerald Tjoflat, 11th Cir.; add missing "shared with" clerk: John Flynn, Georgetown 1995, clerked JP Stevens and Byron White (retired), 1996-97, prior clerked Becker, 3d Cir.; and add missing Byron White clerk: Ellen P. Aprill, Georgetown 1980, clerked White 1981-82, prior clerked Butzner, 4th Cir.Bjhillis (talk) 23:43, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Add law school and grad yr to William R. Harr, Georgetown 1895, clerked JM Harlan, 1896-1898, 1898-1902.Bjhillis (talk) 02:45, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Add "shared with" detail to Christopher R. Lipsett, clerked 1975-76 for Stanley Reed (retired), Blackmun, Brennan, Marshall and Stewart), and add prior clerkship Irving Goldberg, 5th Cir., from Princeton Alumni Bulletin, class of 1971. Bjhillis (talk) 15:00, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Add missing Breyer clerk: Caitlin Halligan, Georgetown 1995, clerked Breyer 1997-98, prior clerk P. Wald, DC Cir, and link to her Wiki page.

Add new 2017 clerks for Justices Thomas, Sotomayor, and Breyer. Bjhillis (talk) 21:29, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Add prior clerkship for David Allan Gates III, clerked Blackmun 1974-75, prior clerked Chief Judge Pat Mehaffy, U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit, 1972-1974. Add prior clerkship for Daniel P. Levitt, clerked Fortas 1964-65, prior clerked Edward Weinfeld, S.D.N.Y. Bjhillis (talk) 00:40, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Add missing Frankfurter clerk: David P. Currie, Harvard 1960, clerked Frankfurter 1961-62, prior clerk Friendly 2d Cir. and link to his Wiki page. Bjhillis (talk) 15:53, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Add prior clerkship to Robert T. Lasky, Penn 1967, clerked Warren 1968-69, prior clerked Samuel J. Roberts, Pennsylvania Supreme Court, 1967-68, per transcript of interview at Berkeley Libraries. Bjhillis (talk) 06:34, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Added three more 2017 Term clerks for Anthony Kennedy to the main page and Seat 4 page: Geoffrey C. Shaw, Matthew Gregory, and Krista Perry. Only Souter's 2017 clerk is missing. Have not added the two 2018 clerks announced.Bjhillis (talk) 18:26, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Add missing Whittaker clerk: James Malone Edwards, Yale 1960, clerked Whittaker 1960-61 (retired).Bjhillis (talk) 03:53, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Good news--someone set up a Wiki page for former Deputy Solicitor General Paul Bender, former law clerk to Learned Hand and Felix Frankfurter.Bjhillis (talk) 04:20, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Someone added Allen M. Katz (Stanford 1972), clerked Thurgood Marshall 1973-1974. Goes to show the list is still missing names. Added four new Gorsuch clerks: Michael R. Davis (Iowa 2004); Jamil N. Jaffer (Chicago 2003); Jane E. Kucera (Nitze) (former Sotomayor clerk); and Matthew S. Owen (former Scalia clerk). The three new names--Katz, Davis, Jaffer--brings the number of clerks listed to 2,251.Bjhillis (talk) 22:12, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Adding pictures? In memoriam links?[edit]

Any interest in having links to obits for recently deceased law clerks, a sort of "in memoriam" section? e.g.:

Would be a burden to maintain, but nobody else is doing it. Might be newsworthy.

Also, any interest in adding a photo or two to the Main or Seat pages?

Suggested pics for each seat:

Pic posted Main Page: Judge Merrick Garland, U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit (2016). Garland is nominated to the U.S. Supreme Court by President Barack Obama. A graduate of Harvard Law School, Garland clerked for Justice William Brennan in the 1978 Term.

I envisioned the pics rotating over a period of time, perhaps most frequently on the front page. Next month I was planning on swapping out Judge Garland's pic on the front page and replacing it with Judge Diane Wood, clerked Blackmun 1976-77, Chief Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit. No fixed time schedule, and open to other suggestions.Bjhillis (talk) 03:34, 8 December 2016 (UTC) Planning on placing the Diane Wood pic on the front page in a couple weeks, subject to a better idea.Bjhillis (talk) 00:43, 2 January 2017 (UTC) Edited the phrasing of the Garland pic caption to reflect status of nomination, given new Senate session.Bjhillis (talk) 03:53, 4 January 2017 (UTC) Will swap out the Garland pic on the main page with Diane Wood this weekend.Bjhillis (talk) 02:12, 12 January 2017 (UTC) Changed the pic on the main page from Merrick Garland to Diane Wood. In a few months, will rotate the pic again.Bjhillis (talk) 11:59, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps the two best clerk pics are Dan Walker greeting citizens at a parade, and Joseph Rauh in the March on Washington:

ILLINOIS GOVERNOR DAN WALKER GREETS CHICAGO CONSTITUENTS DURING THE BUD BILLIKEN DAY PARADE, ONE OF THE LARGEST... - NARA - 556272
March on Washington August 28, 1963, showing Joseph L. Rauh Jr. (center), with Martin Luther King, Jr. (left), Whitney Young, Roy Wilkins, A. Philip Randolph, Walter Reuther, and Sam Weinblatt.

Pic posted Seat 1: Paul Brest and Molly Van Houweling. A graduate of Harvard Law School, she clerked for Justice David Souter in the 2000 Term. Brest also graduated from Harvard, and clerked for Justice John Marshall Harlan in the 1968 Term.

Pic posted Seat 2: White House Deputy Assistant to the President for Economic Policy Danielle Gray speaks during the White House Rural Council chaired by Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack in Washington, D.C. on October 5, 2012. A graduate of Harvard Law School, Gray clerked for Justice Stephen Breyer in the 2005 Term.

Pic posted Seat 3: Justice Leondra Kruger of the California Supreme Court (Photo: Lonnie Tague, US Department of Justice, 2014). A graduate of Yale Law School, she clerked for Justice John Paul Stevens from 2003 until 2004.

Pic posted Seat 4: Professor Christopher S. Yoo, University of Pennsylvania Law School (2004). A graduate of Northwestern University School of Law, he clerked for Justice Anthony Kennedy in the 1997 Term.

Pic posted Seat 6: Judge Paul J. Watford, U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit (2012). A graduate of the UCLA Law School, he clerked for Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg from 1995 to 1996.

Pic posted Seat 8: Crystal Nix-Hines, United States Ambassador to UNESCO (2014). A graduate of Harvard Law School, she clerked for Justice Sandra Day O'Connor from 1991 to 1992.

Pic posted Seat 9: William Rehnquist, 16th Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. A graduate of Stanford Law School, he clerked for Justice Robert Jackson in the 1952 Term.

Pic posted Seat 10: Professor John Yoo, University of California, Berkeley, Boalt Hall (2012). A graduate of Yale Law School, he clerked for Justice Clarence Thomas in the 1994 Term.

Pic posted Chief Justice: Deputy Attorney General Byron White (later Supreme Court justice) with Robert Kennedy in 1961. A graduate of Yale Law School, White clerked for Chief Justice Fred Vinson in the 1946 Term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.157.199 (talk) 19:16, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Some great pics are outside of Wiki:

  • Comment: I don't think we should put pictures along the side of the table; I think it will make for awkward formatting on most computers. However, I do like the idea of including pictures somewhere. Perhaps we can include a gallery section after the list? Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 20:39, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Taking this comment into account, placed Garland's pic on the main page above table, not along the side. Will add a pic to each seat page as I conform them to the main page over next few weeks.Bjhillis (talk) 10:25, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Updating the "Seat" pages. Updated the "Chief Justice" and "Seat 1" pages with the new clerk detail from Main Page (I am bulk copy-pasting to save time), added pics at the top. Also edited the "Supreme Court Template" at bottom of page to add a link to the Main Page list of law clerks, titled, "All."Bjhillis (talk) 17:39, 14 October 2016 (UTC) Updated pages for Seats 6, 8, 9, and 10.Bjhillis (talk) 18:09, 17 October 2016 (UTC) Updated page for Seats 3 and 4.Bjhillis (talk) 01:09, 19 October 2016 (UTC) Updated page for Seat 2. This completes conforming each of the Seat pages to the new detail in the Main Page.Bjhillis (talk) 18:25, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

The Diane Wood pic has been up on the main page for a couple of months. Any suggestions on whose pic to post next? Historical? Elliot Richardson? One of the two pics above?Bjhillis (talk) 11:48, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Possible pics for main page, perhaps quickly cycle through four HLS grads:

Diane Wood, Chief Judge of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit. A graduate of the University of Texas Law School, she clerked for Justice Harry Blackmun of the U.S. Supreme Court from 1976 to 1977.
William Coleman clerked for Justice Felix Frankfurter in 1948-1949, at the same time as Elliot Richardson, later U.S. Attorney General. A graduate of Harvard Law School, Coleman served as United States Secretary of Transportation in 1975-1976.
A graduate of Harvard Law School, Viet Dinh clerked for Justice Sandra Day O'Connor in the 1994 Term. He served as United States Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Policy in 2001-2003.
A graduate of Harvard Law School, Ketanji Brown Jackson clerked for Justice Stephen Breyer in the 1999 Term. She is a federal judge on the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia.

(talk) 01:21, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

On main page, propose replacing the Diane Wood pic with William Coleman next week.Bjhillis (talk) 13:33, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Replaced Diane Wood pic with William Coleman. Will cycle through the other HLS grads quickly.Bjhillis (talk) 20:23, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Plan to swap out the William Coleman pic with Elliott Richardson in the next few days. Will keep cycling through these pics in quick order.Bjhillis (talk) 01:51, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Replaced Coleman pic on main page with Richardson.Bjhillis (talk) 14:55, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Some final observations on numbers of clerks and a count of law schools[edit]

Having completed a three-month update of the law clerks Main Page and Seat pages, a few final numbers for total clerk count, 1882-2017: there are 2,392 entries in the list; of these, 115 are multiple entries for 55 clerks (e.g., a clerk served two justices in two successive terms); and 156 entries for 72 clerks are "shared with" clerks; so the true number of unique clerk names is 2,248 from 83 law schools. We are still missing 40 or so clerks, which would raise the total number to 2,290, which is the true number of clerks based on the most comprehensive law review counts.

This list is the fifth-largest on Wikipedia and is of interest (beyond the subject matter of law clerks) on the topics of: 1) shows that lists can be noteworthy; and 2) illustrates the issue of citations and reliability in large lists.

Of the 2,248 clerks on this list, 469 (21%) have Wiki pages, and are in a sense "verified." The remaining 79% do not have citation. Reliability of the list data rest on each name having sufficient importance that it is "checkable" on public databases (e.g., District of Columbia Bar database), and has been checked by Wiki editors across sources, "Wash Post/NY Times", "Martindale-Hubble", "Praebook," or "Harvard Law School Alumni Magazine"; on the standing of the Wiki editor community monitoring the list and continuously improving its accuracy; and, further, on the list having sufficient traffic that the page visitors will correct errors. Due to these factors, this list is reliable. The issue of how to handle citations is tied to the decision not to allow inline links to outside sites, such as law firm or law school bios, discussed at length above.

In editing, I added middle initials, middle names and married names to roughly 700 clerks. Recording all names of a clerk helps verify law school graduation and prior clerkships, and helps reveal family ties to prior generations of clerks. But the markup highlights the inadequacy of the standard format of recording "married names", e.g., recording "Jessica Bulman(-Pozen)" as the married name of "Jessica Bulman." Several issues: why only record women's married names? should we try to distinguish between those who use or omit a spouse's name? how to record successive spouses? what if a person prefers to use only a married name and not the maiden name? etc.

I previously posted tables that included duplicate counts of "shared with" clerks. The data below is updated to remove double counts.Bjhillis (talk) 17:37, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Three tables are presented below: (1) Law school distribution of clerks, 1882-2017 (five or more clerks, ranked by number of clerks); (2) All clerks, 1882-2017; and (3) Recent clerks last 12 years, 2005-2017.

Table 1. Law school distribution of clerks, 1882-2017 (five or more clerks, ranked by number of clerks):

Rank/ Law School/ # clerks / %

1) Harvard 607 27%

2) Yale 396 18%

3) Chicago 156 7%

4) Stanford 137 6%

5) Columbia 135 6%

6) Virginia 110 5%

7) Michigan 87 4%

8) Georgetown 61 3%

9) Berkeley 59 3%

10) NYU 54 2%

11) Penn 48

12) Northwestern 42

13) Texas 35

14) GW 26

15) Duke 21

16) UCLA 19

17) Notre Dame-17

18) BYU 13

19) Indiana 11

20) Minnesota-11

21) Georgia 10

22) Cornell 9

23) Boston College 8

24) USC 8

25) Arizona 7

26) NC 7

27) Univ Washington 7

28) Kansas 6

29) Vanderbilt 6

30) Illinois 5

31) National 5

32) Wash U 5

33) Washington&Lee 5

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Total from 33 schools above=2,133 (95%)

OTHER LAW SCHOOLS=85 (4%); No law school/unknown=30 (1%)

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Total clerks 2,248

Table 2. Law school distribution of clerks, 1882-2017 (all clerks, alpha sorted by name)

Rank/ Law School/ # clerks

1 Alabama 2

2 Albany 1

3 American 1

4 Arizona State 2

5 Arizona 7

6 Berkeley 59

7 Boston College 8

8 Brooklyn 1

9 Buffalo 2

10 BYU 13

11 Cardozo 1

12 Case Western 2

13 Catholic 4

14 Chicago 156

15 Colorado 2

16 Columbia 135

17 Cornell 9

18 Creighton 1

19 Denver 1

20 Detroit 2

21 Duke 21

22 Emory 1

23 Fordham 3

24 George Mason 1

25 Georgetown 61

26 Georgia 10

27 GW 26

28 Harvard 607

29 Hawaii 1

30 Houston 2

31 Howard 1

32 Illinois 5

33 Indiana 11

34 Iowa 4

35 Kansas 6

36 Kentucky 1

37 Louisville 1

38 Loyola (LA) 2

39 LSU 1

40 Maine 1

41 Maryland 1

42 McGeorge 1

43 Miami 2

44 Michigan 87

45 Minnesota 11

46 Mississippi 4

47 Missouri 2

48 National 5

49 Nebraska 1

50 New Mexico 1

51 NC 7

52 Northwestern 42

53 Notre Dame 17

54 NYU 54

55 Ohio St 4

56 Penn State 1

57 Penn 48

58 Pepperdine 3

59 Rutgers 2

60 Santa Clara 1

61 Seattle 1

62 Seton Hall 1

63 SMU 3

64 St. Mary's 1

65 Stanford 137

66 SUNY Buffalo 1

67 Temple 2

68 Texas AM 1

69 Texas 35

70 Tulane 2

71 UCLA 19

72 USC 8

73 Utah 4

74 Vanderbilt 6

75 Villanova 1

76 Virginia 110

77 Wash U 5

78 Washburn 1

79 Washington&Lee 5

80 Univ Washington 7

81 William & Mary 1

82 Wisconsin 2

83 Yale 396

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Total clerks from 83 schools above 2,218

Unknown/no law school 30

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Total clerks 2,248

Table 3. Recent Clerks, 2005-2017

I posted this table at the Univ of Georgia Law School talk page, showing clerk distribution in the last 12 years:

Rank / Law School / # clerks 2005-2017

1 Harvard 124

2 Yale 120

3 Stanford 39

4 Virginia 32 (Public university)

5 Columbia 24

6 Chicago 24

7 NYU 17

8 Georgetown 14

9 Michigan 14 (Public university)

10 Northwestern 10

11 Berkeley 9 (Public university)

12 Duke 9

13 Penn 7

14 GW 7

15 Georgia 6 (Public university)

16 BYU 4

17 Texas 4 (Public university)

18 Utah 4 (Public university)

19 University of Notre Dame 4

20 Cornell 2

21 Minnesota 2 (Public university)

22 Pepperdine 2

23 Vanderbilt 2

24 Brooklyn 1

25 Cardozo 1

26 Creighton 1

27 George Mason 1

28 Hawaii 1 (Public university)

29 Kansas 1 (Public university)

30 LSU 1 (Public university)

31 Ohio St 1 (Public university)

32 Rutgers 1 (Public university)

33 Seton Hall 1

34 UCLA 1 (Public university)

35 Wisconsin 1 (Public university)

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Total clerks: 489

Link to other page requested[edit]


I am listed as a clerk to David Souter from 1994-1995. You can link my name to the biography page for me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Greenfield_(law_professor)

Thank you, Kent Greenfield

136.167.173.140 (talk) 21:21, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

 Done Altamel (talk) 22:17, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Removal of Benjamin Beaton[edit]

@Evaus: On 14:38, 18 April 2017‎ I saw you removed as unsourced Benjamin J. Beaton, clerked Ruth Bader Ginsburg, 2011-2012, Columbia Law School, 2009; prior clerk Arthur Raymond Randolph, United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. What about his law firm bio as a source? http://www.sidley.com/people/benjamin-j-beaton Also American Inns of Court byline states: "He served as a judicial clerk for Associate Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg of the Supreme Court of the United States." https://inns.innsofcourt.org/for-members/member-programs/temple-bar-scholarships/temple-bar-scholar-reports/benjamin-j-beaton.aspx Please consider reverting and reinserting Beaton, based on these sources.Bjhillis (talk) 15:19, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

@Evaus: Haven't heard back so I am reinstating Benjamin Beaton. Here are more links in support of his clerkship:

splitting up this page[edit]

I propose keeping this page but sub-dividing the clerks by Court, such as the Rehnquist court or Roberts Court? This had wide support in the AfD --JumpLike23 (talk) 05:27, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

  • This has been discussed at some length on this talk page. Some editors (myself included) think there is utility to keeping all the information on a single page. I am pinging Bjhillis, who has done terrific work maintaining this page, to see what they think about this. Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 07:37, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Agree there is benefit from one large list. We have seat pages, and I see the reason for Court pages, if you want to create those sub-pages. If you feel the page takes too long to load we can remove the pic, that's a new feature.Bjhillis