Talk:List of live action role-playing groups

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Inclusion criteria[edit]

Only groups that meet the notability criteria for groups may be listed in the List of live action role-playing groups. Only add groups that have been covered in significant detail in independent reliable sources such as newspapers, books, or academic journals. The group's own publications such as its website are not considered independent. Please do not add a group unless it meets this criteria. If the group does meet this criteria, then it is also allowed to have a Wikipedia article of its own. If the group you are adding does not have an article of its own yet, please give references that provide evidence of notability after the entry on the list. Groups that do not either link to their own article or provide evidence of notability will be removed immediately. Ryan Paddy (talk) 21:09, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Anstarra, Mythical Journeys, and Quest[edit]

Is there any evidence that Anstarra, Mythical Journeys, or Quest are notable US larp groups? The source given for Quest appears to be a campus newspaper, and they are not usually considered to be reliable sources. Ryan Paddy (talk) 21:03, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

They were added because they have all appeared in campus and/or local papers. Quest was the only one I could find a copy of online. I didn't see a reference to campus newspapers in the WP notes on reliable sources. I am confident that all the articles were news (as opposed to opinion pieces).—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreslough (talkcontribs) 21:55, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
WP:RS says Material from mainstream news organizations is welcomed, particularly the high-quality end of the market, such as The Washington Post, The Times in Britain, and The Associated Press. Campus newspapers are not "mainstream news organizations", they don't have the same reputation for editorial oversight, fact-checking, and expert journalism. Ryan Paddy (talk) 22:33, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
While a student newspaper isn't the gold standard of RS, but I think it's a pretty good starting point. We're just establishing that 1. they exist, and 2. they got some non-trivial coverage. I don't think anyone is going to doubt those two claims. (I do note that the article doesn't confirm the 1984 start date, so I'm going to pull it.) Oh, and Dreslough? If you can find articles in local papers or campus newspaper, you can cite those, even if they aren't online! A traditional citation would be nice, but what's key is that you provide enough information for another editor to realistically track it down. A key minimum would be the paper's name, the author's name, the date of publication, the page number, and the article's title). — Alan De Smet | Talk 23:27, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
For the purposes of notability, there has to be significant coverage in an independant RS. If the source is not an RS, then its contents do not provide evidence of notability. I'm certain that student newspapers are not considered reliable sources, on any subject except perhaps themselves, but if you like we can ask for a second opinion at WP:RSN on whether this source would be considered an RS on this subject. Ryan Paddy (talk) 02:44, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Small local papers are also often not considered reliable sources. However, some larger and more reputable local papers may be considered RS, and as Alan says sources don't have to be available online in order to be referenced. Ryan Paddy (talk) 02:47, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Mythical Journeys was cited in a Daily News (NY) article by Susan Chalfin, Travel section, Sunday August 28, 2005, as well as Quest (also relevant to the discussion at hand), Otherworld, Knight Realms, Nocturne, and Nero. I can't find any online archives of the Daily News. Mythical Journeys was also reviewed in Metagame Magazine, but again no online archives and I don't have a date (sometime between 1997-1999, the period when the magazine was active). --Jonathan Dale —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:30, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
Do you have access to these articles? Can you say what the depth of overage was in each case - just a passing mention of each group, or some details about a specific group, or an entire article about the group? Can you provide quotes to illustrate the coverage? Also, what "Daily News" are you talking about? "The New York Daily News"? Something else? Cheers, Ryan Paddy (talk) 01:36, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

So say something like "The Great Pretenders article which talks about a few larps but discusses the origins of Xanodria, published in the washington Post would be notable enough for Xanodria? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:00, 3 February 2011 (UTC)