Talk:List of artificial objects on the Moon
|WikiProject Moon||(Rated List-class, High-importance)|
|WikiProject Spaceflight||(Rated List-class, High-importance)|
- 1 Personal objects
- 2 Google Moon
- 3 Orbital decay
- 4 Etc.
- 5 Title should change
- 6 Any on the dark side?
- 7 Grid?
- 8 Wrecks
- 9 smart 1
- 10 Mass of Removed Artificial Objects
- 11 Fair use rationale for Image:Smart28261.jpg
- 12 Hinten Orbiter final location
- 13 Image copyright problem with Image:Lk102.jpg
- 14 MIP terminated after moon impact
- 15 Apollo 10 LM descent stage - Returned to Earth?
- 16 Apollo 17 Rover Location
- 17 "Not in the list, but..."
- 18 Coordinates of Ranger 4
- 19 Artificial vs. man-made
- 20 Lede rewrite
- 21 Move discussion in progress
- 22 Gagarin
- 23 Requested move
- 24 re-use and other data
- 25 External links modified
At a glance, I do not see the golf balls represented. They ought to be. -Cory
- I agree, the personal objects taken up and left are just as much artificial objects and in a way just as interesting - for instance Charlie Duke's photograph of his family left on the ground. I think they should be added to the list - perhaps a separate section of the table? Do people agree? CharlesC 12:48, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah I think it should be added, including the flags left, there is a limited and destinguishable amount of objects on the moon and i think they should be included.
- I recently found this page about a sculpture left on the moon. Shouldn't it be on this page aswell?--Found5dollar (talk) 01:45, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
I added two links to google's moon maps - Luna 13 and Apollo 11
Does anyone think this is a good/bad idea? Que 16:55, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
It is mentioned tat various object fell to the moon after orbital decay. There is no air there so what causes the decay?
- The gravitational field of the Moon is not uniform. You have the Sun and the Earth causing orbits to change. There are also mass concentrations below the surface of the Moon which mean that orbits will eventually be changed so much that they pass "through" the surface. Evil Monkey∴Hello 21:53, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
What about the US flag (are there other flags?) and the landing site plaque? Also wasn't other equipment such as lunar rovers left behind after Apollo missions? - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 18:36, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
- The plaques were integrated in to the ladder leg of the LEM descent stage, and the rovers were all parked very close by in order to ease the unloading of material and equipment. As for the flags, I'm not sure. I've heard that it was planted at a considerable distance from the LM after 11's was knocked over by the blast of the ascent engine, but that might be apocryphal.
Title should change
I think the title of this page should change to Terrestrial objects on the Moon, or Human made objects on the moon. I know it is pretty unlikely there are any other type of objects up there, but it is pretty arrogant to assume we are the only ones make artificial objects... Any one against it?
- I am. The current article title is precise and non-confusing. If we ever find on the Moon an artificial object made by Martians, we'll calmly add it to this list. Tempshill 00:13, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Any on the dark side?
Are any of the objects in this list sitting on the dark side of the Moon? If so it would be nice to tag them as such. Tempshill 00:13, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yes anything on the grid past 90 degrees on either side (in the table past 90 degrees East or West - I guess that means Ranger 4, Lunar Orbiter 1, Lunar Orbiter 2 and Lunar Orbiter 3 -- Astrokey44|talk 14:00, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Just to nit-pick a little, there is no dark side of the moon, but a far side; Every point of the moon sees sunlight at one point or another of it's month-long 'day'.Chris CII 13:18, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Is this just because I've been drinking too much beer tonight, but is the grid plotting the objects downright nonsensical? It gives no indication what the axises (sp?) are supposed to be. If they are latitude/longitude coordinates, then the grid is plotted on a weird scale (what is at 100 degrees latitude?) --Bletch 00:50, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- ive cropped it at 90 degrees, is that better? --Astrokey44 02:04, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- Yup; it was the "100" on the vertical axis that got me. --Bletch 00:12, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Actually that image cropping may have been premature. Yes, it is true that less than one hemisphere is visible during a single full moon. However, over time, more than half of the Lunar surface is visible from earth due to variations in both Earth and Lunar orbits known as librations. Approximately 188 degrees of Longitude and 186 degrees of latitude are visible from Earth. There is a telescope video on the web that demonstrates this very well. However I have not been able to re-find it.Ccordes 03:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I would like that the readers, at a glance, could distinguish between intact objects and wrecks. I have three suggestions:
- Divide the table into a table with the intacts and a table with wrecks.
- A sixth column with condition (intact/wreck).
- A prefix like 'crashed at 29.1°N 0°W in the Location column.
Necessary Evil 02:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Why is the launched date of the smart 1 in 2006?
Mass of Removed Artificial Objects
How much (in mass) was removed from Surveyor 3 by Apollo 12? 184.108.40.206 10:29, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
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Hinten Orbiter final location
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MIP terminated after moon impact
Apollo 10 LM descent stage - Returned to Earth?
The Apollo 10 LM descent stage is expected to have crashed onto the lunar surface, but the exact location is unknown.
and the footnote at List_of_artificial_objects_on_the_Moon#cite_note-note1-0 says
Spacecraft was in lunar orbit but is assumed to have decayed from orbit and crashed into the moon, location unknown.
Apollo 17 Rover Location
In the grid, the location of the Apollo 17 lunar rover is given as 20.17°N 30.77°W. All the other Apollo 17 artifacts are in the Eastern Hemisphere. Is this in error? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 23:49, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
"Not in the list, but..."
As of this comment, the very first paragraph in the article reads
The following table is a partial list of artificial objects on the surface of the Moon. The list does not include smaller objects such as the retroreflectors and Apollo Lunar Surface Experiment Package. Nor does it include several commemorative or personal objects left there by Apollo astronauts, such as the golf balls from Alan Shepard's lunar driving practice during Apollo 14, flags, or the Fallen Astronaut statuette left by the crew of Apollo 15.
Which is really just a more verbose way of saying "This is an article that talks about things except about the things we're talking about in this paragraph of the article."
I would suggest adding the things in the paragraph to the list, and changing the paragraph to read something like:
The following table is a partial list of artificial objects on the surface of the Moon. The list is particularly incomplete when it comes to smaller objects such as retroreflectors or commemorative/personal objects such as flags and golf balls.
- A NASA pin and a family photo of one of the astronauts (in a zip bag), mentioned by the Apollo astronauts in a recent documentary. --18.104.22.168 (talk) 17:45, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
Coordinates of Ranger 4
Please see my question at the Science RefDesk. For some reason the coordinates of the crash given in the article Ranger 4 are different from the coordinates in the instant article. --Mathew5000 (talk) 15:50, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Artificial vs. man-made
- I've updated this to "human-made" due to Manual of Style#Gender-neutral language: "Use gender-neutral language where this can be done with clarity and precision". Thanks all for your work on the article! All the best, Fifth Fish Finger (talk) 23:48, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
- "human-made" is unwieldy and not a common search term; "artificial" would be better, IMHO. See also List of artificial objects on extra-terrestrial surfaces. — MrDolomite • Talk 15:57, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
The lede does not meet Wikipedia guidelines for a lede section. Moreover, the first paragraph, arguably the most important paragraph in the article, spends most of its text telling the reader what is NOT going to be covered in the article. Seems odd. N2e (talk) 05:28, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Move discussion in progress
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re-use and other data
Does anybody talk about re-using these objects? If not, why not. Do we want to expand the info on this article, or as it is a List maybe it should have a companion page about what people want to know about these things- why they are there, how they are there. What is the significance, are there problems, are there official records of all the objects, as there are objects in space, do the items have a catalogue number. Who owns them? Perhaps I am being very naïve, but it looks like if one had a good rover, one ought to be able to land in the right place and put together wonderful things from the surrounding hundreds of kilos of old hardware!
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