Talk:List of metro systems

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Proposal to Include Newark City Subway in Newark, NJ, USA[edit]

As mentioned on another Wiki page for the Newark Light Rail:

"The Newark City Subway service is the longer and older of the two segments.[7] The line is a "subway-surface" light rail line which runs underground downtown and above-ground in outlying areas. Before becoming a part of the Newark Light Rail service, it was also known as the #7-City Subway line, an NJT Bus Operations route number that still applies internally (during system closures, buses would also bear the number "7 City Subway")."

Since this subway was created in 1935, it has historical significance. Also, it allows commuters to reach Penn Station in Newark, which is the largest station in New Jersey and provides rail and bus service to Manhattan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:13, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

That system is very much an example of a subway-surface light rail. Yes, the portion downtown is in tunnels, but the other end is at grade, and has multiple grade crossings. Plus it's in no way sufficiently high-capacity, as it uses light rail rolling stock in single car trains. Newark Light Rail is on the light rail list where isn't belongs. (Disclosure, I've ridden this system extensively.) oknazevad (talk) 20:02, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Metro Vienna[edit]

The opening of the Vienna metro system is indicated in this list in 1976. This is true for the "U-Bahn". But in fact, the "Stadtbahn" already had metro standards long before. Several lines of the "Stadtbahn" was opened in 1898 as a steam line. After WW1 taken over by the City of Vienna, electrified and operated by metro standards from 1925 (exclusive right of way, no shared tracks with other trains; although some hybrid metro-tramway-traffic until 1945). From 1976 to 1989, the Stadtbahn-System was integrated into the U-Bahn. See the Wikipedia-Article for Sources: Wiener Stadtbahn. Therefore I would ask for changing the opening year of the Vienna Metro System to 1925 --Daniel-tbs (talk) 08:11, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

A potential problem here is that the operator did not consider the system a "metro." It used tramway-type cars - so that if ever the Austrian federal railway system decided to take back the "Stadtbahn" system (which the municipal system operated under lease for the first several years of operation post-WWI), the cars could be used on the "surface" lines. Also, statistics (route length, passengers) were included with "tramway" statistics. "Metro standards" are generally understood to include "high" (car-floor-level) platforms, and this the Stadtbahn did not have until integration into the U-Ban system. One part of the former stadtbahn system continues to use overhead current collection and low-floor cars. So 1925 as the opening year of the U-Bahn would be going out on a limb. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:23, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Ridership statistics[edit]

"There is a major discrepancy between the ridership figures: some metro systems count transferring between lines as multiple journeys, but others do not."

This is an Americanism - the sort of thing that Wikipedia editors might do well to avoid.

"Most" metro systems outside the U.S. count "passenger journeys" (also known as "originating passengers," "fare passengers," "revenue passengers," "paid passengers" and so forth). This was once the practice in the U.S. as well - but not since the 1970s. This system makes sense - "most" passenger rail systems outside the U.S. do this as well. There are probably exceptions outside the U.S., but not many.

The U.S. Federal Transit Administration (FTA) requires that all U.S. transit systems count "boardings." In other words, a person gets counted each time s/he boards a vehicle. This makes good sense given the practical problem of accounting for pass use - in the American context.

Transit systems outside of the U.S. do issue passes, and do share the problem of accounting for use of passes. But many, if not most, large European operators conduct comprehensive annual (or biennial) passenger surveys that American systems do not. It is easier - and cheaper - to count "boardings" than it is to conduct European-style passenger surveys to determine (among other things) the "annual average" number of passenger journeys per weekly pass, monthly pass and so forth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:00, 10 May 2016 (UTC)


Why Docklands is listed? Technically it's rapid tram system, just like Moscow Metro Line 13. It's not listed for that reason. While Overground is a pure metro system. Just like Yamanote Line or Moscow Metro Line 14. They all should be listed. Elk Salmon (talk) 16:26, 19 May 2016 (UTC)


There is a metro line in Seville, Spain... Grijalvo (talk) 18:01, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Palma Metro[edit]

Should this be included? One of the lines shares tracks with commuter rail services. Valenciano (talk) 14:54, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

No, as per previous discussions – 1.2 million annual passengers isn't even close to qualifying as a "metro"-level system, and the M1 line's trains are tiny. AFAICT, Palma's system is basically a glorified people mover (even more than Rennes' is...). --IJBall (contribstalk) 07:56, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Tel Aviv[edit]

There is a metro being built in Tel Aviv. See Tel Aviv Light Rail should be added to the list of projects under construction — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:33, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

The system is light rail, not a metro. Valenciano (talk) 16:53, 25 July 2016 (UTC)