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Edited comments[edit]

There are rare instances when editing a talk page is a necessity; this is one of them. I have replaced all links to "List of World War II theaters and campaigns" with a link to the page it moved to: List of theaters and campaigns of World War II, to eliminate double-redirects. Thanks.Chidom talk  18:20, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

POV[edit]

I removed the following because it is an unsourced POV:

However, use of the terms in naming such events is not consistent. For example, the Battle of the Atlantic was more or less an entire theatre of war, and the so-called battle lasted for the duration of the entire war. Another misnomer is the Battle of Britain, which by all rights should be considered a campaign, not a mere battle.

It should only be reinstated if there is a source to justify it. The RAF define the Battle of Britain as a Battle honour[1] and the Royal Navy call it the Battle of the Atlantic[2]. As a general rule it is the Americans who defined geographic theatres in World War II (see Theater (warfare)) --Philip Baird Shearer 18:28, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Article Size[edit]

I have just removed the section which was a cut and past of List of theaters and campaigns of World War II. This article is already too large (more than 35K ?). It would be better if it was a list of lists rather than one big list. For example when

From Talk:List of theaters and campaigns of World War II#I strongly suggest a merge...:

I am against this one article [(List_of_military_engagements_of_World_War_II)] in the shape it is in because it is already warns at the top of an edit "This page is 39 kilobytes long. This may be longer than is preferable; see article size." and many of the lists are by no means complete For example there were 100s of bomber raids like the one listed at the moment. Here are the major raids by the RAF for Just April 1945:
  • April 1st, Mannheim by 478 aircraft;
  • 2nd, Cologne 858 aircraft;
  • 3rd, Kamen 234, Dortmund-Ems Canal, 220;
  • 4th, small raids; 5-6th, Chemnitz 760, smaller raids 1,223;
  • 6th-7th, small raids;
  • 7-8th, Dessau 526, Hemmingstedt 256, Harburg 234 (SROT 1,276);
  • 8-9th, Hamburg 312 Kassel 262 (SROT 805);
  • 10th small raids;
  • 11th Essen 1,079 aircraft;
  • 12th Dortmund 1,079;
  • 13th Wuppertal and Barmen 354;
  • 14th, Herne and Gelsenkirchen 195, Datteln and Hattingen (near Bochum) 169;
  • 14-15th, Lützkendorf 244, Zweibrücken 230 (smaller raids 812 sorties);
  • 15-16th, Hagen 267, Misburg 257 (smaller raids 729);
  • 16-17th, Nuremburg 231, Würzburg 225 (smaller raids 171);
  • 17-18th, small day raids of total of 300 aircraft;
  • 18-19th Witten 324, 277 Hanau (smaller raids 844);
  • 19th, No. 617 Squadron RAF using six Grand Slams hit the railway viaduct at Arnsberg;
  • 20-21st, Böhlen 224, Hemmingstedt 166 (smaller raids 675).
  • 21st was 497;
  • 21-22nd was 536, the
  • 22nd daytime total was 708.
  • daylight on the 23rd, about 300 bombers carried out small raids.
  • 23-24th, 195 Lancasters and 23 Mosquitos from 5 and 8 Groups carried out the last raid on the town of Wesel. The attack was part of 537 sorties flown as tactical attacks in support of the British Army’s crossing of the Rhine on the 24th.
  • On April 25th there were attacks on towns with communication support for German troops defending the Rhine: Hanover 267, Munster 175, Osnabruck 156.
  • On the 27th, there were attacks on Paderborn 268, Hamm area 150 and smaller raids 541.
  • On the 31st Hamburg was attacked by 469 aircraft.
The page List of military engagements of World War II could become an overview like North African Campaign or the Middle East Campaign and be a useful page by giving a brief overview after a link to the main list covering a particular area. But lumping all the information into one large page is not the way to go. Philip Baird Shearer 22:43, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Contents of this article[edit]

I believe the extent of this list is legitimate, and therefore I have reverted to the last uncut version. Dna-Dennis 06:22, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

What does "the extent of this list" mean?. The page is too large. --Philip Baird Shearer 08:47, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
From my talk page:
You deleted a large segment of List of military engagements of World War II, declaring it was a copy of List of theaters and campaigns of World War II. Regretfully you did not notice that the segment you removed differed from and was larger than the other one. I with many others have been working hard on it, so please do not make such drastic changes without suggesting it first on the talk page. Furthermore, I think the extent of List of military engagements of World War II as it is now is legitimate, and I am sure others agree. I am however open for new suggestions, but I think the organization of pages/campaigns/theatres/battles/operations etc etc must be thoroughly discussed and thought through. Maybe some hierarchical organization of pages is needed? Regards, Dennis Nilsson. Dna-Dennis 06:17, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
I still think that this page will only work if it is a list of lists. What is in the list which improves on the List of theaters and campaigns of World War II? In other words what needs to be added to the List of World War II theaters and campaigns so that the the duplicat list can be removed from this article--Philip Baird Shearer 15:07, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
Note: "List of World War II theaters and campaigns" is now "List of theaters and campaigns of World War II".

My answers:

  1. What I mean by "extent of this list": contents, coverage, scope. What it encompasses, contains, covers.
  2. Article size: The warning says "This page is 39 kilobytes long. This may be longer than is preferable." This is only a general guideline. Please see Wikipedia:Article size which states Limits on article size are set by...considerations of readability and organization. and states that article sizes are less critical for lists.
  3. What is in the list which improves on the List of theaters and campaigns of World War II? Compared the alleged duplicated section and you will find that the versions differ.

My conclusion:

I believe that the scope of this list (as it stands now) is legitimate, and the size issue is of less importance. This is only due to organizational reasons; I believe Wikipedia gains from a coherent organization of the complexity and vast number of military engagements during World War II. In my opinion, before this list was created, a number of more or less corresponding lists existed in a non-orderly fashion:

My ambition was to try to bring order into the chaos. But please note: I am naturally open for suggestions and I do not cling to keeping this list undivided. But I sincerely think that we have much to gain from starting with a single comprehensive and extensive list (as this one), and later, when the need arises, go from there to a division and reorganization of the military engagements. As was indicated in the previous post "Article Size", I sincerely agree that the objective of the list should not be as a single list of every military engagement, and every single bomber raid should not be in the list. Certainly not, of course not! This was never the ambition; it was rather, as indicated, to act as an overview and a start-off point. But I repeat, we have to start from somewhere, and the organization of the list as it stands now is legitimate, until future contributions to this article and others give reason to a new, major, reorganization. My regards, Dennis Nilsson. Dna-Dennis 13:06, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

PS. It was actually originally suggested by another wikipedian in this old version. I did it partly because of that suggestion, which I found reasonable. DS.


One thing I wish to bring attention to is the fact that the Eastern Front is severely [fatally] underrepresented. Only the middle-school textbook battles are found here, while the real quantity and scope of the battles not mentioned here (ie: Smolensk, just as an example)dwarfs that of the vast majority of operations carried out by the western Allies listed here.

I guess as a timetable/summary of WWII this article may possibly be useful, but as is, it is severely biased and IMO fails to meet even the basic Wikipedia standards on objectivity. More attention to the war's largest theater is vital if it is to have any credibility whatsoever.--128.205.46.243 (talk) 23:10, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Links[edit]

There are a bunch of battles during World War II that are missing, and some of them are pretty important. For example, under the 1943 section, I found that the Battle of Tarawa was not mentioned. I have created a link, but I need help. People, please check battles in certain theaters of the war and make sure that they're also linked to from this page.

error[edit]

I noticed an error on the page, the Battle of Singapore is put under 1941, however on the battle of singapore page it is dated February 1942. one of the two pages must be incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zimmer173 (talkcontribs) 23:47, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Last battle of ww2 in Europe!!![edit]

The last battle of ww2 in Europe is the Battle of Odzak Between Yugoslav partisans and HOS (Croatian Armed Forces) from 19. april to 25. may 1945.

And not the Battle of Poljana from 14. to 15. may. 1945.

So I edited it


General Canic (talk) 20:28, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Redirect links[edit]

I don't know how to do this, so I ask others to do it for me. I think the search term "List of battles in World War 2" should link to this page, as I find "Military Engagements" harder to remember than "Battles". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.103.198.253 (talk) 15:20, 4 September 2013 (UTC)