Talk:List of nicknames of European royalty and nobility

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Merge[edit]

RLManikan 03:28, 24 April 2006 (UTC)rajofcanada Hello Piet,

Thanks for your feedback regarding my work on the list of nicknames of European royalty and noblity.

I have changed most of the capitalized nicknames according to your feedback. I capitalized the nicknames because I have trouble reading small letters so I find it very difficult when I add to, or edit, my work. However, I do appreciate your suggestion.

I'm a newcomer to Wikipedia and thus not so familiar with its policies. I am merely a list-maker and not a writer, historian or researcher. English is not even my first language.

Regarding merging my work with "List of Monarchs by Nickname", I prefer that we keep them as separate articles for the simple reason that "Nicknames of European Royalty and Nobility" is more comprehensive and inclusive. My article is a work-in-progress so it will still grow longer with more entries as I continue scouring the Internet.

Cheers.

That this list is longer, doesn't mean they don't have to be merged. The question is do we merge this list into the other or the other one in here. This one is longer but not at all formatted or linked to the relevant articles (although it is rapidly improving now). I thought it would be better to start from a wel-formatted article and introduce the missing entries, than to apply a good formatting to the enormous article that we have here. If the two articles contain the same information, keeping them as separate articles is out of the question. What you're doing now is ok, but in the end the articles will have to be merged so I think we better merge first and complete later. Piet 08:57, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

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This text, was a hidden comment in the text of the article so I have moved it here as this is a more appropriate place for this type of text. Most of it was added to the article in 17 March 2007 by Rajofcanada (diff) -- PBS (talk) 22:36, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

==Proposed Featured Personality==

Feature a royal or noble and highlight his or her nickname, its meaning, background, source or originator and relevance. Attach a picture, too.

==Introduction==

[The following are notes for the "Introduction" to this article which I hope to put out later. I have resorted to writing down these thoughts and ideas, in the course of my research, so I will not lose them given other equally important things that I do or attend to in the usual day-to-day living. Some of these are ideas I hope to incorporate in the article, or develop as a separate one, based on ideas generated while doing research for this article.]

This is a list of nicknames of persons who were or are rulers, monarchs or sovereigns of the various polities which existed or still exists in the European geopolitical area. It also includes individuals who were or are members of each polity's ranks of the nobility, their spouses and descendants.

Initially, European royalty and nobility from 1 C.E. to the present will be included in this list. Then, as the research progresses, those who lived before 1 C.E. will eventually be included.

A "polity" in this article refers to an empire, a kingdom, duchy, county, barony, or lordship and their equivalent titles in the other languages.

The category "nickname" is used in its widest sense to include epithets, sobriquets, pseudonyms, aliases (otherwise referred to as "also known as" or A.K.A.), etc. to give this article an all-inclusive character.

These nicknames have been collected solely through research on the Internet, including Wikipedia articles. While most of the sources are in English, the nickname-collection effort will also source Internet materials in other languages which can be understood by an English-speaking researcher using the many Internet (e.g., Google automatic translation) translation programs available. It is very interesting to see the perspective of various authors from other cultures or communities regarding the personalities included in this list.

==Links to Reference==

After each entry in this list, a link is provided to an article or source which mentions the nickname and its explanation. In many cases, the links provide information about a person in this list who has very scanty or no article in Wikipedia. These additional materials will hopefully lead to the writing of such an entry or article in Wikipedia.

A great majority of the linked references are from "king's lists" and genealogies which provide nothing more than the nickname. I have included them anyways to provide a "verifiable source" and, more importantly, as a "note" for further research. These "scanty-information" references will be replaced by more "substantial information" as soon as I have discovered them on the Internet.

Many of the references are also in non-English titles or versions simply because they are the only ones I have found thus far. Again, as soon as an English language source has been discovered, I will eventually replace the non-English sources.

==Regnal Names==

I am adding the equivalent regnal names of the rulers in the different polities over which they reigned or ruled and link them to their principal Wikipedia entry or biography. This section will follow the nicknames which are in non-English terms or those withour the definitive "the". For example Emperor Charles V of the Holy Roman Empire is also known as Charles I of Spain.

==Continuous Alphabetical Listing==

English nicknames, preceded by "the," will be listed alphabetically. This will be followed by other English and non-English nicknames, also arranged alphabetically. If the English equivalent or translation of the non-English nicknames have been found, they will accordingly be moved to the English nicknames.

==Links to Pictures==

Another feature of this list are the links to pictures or images of individual entries which have been found on the Internet. The pictures or images selected for inclusion here do not duplicate what is found in the Wikipedia article. The purpose of providing pictures or images is to enhance a reader's appreciation of the individual who is included in this list.

==Bibliography==

The bibliography provided here are links to web sites or articles which provide a greater amount of information about the persons included in this list as well as general information about a particular polity and its history and people.

==Hidden Notes to Individual Entries==

In the course of my research, I will be collecting materials (in the form of direct quotations with the corresponding reference) about individual entries especially those mentioning the historical background to, or explanation of, the nickname of a royal or noble in this list. I hope this will be expanded into an annotated list of nicknames later.

I am also identifying the source of the nickname, epithet or sobriquet, such as an author, a protagonist, the common folks or people or disgruntled follower in hopes of tracing the historical development of a nickname.-->

==Plan to Re-organize the List==

I'm thinking of re-organizing the list so that it is categorized according to royal or noble name followed by the nickname. For example, "of the Fiery Face": James II of Scotland will be moved to "James of the Fiery": James II of Scotland. Thus, all those named James and their nicknames will be listed under "J". I think it will be easier to locate a royal or noble's nickname this way by going directly to the given name. Besides, a royal or noble who has several nicknames will be located in the same page, if the list is sorted according to this plan. Thus, all of Napoleon I's many nicknames will appear contiguously to each other if he is listed as Napoleon "the This" or Napoleon "the That".

==References==

This reference page is undergoing a reorganization to help readers and contributors in their research

This reference section is being organized to give the readers an idea of the linked materials to this article. The idea is to enable other readers, contributors or editors to enrich the individual articles about the personalities included in the list of surnames by presenting a wider array of materials available on the Internet.

In the case of the referenced materials, I have moved them as links to individual nickname or person to which the reference material directly applies. By clicking on the link, the reader can immediately verify the source. Please note that only sources which mention the nickname and/or an explanation of the nickname are linked. In many cases, several links to sources are provided either because the additional ones provide additional information, a contrary interpretation by different historians or simply as an expansion of a popular meaning or interpretation of the nickname.

The reference section will be visited regularly to update it, clean or update broken links or reorganize the sections, as the case may be.

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