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  1. Expand the lead, perhaps explaining what a centenarian is, why reaching 100 is so important and why it's worth having a list of centenarians. Most importantly, however, it should describe the list and explain the formatting (mainly about how living people are bold and italicized).
  2. Add references for the names

Notice: This section is transcluded from Talk:Lists of centenarians/Potential candidates, in order to prevent it from being automatically archived.

Potential candidates discussion[edit]

Possibly still living[edit]

If anyone is good at research or has resources that I don't, the following people may have lived to be 100 (or may still be alive), but I can't find any evidence either way:

  1. Stanley Scarsbrook (born October, 1908)
  2. Isha Basant Joshi (born December 31, 1908) (alive in February 2008, but no evidence of turning 100)
  3. Mário Gardelli (born 1908)
  4. Diosdado G. Alesna (born May 18, 1909)
  5. Iosif Ardeleanu (born 1909)
  6. Charles Foley (journalist) (born 1909)
  7. Ong Eng Die (born June 20, 1910)
  8. Young Tommy (born December 25, 1910)
  9. José Gerschman (born c. 1910)
  10. Enzo Petito (born February 19, 1911)
  11. Ida Jones (born August 6, 1911)
  12. Kōji Seki (born September 20, 1911)
  13. Ivy Walker (born September 22, 1911)
  14. Aleksandr Dralkin (born November 3, 1911)
  15. Lillian Chalmers (born December 5, 1911)
  16. J. Hamilton-Holder (born February 2, 1912)
  17. Ferdinando Sarmi (born February 14, 1912)
  18. Marjorie Montgomery (born May 27, 1912)
  19. Katsumi Tezuka (born August 31, 1912)
  20. William Morton (tenor) (born September 27, 1912)
  21. Abdul Karim Disu (born October 12, 1912)
  22. Henry Pack (born October 30, 1912)
  23. Billy Hull (born 1912)
  24. Pedro Pagés (born February 21, 1913)
  25. Francisco Larrañaga (born September 14, 1913)
  26. Oskar Ritter (born 1913)
  27. Joan Warner (born c. 1913)
  28. Helvio Guozden (born February 1, 1914)
  29. Jean Rémy Ayouné (born June 5, 1914)
  30. Herbert Nürnberg (born July 16, 1914)
  31. R. T. Walker (born August 20, 1914)
  32. Ichirō Tanaka (born 1914)
  33. Henry Taylor (boxer) (born 1914)
  34. Alexander McConnell (born February 9, 1915)
  35. Kalima Amankulova (born 1915)
  36. J. Benibengor Blay (born 1915)
  37. Walter Buchanan (musician) (born 1915)
  38. Pete Ferry (born 1915) (possibly born in 1914 and died in 1971)
  39. Alberto Jammaron (born 1915)
  40. Rado Krošelj (born 1915)
  41. Anselmo Viviani (born 1915) (alive in 2007)
  42. Jack Beasley (footballer) (born 1916)
  43. Katharine Gordon (born 1916)
  44. Denis Lindsay (footballer) (born 1916)
  45. Mary Walker-Sawka (born 1916) (possibly died August 31, 2015)
  46. Kunitaka Sueoka (born February 1, 1917)
  47. Luciano Alghisi (born April 18, 1917)
  48. Ko Arima (born August 22, 1917)
For individuals who competed at the Olympic Games, see this list.

I've assumed that if someone reached 110, we would have certainly heard about it, so no one pre-1900 was included. Cheers, CP 19:32, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

RE - George Anderson (footballer born 1904) (born October 29, 1904)

The book "Football League Players' Records 1888-1939" (by Michael Joyce) has a date of 1974 for his death. Topcardi (talk) 22:17, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Another mystery solved! Thanks once again for the info! Cheers, CP 22:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
I would consider Nina Vanna to be notable enough, her filmography is more extensive than many others on the List of surviving silent film actors and if living she would be the oldest. DerbyCountyinNZ (talk) 23:00, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Still have to think about Vanna but, Derby, you may be interested in Adele De Garde as well. Cheers, CP 03:50, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
I'll try and get round to adding her to List of surviving silent film actors after the Olympics!!! She would surely be the oldest living actor/actress and not many would have celebrated 100 years since their first film role! Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (talk) 09:32, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Sir Alan Watt - found on website of possible death date of 1988. [1] --Thomas (talk) 06:53, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

That's good enough for me - only the top part is borrowed from Wikipedia, so the rest of it can be used as source - so I have removed him from the list. Thanks for the info! Cheers, CP 15:18, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I added Charles Howard here, along with Horace Wass and Harry Forsyth; either cricinfo is reliable enough to have them all in, or none of them. We need to have a standard policy on its reliability. Cheers, CP 17:08, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Khattak has lived to 100 after all, as his death has just been confirmed: --RandomOrca2 (talk) 21:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Too bad. At least he can be added to the list though. Cheers, CP 21:05, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Charles Howard (cricketer)'s Cricinfo profile says that he's probably deceased, although it notes that the Association of Cricket Statisticians claims that he is the oldest Cricket Player ever. In any case, he shouldn't be on the list until something conclusive is discovered. Cheers, CP 04:54, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
  1. Archie Frederick Collins , prolific author and radio pioneer, born January 8, 1869, renewed a copyright August 7, 1951, as "author." Library of Congress bibliographic file and "Who Was Who" by Marquis have no date of death. Presumed to have died sometime in the 1950's but not based on any obituary. Edison (talk) 01:11, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I removed Aylmer Liesemer, because the last reference of him being alive was the first external link, which was published in 2002, and I haven't seen any updates since then. Cheers, CP 18:03, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Found a death date for Richard Russel Southam through Rootsweb of August 26 1994 [2].--Thomas (talk) 09:59, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Wow, great find! Thanks! Cheers, CP 16:53, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Found a newspaper Clipping with Obituary of Lawrence E. kindt, he passed away in 1973. [3] --Tommieboi (talk) 03:55, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Fletcher Allen found a birth date of July 25 1905 at the website referenced on his page. Looking through the SSDI I found a Fletcher Allen born on July 26 1905 and Dying on August 5 1995 sounds like a real good possibility he only made it to nonagenarian status by several days. --Tommieboi (talk) 08:28, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Wow, you're really freaking good at this! Thanks! Cheers, CP 16:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Found this on George Braakman, Apparently born in 1903 and dying in 1965. [4]

Amazing. By the way, I moved Billy Kidd back to 1908 and left my reasoning on the article talk page, but I may be incorrect, so please do check it out... it's tough to find appropriate sources for a guy named "Billy Kidd", so I may be wrong overall and 1907 could be the correct year of birth... but I don't think so at the moment. Cheers, CP 16:55, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
I've removed Adele De Garde from the list since it's likely that she died in 1965 and there's no conclusive sources to include her on the list anyways. Cheers, CP 23:33, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
The information regarding De Garde's death on the Young Hollywood Walk of Fame (which as a result appeared on Wikipedia) appeared after I emailed the woman owning the site, after hearing a word from one of the members on StarTiger (an autograph hunter's site) that he/she had tried to contact her, only to be told that she had died in 1965... it's not the most reliable source in the world and since her date of birth is uncertain (it could've been 1904, 1905 you just don't know), I think we should consider re-adding her to the possibly living list for the time being, cheers --Jkaharper (talk) 12:28, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

A google of "oldest bristol rovers player" gives a link to the Bristol Rover Fan Club. Unfortunately, it needs a log-in to access it BUT the preview says "The recent death of Ernie Coombs means, I think, that Phil Taylor is the oldest ex-Rovers player alive. Taylor was born in Sept 1917, so will be 91 in a few...". As Bill Pickering was a former Rovers player I think they'd know if he was still alive. There's certainly nothing else to suggest that he is, or that he even reached his 100th birthday. Good enough to remove him? DerbyCountyinNZ 23:30, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Good enough for me. Thanks for the tip! Cheers, CP 06:17, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Robert Liversidge (born Jacob "Jack"" Perlweig. This Family tree for Perlzweig lists a Jacob (Jack) Liversidge, son of Asher Perlzweig, born 11 June 1904 in London, died 30 September 1994 in Vancouver. Is that a sufficiently reliable source? DerbyCountyinNZ 00:52, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

All the facts seem to line up; another excellent find! Cheers, CP 03:14, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

There's an obituary for a 101-year old Elsie Green, but I'm not sure if this is the same person as Elsie Green. [5] SiameseTurtle (talk) 22:51, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Definitely possible, although I can't figure out if it's the same person either. I'll add the link next to her name though. Cheers, CP 17:06, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Commenting to prevent archiving. Cheers, CP 19:23, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Tucker is deceased, see [6] "predeceased by her...husband, James R. Tucker, former Member of Parliament

for Trinity-Conception, Nlfd" – Connormah (talk) 20:16, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

And here's the mention of Tucker's death... [7]Connormah (talk) 20:20, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Nice find! Canadian Paul 20:29, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Brown deceased...see [8] and the news article I cited in the article. – Connormah (talk) 20:30, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Wow, great job again! Canadian Paul 20:49, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I've been looking for McPhillips for ages...can't seem to find anything though I'm 99% sure he's deceased... – Connormah (talk) 21:05, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Enzo Petito seems to have died in 1967 (check his page for reference). OscarL 10:08, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

I anticipate looking into Houghton and Friedman, and possibly Quinn in the coming weeks. I believe all three are deceased. Connormah (talk) 00:48, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
@Connormah: Turns out Quinn was still alive! Canadian Paul 00:14, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Would Luba Marks (aka Lubov Roudenko) be a candidate for this list or are her dates too vague/nebulous? Some sources claim she was born in 1915... Mabalu (talk) 13:28, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

This article states that Basil Dickinson is (as of 2013) the oldest living Australian Olympian and Commonwealth Games athlete. As he was born after Thelma Peake the implication is that Peake was deceased prior to 2013. Good enough? DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 01:49, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Good enough for me. Great find! Happy New Year Derby! Canadian Paul 21:06, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Possibly aged 100+ without birth/death dates[edit]

Although I am pretty positive that she is deceased, how about Marie-Louise Bruyère? She opened her couture house in Paris in 1928, having learned her trade from Lanvin and the Callot Soeurs. We have no birth or death dates for her, but to have launched in 1928 she would have had to be at least 18 years old (I would guess closer to early or mid-20s) easily making her born before 1910. Similar reasoning for Marcelle Dormoy (also a couturier with a 1928 launch date) although there is evidence Dormoy is deceased (But don't know when, though) as her heirs donated a dress she designed to a Paris museum. Mabalu (talk) 13:18, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

I don't what others think but, at a certain point, if we start including people where there isn't really a suggestion that they could be over 100 (i.e. a birth date), just a possibility, then this page might turn into a near-copy of the Possibly living people category, which might impede the purpose of this talk page (to facilitate improvement of the centenarian articles) by overloading it. But I have no strong opinions and am open to hearing other people's thoughts. Canadian Paul 23:41, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm against adding anyone without a DoB, there is too much room for error which lowers the standard of reliability too far. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 00:14, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Part of the reason I ask is because if anyone can find out dates, I'm pretty sure you guys can - as you're so good at finding impossible-to-find death dates for others. But yes, I accept the reasoning above. Was just curious as it struck me while looking at the articles that if they were both still alive they'd definitely be over 100, but both have been really difficult to find dates info on. Mabalu (talk) 00:26, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Ah, I see where you're coming from now and it makes sense. I wonder if there's a user page/sandbox somewhere that would be good for that type of collaboration, sort of like how the possibly living section of User:Canadian Paul/Olympics prevents this page from becoming unwieldy. Canadian Paul 23:22, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
I may just set one up for artists/designers with no known dates... Mabalu (talk) 00:48, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
User:Mabalu/Missingdates There we go. Only a few names so far, but will have to remember to add to it as I find others. Mabalu (talk) 02:10, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
I'll take a look when I get time. I might get lucky with a few of these names. Connormah (talk) 06:37, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Aged 100+ without reliable sources[edit]

Name Lifespan Age Notability Unreliable source
CarlisleMary Carlisle 1912/1914– 105/103 American actress [9]
FeliciteMarie-Claire Heureuse Félicité 1758–1858 99-100 Haitian Empress consort Need exact date of birth
  • Is this good enough for Daniel Aaron even though it was published the day before his 100th birthday, if taken in conjunction with a 2013 published source showing he was still alive that year here? Mabalu (talk) 02:25, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
Well the first one doesn't work, because it's before his birthday, but that doesn't matter because the second is fine on its own, so I've gone ahead and added him. I wouldn't have thought that a book would have proof that someone turned 100 less than a year after the event, but I guess I was wrong. Excellent work on finding the source! Canadian Paul 21:07, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Would this be a reliable enough source for Mary Carlisle [10] Tommieboi (talk) 17:29, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
Any good for Mary Carlisle? Also a namecheck here, but neither is really reliable enough, I guess. Mabalu (talk) 14:36, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
The problem with all of the above sources is that they are all from 2013, and now her claimed YOB is 1914, which would mean that she was not 100 in any of those. Unless we get a super-reliable source for her YOB that removes any reasonable doubt that she is 100, her age is too uncertain to be added to this list. Canadian Paul 22:31, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
Paul I just noticed that you had removed Mary a few months ago. For some reason, you choose to dismiss obvious sources like this video on her 100th birthday. Just because the source is Facebook? We're not using that website for biographical details on her own page. The only thing we want to do is to make sure that she reached 100. Mary is in that video, we see it with our own eyes. As for year of birth, check out all the new sources for Mary Carlisle. 1914 is supported by a newspaper article published way back in 1933. There's also her birth record and NY passenger list, although I know you don't take that into account for living people. I will re-add her to the list in a few days. OscarL 01:19, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia's policies are not my policies, they are the community's. I did not think them up, I did not write them and, to be honest, I don't even necessarily agree with the relevant policy in particular (although I understand why it is there). What I do do, however, is abide by and assist in enforcing them. People have fought tooth and nail for the past two years to have her listed here using the same type of sources that you are, and now we find out that we were wrong. Because the issue is so contentious, we need better evidence and community consensus. Verifiability trumps "truth" in cases like these, particularly when the "truth" is contested. What matters is that we get it right and, since there is no deadline, it doesn't matter if we get it right today or 10 years from now. And if we had let her centenarian status fly for the past two years based on the evidence provided, we would have gotten it wrong, and that would have been inexcusable. We cannot include it until it is verifiable. Canadian Paul 20:44, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
Let me repeat: Mary Carlisle's birth year IS 1914 AND verifiable by a reliable newspaper article from 1933. Forget about the 1912 date; according to Ann Dvorak's biography she added two years to her age in the late 1920s to get a contract with MGM. I don't have the book so I can't cite it in her article. Even her official Facebook page says it's 1914 (posted April 27 2014). You would never dispute the very same video of her 100th birthday if it was reported by CNN, would you? Paul, I do take referencing seriously. I've made 50 something stubs/articles without getting any of them nominated for deletion and none are tagged. But I will never follow or enforce rules that goes against common sense. I know where you stand in this matter and would like to hear others' opinions about this. OscarL 07:21, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
Is this the Ann Dvorak reference? It just says that Dvorak's age was boosted a bit, and mentions Mary Carlisle as a fellow applicant, but doesn't say Mary Carlisle also boosted her age too... so I'd say it is inconclusive. Mabalu (talk) 09:49, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
See this comment from her official FB page:
I don't get what's so difficult to understand about this OscarLake. No original research. No unreliable sources (like Facebook). No primary sources on articles about living people. As I've said before, get consensus (which you don't seem to have, since you've been reverted by three different users), get OTRS permission, or find a reliable source. You have three options and yet you choose to ignore all of them and continue to try and force your way. "I will never follow or enforce rules that goes against common sense" is not acceptable in a community project such as Wikipedia and your activities here are disruptive and fail to take the biographies of living people seriously. I've noticed that on other pages too, you're using unreliable sources and primary evidence on living people and this sort of disrespect for Wikipedia's policies and community has gone on too long. If I see anymore flaunting of the BLP policies (including adding Mary Carlisle to this list without a reliable source, OTRS ticket, or consensus) then I will be proposing a ban on your editing of the biographies of living people to the community. Editing BLPs is serious business and, if you refuse to hear that from me, then you can hear it from the community. Canadian Paul 22:05, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
  • So it looks like Draja Mickaharic may have had a book published in March 2014. The title? "The Long Lived" (ISBN:1304946223). Fitting.... Mabalu (talk) 00:05, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Can we use the back cover of The Long Lived as evidence Draja's still alive? Or is it an unreliable/primary source? It does imply he was still alive in 2014, when he would have been 102 Mabalu (talk) 00:11, 6 December 2014 (UTC) (Edit - being WP:BOLD and moving this reasoning here.) Mabalu (talk) 12:53, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Seems perfectly reliable to me. I didn't use the Amazon link itself when I added it, but the book itself should be more than enough reasonable proof that he's made it past 100. It IS self-published but, given the nature of what we are citing it for (that he is alive and over 100), I think that it should be fine. Canadian Paul 23:51, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Brockway McMillan's obituary here ( Will add him to the list. Cheers --Jkaharper (talk) 16:32, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

1916 births, still living[edit]

Name Lifespan Age Notability
AtkinsRonald Atkins 1916– 101 British politician
BentleyEric Bentley 1916– 101 English-born American critic
HandlenFrank Handlen 1916– 101 American painter

All set for 2016. Additions always welcome. Canadian Paul 17:53, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Canadian Paul, although I'm sure there must be more than this. Where did you get this list of names from? -- Ollie231213 (talk) 21:28, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
I get them from this site, as well as any others that I come across on Wikipedia. There are almost certainly more and they usually pop up over the course of the year, but if you know of any others, please add them! Canadian Paul 19:47, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

1917 births, still living[edit]

Name Lifespan Age Notability
FinneyD. J. Finney 1917– 100 British statistician
FrankHarriet Frank Jr. 1917– 100 American screenwriter
MegellasJames Megellas 1917– 100 American Army officer
SobellMorton Sobell 1917– 100 American spy for the Soviet Union
HaleDeWitt Hale 1917– 100 American politician
NorgaardLise Nørgaard 1917– 100 Danish journalist
WhitingAlbert N. Whiting 1917– 100 American academic administrator
MakDayton S. Mak 1917– 100 American diplomat
CustisDonald L. Custis 1917– 100 American Surgeon General of the Navy
RaeKeith Rae 1917– 100 Australian rules footballer
PorteusMorgan Porteus 1917– 100 American Episcopal bishop
SmithJack Smith 1917– 100 American football player
BecerrilMario Becerril 1917– 99 Mexican equestrian
DahlbergWesley P. Dahlberg 1917– 100 American automobile designer
YxemerryAmbroise Yxemerry 1917– 100 French journalist
MunkWalter Munk 1917– 100 American physical oceanographer
KnowlesDurward Knowles 1917– 100 Bahamian sailor
ZadekHilde Zadek 1917– 99 German operatic soprano
HaseKarl-Günther von Hase 1917– 99 German politician
AthillDiana Athill 1917– 99 British literary editor
WolkMargot Wölk 1917– 99 German food taster for Adolf Hitler
DelairSuzy Delair 1917– 99 French actress and singer
FurtadoFrancisco Furtado 1917– 99-100 Brazilian rower

This is what I have for 2017. Additions always welcomed! Canadian Paul 13:01, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

  • Dayton S. Mak is still living as of 2014: [11]
  • Margot Wölk was edited to say she died in 2015, which was unsourced, but seems likely true, as she has not been confirmed since then. EternalNomad (talk) 17:26, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
Mak added. I'll keep an eye for an official death confirmation for Wölk, but if nothing shows up for her 100th birthday, she'll end up moving to Possibly living people anyhow. Canadian Paul 15:28, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Raymond Weber Jones deceased as per link on his article. Dahlberg was born in 1918 according to his article. --Jkaharper (talk) 18:58, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Dahlberg was born on the date I used above according to public records. While those aren't good enough to change the date on Wikipedia, they do indicate when we should be looking for a 100th birthday announcement. Canadian Paul 11:18, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Hashim Khan[edit]

Thoughts on this one? Hashim Khan died in August 2014. His Washington Post obit says "he was widely believed to be 100, possibly 104". Thanks --Jkaharper (talk) 15:00, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Without even a certain year I think he should be excluded. Even the claim to be 100 seems likely to be an exaggeration. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 17:48, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
Tough call. On one hand, we have generally not included people whose centenarian status is in question, as Derby suggests. Then again, no one objected when I added Sheikh Mukhtar Mohamed Hussein on the strength that one of his obituaries claimed that he was 100 at the time of his death. His family celebrated his birthday on a particular date and believed he might have been older than 100, but the original research side of things suggests that he was born in 1916. So in other words, I'm no help at all. Canadian Paul 07:58, 9 April 2017 (UTC)