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Chester Pushie[edit]

Different sources from GRG give different ages. This gives an age of 110 years and 21 days (death on 15 July); while Pushie this says he died on 22 July and was aged 110 years and 28 days. There needs to be a single definitive age before he can be included. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 21:53, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Don't forget to check if there was some date in the Julian calendar (it is THAT long ago :o), or there could simply have been some mistake in old document. In case of doubt, the safest is to take the shorter lifespan with a note until resolved.
15:28, 29 November 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

Orphaned references in List of oldest people by nation[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of oldest people by nation's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "GRG":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT 04:23, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Inconsistent presentation of living people[edit]

Sort the table by death date such that living people are at the top of the list and it's clear there is inconsistent highlighting:

Country Name Sex Birth date Death date Age
Iceland Georg Ólafsson[o][1][2] M 26 March 1909 Living 107 years, 332 days
Italy Emma Morano-Martinuzzi F 29 November 1899 Living 117 years, 84 days
Jamaica Violet Brown[r][3] F 10 March 1900 Living 116 years, 348 days
Mexico Dominga Velasco (lives in the USA) F 12 May 1901 Living 115 years, 285 days
Moldova Goldie Steinberg[t] (lives in the USA) F 30 October 1900 Living 116 years, 114 days
Russia Goldie Michelson[z] (lives in the USA) F 8 August 1902 Living 114 years, 197 days

Similarly with the Territorial and overseas regions recordholders section:

Country Territory Name Sex Birth date Death date Age
Denmark Faroe Islands Theodor Thomassen[4] M 28 October 1908 Living 108 years, 116 days
France French Guiana Eudoxie Baboul F 1 October 1901 Living 115 years, 143 days

I'm not sure what the standard is, but whatever it is it needs implementing. Thryduulf (talk) 14:44, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

You might as well be bold, think of a reasonable highlighting scheme, and implement it. IMO, highlighting only the word Living would work well. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:14, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Color alone is a violation of MOS:COLOR. We need some more thought about this. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 19:25, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
It isn't colour alone I don't think, as it's just duplicating "Living" in the date of death column? Thryduulf (talk) 01:43, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
As I wrote above, I think it does (green=living). So why can't the colouring just be removed? If consistent colouring is desired, either 1) rowspans have to be abandoned, or 2) only the column "Death date" can be highlighted, or 3) the example of the Russian entries has to be applied to other multi-row entries; the entry for Russia specifies the neutral background explicitly for column "Country". My preference is 2). -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:13, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I think 2 is my preference too. Thryduulf (talk) 16:44, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 14 August 2015[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 11:07, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

List of oldest people by nationList of oldest people by country – As seen by Category:Lists by country and in the subpages and in every other country-related discussion, we use the word country not nation. This 2010 move rationale ("United Nations" not "United Countries") is not in line with policy. Ricky81682 (talk) 01:52, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

  • Support Some say "potato". But your reasoning makes sense, although I don't think it's a policy matter. Randy Kryn 11:51, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Support per broader consensus on Wikipedia. Ca2james (talk) 15:50, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Bullshit. You're just hating on Dr Young. He was right, there are no "United Cointries." Rename everything else to nation's instead — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:18, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Quite right you are, there is indeed no such thing as "United Cointries". And that's relevant how? The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:00, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. A nation is "a social concept with no uncontroversial definition". Let's be clear. —  AjaxSmack  01:48, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.


I see no value in duplicating this entire article at Oldest people. Either merge this entire article there or point here for the information. Someone should check if this table conflicts with the ones here already. Legacypac (talk) 05:24, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Data from Oldest people[edit]

This article gives the recordholders for various countries to the extent that they have been established. These records are based on place of birth in current borders for simplicity. Those listed as 'verified' have been validated by an international body that specifically deals in longevity research, such as the Gerontology Research Group.

  Deceased   Living

Country Name Sex Birth date Death date Age
France Jeanne Calment F 21 February 1875 4 August 1997 122 years, 164 days
United States Sarah Knauss F 24 September 1880 30 December 1999 119 years, 97 days
Canada Marie-Louise Meilleur F 29 August 1880 16 April 1998 117 years, 230 days
Japan Misao Okawa F 5 March 1898 1 April 2015 117 years, 27 days
Ecuador María Capovilla F 14 September 1889 27 August 2006 116 years, 347 days
Italy Emma Morano-Martinuzzi F 29 November 1899 Living 117 years, 84 days
Jamaica Violet Brown[a] F 10 March 1900 Living 116 years, 348 days
Denmark Christian Mortensen M 16 August 1882 25 April 1998 115 years, 252 days
United Kingdom Charlotte Hughes F 1 August 1877 17 March 1993 115 years, 228 days
Portugal Maria de Jesus F 10 September 1893 2 January 2009 115 years, 114 days
Poland Augusta Holtz[b] F 3 August 1871 21 October 1986 115 years, 79 days
Netherlands Hendrikje van Andel-Schipper F 29 June 1890 30 August 2005 115 years, 62 days
Brazil Maria Gomes Valentim F 9 July 1896 21 June 2011 114 years, 347 days
Moldova Goldie Steinberg[c] F 30 October 1900 16 August 2015 114 years, 290 days
Spain Maria Antonia Castro[5] F 10 June 1881 16 January 1996 114 years, 220 days
Cape Verde Adelina Domingues[d] F 19 February 1888 21 August 2002 114 years, 183 days
Germany Charlotte Benkner F 16 November 1889 14 May 2004 114 years, 180 days
Algeria Anne Primout[e] F 5 October 1890 26 March 2005 114 years, 172 days
Mexico Dominga Velasco F 12 May 1901 11 October 2015 114 years, 152 days
Australia Christina Cock[f] F 25 December 1887 22 May 2002 114 years, 148 days
India Lucy d'Abreu[g] F 24 May 1892 7 December 2005 113 years, 197 days
Ireland Kathleen Snavely[h] F 16 February 1902 6 July 2015 113 years, 140 days
Russia Goldie Michelson[i] F 8 August 1902 Living 114 years, 197 days
Barbados James Sisnett[j] M 22 February 1900 23 May 2013 113 years, 90 days
Sweden Astrid Zachrison F 15 May 1895 15 May 2008 113 years, 0 days
Hungary Elizabeth Stefan[k] F 13 May 1895 9 April 2008 112 years, 332 days
Finland Lempi Rothovius[l] F 2 October 1887 17 June 2000 112 years, 259 days
Belgium Joanna Deroover F 3 June 1890 6 December 2002 112 years, 186 days
Czech Republic Maria Mika[m] F 23 May 1882 17 November 1994 112 years, 178 days
Argentina Luisa Roncoroni de BizzozeroLuisa Roncoroni, 110 años de vitalidad F 30 June 1903 1 September 2015 112 years, 63 days
Norway Maren Bolette Torp F 21 December 1876 20 February 1989 112 years, 61 days
Morocco Consuelo Moreno[n] F 5 February 1893 13 November 2004 111 years, 282 days
South Africa Johanna Booyson F 17 January 1857 16 June 1968 111 years, 151 days
Belarus Mollye Marcus[o] F 18 October 1899 18 February 2011 111 years, 123 days
Colombia Daniel Guzmán-García M 6 February 1897 21 May 2008 111 years, 105 days
Switzerland Emma Duvoisin F 5 July 1886 30 September 1997 111 years, 87 days
Austria Hermine Nistler F 24 December 1900 13 February 2012 111 years, 51 days
Greece Gregory Pandazes M 15 January 1873 22 December 1983 110 years, 341 days
Slovenia Katarina Marinič[p] F 30 October 1899 2 September 2010 110 years, 307 days
Saint Kitts and Nevis Rosalind Hill[q] F 30 March 1899 18 January 2010 110 years, 294 days
Lithuania Ella Ille Rentel[r] F 19 May 1852 19 September 1962 110 years, 123 days
Croatia Hermina Dunz[s] F 24 February 1898 14 June 2008 110 years, 111 days
Peru Julia Dougherty F 20 August 1893 4 December 2003 110 years, 106 days
New Zealand Ethel Booth[t] F 25 December 1890 18 February 2001 110 years, 55 days
Iceland Guðrún Björnsdóttir[u][6] F 20 October 1888 26 August 1998 109 years, 310 days

a^ Brown was born in Jamaica, then a British colony.
b^ Holtz was born in Czarnikau, which was then part of the German Empire; it is now Czarnków and located in Poland.
c^ Steinberg was born in Kishinev, which was then a part of the Russian Empire; it is now located in Moldova.
d^ Domingues was born in Cape Verde, which was at the time of her birth a Portuguese colony; now it is an independent country.
e^ Primout was born in French Algeria; it is now Algeria.
f^ Cock was born in the former British colony Victoria, which is now part of Australia.
g^ d'Abreu was born in Dharwar, which was then a part of the British Raj; it is now located in India.
h^ Snavely was born in Ireland, then part of the United Kingdom.
i^ Michelson was born in the Russian Empire; it is now Russia.
j^ Sisnett was born in Barbados, which was at the time of his birth a British colony; now it is an independent country.
k^ Stefan was born in Siebenbürgen, which was then part of Austria-Hungary. It is now in Romania.
l^ Rothovius was born in Finland, then an autonomous state of the Russian Empire.
m^ Mika was born in Bohemia, which was then part of Austria-Hungary; it is now located in the Czech Republic.
n^ Moreno was born in Spanish Morocco, which was then a part of the Spanish Empire; it is now Morocco.
o^ Marcus was born in Lechovitz, which was then a part of the Russian Empire; it is now located in Belarus.
p^ Marinič was born in Deskle, which was then a part of Austria-Hungary; it is now located in Slovenia.
q^ Hill was born in Saint Kitts and Nevis, which was at the time of her birth a British colony; now it is an independent country.
r^ Rentel was born in Geldauschinken, which was then a part of the Russian Empire; it is now located in Lithuania.
s^ Dunz was born in Zagreb, which was then a part of Austria-Hungary; it is now located in Croatia.
t^ Booth was born in New Zealand, which was at the time of her birth a British colony; now it is an independent country.
u^ Björnsdóttir was born in Iceland, which was at the time of her birth a part of Denmark; now it is an independent country.

Territorial recordholders[edit]

Country Territory Name Sex Birth date Death date Age
Denmark Faroe Islands Theodor Thomassen[7] M 28 October 1908 Living 108 years, 116 days
Greenland Malene Lund[8][9] F 6 June 1877 27 January 1979 101 years, 235 days
France Saint Barthélemy Eugénie Blanchard F 16 February 1896 4 November 2010 114 years, 261 days
French Guiana Eudoxie Baboul[10] F 1 October 1901 Living 115 years, 143 days
Guadeloupe Luce Maced F 2 May 1886 25 February 2000 113 years, 299 days
Réunion Julia Sinédia-Cazour F 12 July 1892 6 October 2005 113 years, 86 days
Martinique Irénise Moulonguet F 6 November 1900 28 May 2013 112 years, 203 days
New Caledonia Marie-Louise Lhuillier F 26 June 1895 28 December 2007 112 years, 185 days
United States Puerto Rico Emiliano Mercado del Toro M 21 August 1891 24 January 2007 115 years, 156 days

Jelisaveta Veljković died[edit]

Serbian supercentenarian, Mrs. Jelisaveta Veiljković (Serb. Јелисавета Вељковић) has died today (October 22, 2016) in her 113th year. The news in Serbian are given in "Politika" newspapers, one of the most famous in Serbia, so it is an official news. (

Best regards, Ant83 (talk) 16:14, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Irena Rozencvajg[edit]

Irena Rozencvajg from Subotica, Vojvodina, Serbia is now probably oldest living person in Serbia. She was born on 8 November 1909.[11] this was when she was 103 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:03, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Oldest living American man?[edit]

Adele Dunlap has been listed as the oldest living person in the USA, but why is there no man listed together with her? Is it still not confirmed who the oldest living man in the USA is? According to Wikipedia, it is Clarene Matthews born 1 May 1906, but is that false? I believe the oldest living American man is Allen Charles Jackson, born 24 November 1903. BjörnBergman 00:20, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Unless there is a reliable source stating that someone is the oldest living man in the US, speculation is irrelevant. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 03:32, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Oldest Irish man?[edit]

Moved from my talk page: You reverted my contribution to List_of_oldest_people_by_country with following:-"Rvt. No statement that Killain was/is the oldest ever Irish man as required for inclusion in this article."

Please see 1st paragraph of the article which is more forgiving than your revert- Such records can only be determined to the extent that the given country's records are reliable. Comprehensive birth registration is largely a 20th-century phenomenon, so records establishing human longevity are necessarily fragmentary. The earliest comprehensive recordkeeping systems arose in Europe. For example, the United Kingdom organized a central recordkeeping system for England and Wales in 1837, making it compulsory by 1874.

Could you revert your revert please as researching/contributing to wikipedia takes time and subject is notable and verified? Nmclough (talk) 20:50, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

This is only source I can find for another old Irishman: <ref>{{cite news|url=|title=Irelands oldest man dies|newspaper=irish times}}</ref> Nmclough (talk) 20:57, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

No, I don't think so. The requirements for this article are that a person is stated to be the oldest person/man or oldest living person/man in that country. Original research is not a basis for inclusion. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 21:01, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
I have added as note. The verifiable references are public-domain published articles = not original research. Wikipedia is evolving so Ireland has "no oldest man"; I want to add "oldest man" and someone else with verifable sources can dispute. Lets follow Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution#Resolving_content_disputes Nmclough ([[User

talk:Nmclough|talk]]) 21:29, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

This is best I can find. It uses the word "Irish Record" which, considering reliability clause (116 years ago) nearly meets your criteria: <ref>{{cite news|url=|title=Centenarians, A remarkable Irish Record}}</ref>
I think that is a misuse of the term "record". The following was an edit conflict: Yes, it IS original research if you "find" someone you think is the oldest but there is no reference saying so. Any such claim, by you, fails WP:V and I will remove it on that basis. I am moving this to the appropriate talk page so that other editors can contribute to this discussion. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 22:18, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Apart from the issues above, the long-standing consensus for this, and others based on longevity, is to exclude entries without specified dates of birth and death. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 22:23, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
There is a long-standing consensus that "reasonable opinion" weighs heavily, and IS implied in WP:V and WP:OR, and echoed in the article with regard to "reliability", "fragmentation", "where known", "disputed", etc. My sources are conservative newspapers repeating a telegram, an accepted component of news infrastructure of that age, confirming a 111yr old man, and rather than original research/thinking, the editorial consensus states "a remarkable age" which reasonable people would hardly argue with. Forcing strict WP:V alignment in the trivia of "oldest people" is unhelpful, and unreasonable intrepretation of editorial intention. Oldest person trivia is a moving target and wikipedia facilitates revision. If you insist on strict interpretation, then I must stand down my contribution. Other editors can refer to this instead: although WP:V questions still arise (and I have disregarded a 1930's Perth-Australia newspaper report of a 115yr old Irishman due to WP:V too). Nmclough (talk) 14:48, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
His correct name was "Bernard Kilrane" according to a biography: of clooncarne online-o/p3.htm which also claims he was 111-112yrs old.