Talk:List of ongoing armed conflicts
WHAT ABOUT CREATING A MAP OF THE CONTROLLED TERRITORY IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND NORTH AFRICA, MERGING THE DETAILED MAPS OF THE CONFLICTS IN LYBIA, SYRIA, LEBANON, IRAQ, EGYPT AND YEMEN? IT WOULD BE INTERESTING AND IS THE CHALLANGE I LUNCH TO WIKIPEDIA MAP CREATORS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.93.202.93 (talk) 13:20, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
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August 2015[edit]
Turkey against PKK in Iraq[edit]
Shouldn't Turkey's airstrikes against PKK in Iraq be considered part of the Turkey-PKK conflict, instead of the Iraq war? The relevant Wikipedia article, Operation Martyr Yalçın, is classified as part of the Turkey-PKK conflict. Anyway, the 2015 Iraq war death toll includes only civilian fatalities for now, so PKK fatalities should be added either there or in the Turkey-PKK conflict death toll. Nykterinos (talk) 12:58, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- You're right, that would be ideal. It implies to be aware not to count two times the victims. It would be also ideal to add non-civilian casulaties in the Iraq War count as well. But we remark also in the case of PKK fatalities that they have been counted as civilian fatalities. Wykx (talk) 13:05, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- The 2015 death toll for the Turkey-PKK conflict is still at 29, can someone compile a few sources and update it if they have a chance? I will do it as soon as I have some time, just noting that there has ben a string of attacks in the last few weeks that have killed a few dozen security forces, civilians and PKK members across Southeastern Turkey. Four officers were killed in a roadside bombing just a few hours ago, once more in Sirnak Province. Not sure how we can find ALL the events, but there was roughly an attack per day since the 'ceasefire' broke down. Skycycle (talk) 11:54, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
- Edit: yet another attack today alone - 1 soldier killed, 7 injured after their helicopter was shot at. ( Link) Skycycle (talk) 12:02, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
- More than 400 killed in past two weeks according to Turkish sources - moving it to mid-intensity conflicts.GreyShark (dibra) 07:26, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you, this mean Turkey should go from yellow to orange in the next map update as well. Skycycle (talk) 18:08, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
- The source says “Turkish airstrikes have killed at least 390 PKK militants in northern Iraq”; so Turkey should remain yellow for now, because, according to the rule followed so far, when a conflict takes place across different countries, each country is coloured according to the number of fatalities taking place within it (see e.g. Nigeria-Cameroon-Niger-Chad), and in Turkey there have been less than 100 fatalities due to the Turkey-PKK conflict. Nykterinos (talk) 09:28, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
- That is an interesting point you are raising. The practice has so far been to list countries as epicenters of certain conflicts, though indeed some conflicts occurred over two or more countries - Boko Haram insurgency, Syrian Civil War and now Turkey-PKK conflict. Overall, the map should reflect the table, but the fact is that conflicts are not necessarily bound to borders, thus perhaps we need to discuss this case in a broader way - how should it be shown on the map.GreyShark (dibra) 18:08, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
- Here is how I see it: the map represents the locations listed in the table, and the guidelines say that “Location refers to the state(s) where the main violence takes place”. So, if a conflict takes place across different states (=has multiple locations), those states should be coloured, each according to the amount of violence taking place within it. In the same way, if different conflicts take place within the same state (like in DRC), that state should be coloured according to the sum of the fatalities of the different conflicts. Nykterinos (talk) 19:50, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
- Well i think the main issue to be considered is what data we have available. Right now we basically only keep running tallies of how many people of have been killed in each conflict, rather than how many people in each state have been killed by conflict. Do we even have sufficent data to determine how many people have died in each country due to conflict? Some conflicts like the Insurgency in the Magreb we have practically no casualty data on for the entire conflict let alone each individual state (ie: Tunisia, Algeria, Mali, Niger, ect).XavierGreen (talk) 15:18, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- For the whole Africa, we have continuously updated data for each country by ACLED. For the Boko Haram insurgency and the Maghreb insurgency, you find the precise numbers for each State specified in the footnotes. Nykterinos (talk) 22:51, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Well i think the main issue to be considered is what data we have available. Right now we basically only keep running tallies of how many people of have been killed in each conflict, rather than how many people in each state have been killed by conflict. Do we even have sufficent data to determine how many people have died in each country due to conflict? Some conflicts like the Insurgency in the Magreb we have practically no casualty data on for the entire conflict let alone each individual state (ie: Tunisia, Algeria, Mali, Niger, ect).XavierGreen (talk) 15:18, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Here is how I see it: the map represents the locations listed in the table, and the guidelines say that “Location refers to the state(s) where the main violence takes place”. So, if a conflict takes place across different states (=has multiple locations), those states should be coloured, each according to the amount of violence taking place within it. In the same way, if different conflicts take place within the same state (like in DRC), that state should be coloured according to the sum of the fatalities of the different conflicts. Nykterinos (talk) 19:50, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
- That is an interesting point you are raising. The practice has so far been to list countries as epicenters of certain conflicts, though indeed some conflicts occurred over two or more countries - Boko Haram insurgency, Syrian Civil War and now Turkey-PKK conflict. Overall, the map should reflect the table, but the fact is that conflicts are not necessarily bound to borders, thus perhaps we need to discuss this case in a broader way - how should it be shown on the map.GreyShark (dibra) 18:08, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
- The source says “Turkish airstrikes have killed at least 390 PKK militants in northern Iraq”; so Turkey should remain yellow for now, because, according to the rule followed so far, when a conflict takes place across different countries, each country is coloured according to the number of fatalities taking place within it (see e.g. Nigeria-Cameroon-Niger-Chad), and in Turkey there have been less than 100 fatalities due to the Turkey-PKK conflict. Nykterinos (talk) 09:28, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you, this mean Turkey should go from yellow to orange in the next map update as well. Skycycle (talk) 18:08, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
- More than 400 killed in past two weeks according to Turkish sources - moving it to mid-intensity conflicts.GreyShark (dibra) 07:26, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
- Edit: yet another attack today alone - 1 soldier killed, 7 injured after their helicopter was shot at. ( Link) Skycycle (talk) 12:02, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
South-North Korea[edit]
The conflict seems to have new victims. Could you check and re-add it if necessary? Wykx (talk) 18:13, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
- Yeah, but according to this, there are no fatalities.GreyShark (dibra) 13:54, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
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- ok thanks! Wykx (talk) 18:21, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- There were also two brief firefights last year, but they produced no reported casualties.XavierGreen (talk) 17:09, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
- ok thanks! Wykx (talk) 18:21, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
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Moro conflict in Sabah[edit]
Was added with no prior discussion by user:Shhhhwwww!!. Can somebody check the sources and the context? Is is substantially different from the Moro insurgency in the Philippines?GreyShark (dibra) 20:30, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
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- Abu Sayaf occasionally will launch attacks in Sabah, mostly related to kidnapping attempts. But these are a direct part of the insurgency in the Philippines. I am unaware of any ongoing insurgency in Sabah since the Sultanate of Sulu Kiramist factions invasion was repelled in 2013. There was one shootout that killed two militants on October 30, 2014, but its unclear to me if they were from the same faction or indeed any organized faction at all. I would say the evidence is currently against inclusion given that there seems to be no organized conflict ongoing.XavierGreen (talk) 23:22, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Burundi conflict[edit]
Seems that 2015 Burundi unrest is eligible for inclusion - casualties top 100 (77 killed by June 19, 3 killed on June 28th, 6 killed on early July, 3 political murders on July 24th 1 political murder - Aug 2nd, 5 gov-t officials killed Aug 5th, 1 political murder - Aug 15th, 4 killed in clashes Aug 19th) and armed clashes with the opposition occur every once and a while. Adding it.GreyShark (dibra) 13:56, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
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- Is the armed opposition to the state organized? Or is it merely mob violance / independent actors or one way conflict with the state suppressing unarmed protesters violently.XavierGreen (talk) 21:18, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, certainly organized. I cannot prove that all the political killings were indeed politically-motivated and not crime, but the general perception is that there is Pierre Nkurunziza's government and there is opposition, with NFL likely being involved. To prove my point, i want to show this article Uganda's president starts mediation role in Burundi unrest and claim logically that mediation is not possible if there are no organized opponents (quote "Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni met with representatives of the Burundi government and opposition leaders in the nation's capital, Bujumbura, late Tuesday. The talks are being attended by Agathon Rwasa, the most prominent opposition leader in Burundi.").GreyShark (dibra) 16:42, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
- I tried an updated compilation of ACLED data. There has been 42 rioters and 44 military mutineers killed by police and army as well as 83 (mostly) political victims of 'unidentified' armed groups. The unrest has reached now 169 casualties. Even if you exclude rioters I also believe we are now above 100. The link to 2015 Burundian unrest seems appropriate. Wykx (talk) 15:26, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, certainly organized. I cannot prove that all the political killings were indeed politically-motivated and not crime, but the general perception is that there is Pierre Nkurunziza's government and there is opposition, with NFL likely being involved. To prove my point, i want to show this article Uganda's president starts mediation role in Burundi unrest and claim logically that mediation is not possible if there are no organized opponents (quote "Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni met with representatives of the Burundi government and opposition leaders in the nation's capital, Bujumbura, late Tuesday. The talks are being attended by Agathon Rwasa, the most prominent opposition leader in Burundi.").GreyShark (dibra) 16:42, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
- Is the armed opposition to the state organized? Or is it merely mob violance / independent actors or one way conflict with the state suppressing unarmed protesters violently.XavierGreen (talk) 21:18, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Turkey-PKK conflict might become a major conflict[edit]
Recent report says the number of killed in the conflict tops 959 since July 20, with 9 additional victims from a more quiet phase between January to mid-July. With such rate, we will see this conflict becoming a major one (above 1000 killed per year) within days.GreyShark (dibra) 15:26, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks. I've coloured Turkey orange now that the conflict has crossed the 100 fatalities threshold in south-eastern Turkey. Nykterinos (talk) 11:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- The conflict has just surpassed 1000 fatalities: 918 Kurds, 60 Turks, another 15 civilians (Turks & Kurds) + 7 tonight; 9 more had been killed prior to July escalation.GreyShark (dibra) 04:31, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
- I see you've moved the conflict to the "more than 1,000 fatalities" section, but we usually use the lower estimate of fatalities to classify a conflict (see, for example, South Sudan, which provoked more than 10,000 deaths last year according to the higher estimate). Anyway, thanks for including the claims of both parties to the conflict: the Turkish government figure for PKK fatalities seems very high, and could be inflated for obvious reasons. Nykterinos (talk) 22:35, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks - in my experience we actually use the upper threshold. I agree this is something to discuss - because often the numbers differ greatly.GreyShark (dibra) 21:16, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
- Right now, the lower estimate is being used for South Sudan (6,383-40,000+ in 2014) and is always used as sortable number. Since the sorting feature of the table orders conflicts on the basis of the lower estimate of fatalities, it would be logic, in my opinion, to classify them on the basis of the lower estimate, too. Nykterinos (talk) 09:05, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
- I also favor the lower estimate. It happens that the lower estimate is not really accurate (the Libya body count was factually underestimated) and in that case it shouldn't be mentioned. Wykx (talk) 09:10, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
- @Wykx and Nykterinos: i started discussion below.GreyShark (dibra) 21:11, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
- Right now, the lower estimate is being used for South Sudan (6,383-40,000+ in 2014) and is always used as sortable number. Since the sorting feature of the table orders conflicts on the basis of the lower estimate of fatalities, it would be logic, in my opinion, to classify them on the basis of the lower estimate, too. Nykterinos (talk) 09:05, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks - in my experience we actually use the upper threshold. I agree this is something to discuss - because often the numbers differ greatly.GreyShark (dibra) 21:16, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
- I see you've moved the conflict to the "more than 1,000 fatalities" section, but we usually use the lower estimate of fatalities to classify a conflict (see, for example, South Sudan, which provoked more than 10,000 deaths last year according to the higher estimate). Anyway, thanks for including the claims of both parties to the conflict: the Turkish government figure for PKK fatalities seems very high, and could be inflated for obvious reasons. Nykterinos (talk) 22:35, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
- The conflict has just surpassed 1000 fatalities: 918 Kurds, 60 Turks, another 15 civilians (Turks & Kurds) + 7 tonight; 9 more had been killed prior to July escalation.GreyShark (dibra) 04:31, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
Turkey should be red. Turkey had more than 1000 fatalities due to Turkey-PKK conflict this year.SVG file needs editing.Kgkadd (talk) 22:58, 10 September 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kgkadd (talk • contribs) 11:04, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
- Comment - @Wykx: - updated fatalities of Turkey-PKK conflict due to new releases from Turkey and PKK: we are certainly above 1,000 in both versions now.GreyShark (dibra) 18:40, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- Comment - @Wykx: i saw your last update, which included downgrading the conflict and though we are friends, i have some criticism: apparently you made a typical statistic evaluation mistake by counting Cmin=Amin+Bmin; Cmax=Amax+Bmax (mixing up Turkish and PKK evaluations). The lowest estimate cannot be the low estimate of Turks plus the low estimate of PKK, because the combined numbers are quite similar: PKK claim about 1,000 killed not including civilians, whereas Turks claim ~2,000 dead total - the total is hence similar, but the composition rebels/military/civilians is varying. There was a similar case with Israel-Gaza conflict, when Israel and Hamas claimed different militant/civilian ratios, but the totals were quite similar. Therefore, we cannot say that the minimal casualty estimate is 130+100+26=256, but the minimum of totals from Turkish side or PKK (plus civilians counted by HDP, since PKK don't publish civilian deaths) side - min(2165,1147).GreyShark (dibra) 19:09, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
- In this conflict each party seems very prompt to claim the attacks done by the other side. Maybe it is more true for the civilians deathtoll than for the militants where it would mean recognizing that they are loosing forces. Anadolu agency is an pro-Turkish regime newsagency and its latest figures [1] mentions "only" 260 PKK rebels killed, which is widely under the government claims. That's why I tend to disagree with figures over 1000. I think now we can consider reasonably 9 (before 20 July) + 260 PKK rebels + 130 security forces + 35 civilians (Anadolu agency for those figures) + 95 civilians today = 529 in total Wykx (talk) 23:21, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Wykx: First of all, thank you for the reply and good faith, i really think you are a great editor. Regarding your source on 260 PKK casualties [2] - it is outdated (it is from August 2nd), so it makes sense that there were 260 PKK killed in the first 9 days of strikes, but it is not relevant now. You can check the date of your source yourself.GreyShark (dibra) 06:34, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Greyshark09: Ok point taken. I hope independant sources such as NGOs will help in the future to refine figures for that conflict. And don't hesitate to continue to challenge, it is sometimes difficult to tackle the huge volume of contradictory informations! Wykx (talk) 11:05, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Wykx: First of all, thank you for the reply and good faith, i really think you are a great editor. Regarding your source on 260 PKK casualties [2] - it is outdated (it is from August 2nd), so it makes sense that there were 260 PKK killed in the first 9 days of strikes, but it is not relevant now. You can check the date of your source yourself.GreyShark (dibra) 06:34, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- Comment - by the way, do we include the recent Ankara bombing in the PKK rebellion deathtoll ? I have mixed feelings about this - on one hand it was related with the conflict; on another it was likely done by a third party (ISIL sympathizers). Wdyt?GreyShark (dibra) 17:27, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
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- @Greyshark09: The 2015 Suruç bombing has got the same status and was included because it triggered the conflict even if maybe driven by a third party. It may happen that this new bombings will have impact in the Turkey-PKK conflict anyway and are clearly a manipulation of this conflict. Wykx (talk) 18:01, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- So far i have not included the Suruc bombing and the Ankara bombing casualties within the PKK rebellion death toll (neither here nor at the 2015 PKK rebellion page).GreyShark (dibra) 18:08, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Greyshark09: The 2015 Suruç bombing has got the same status and was included because it triggered the conflict even if maybe driven by a third party. It may happen that this new bombings will have impact in the Turkey-PKK conflict anyway and are clearly a manipulation of this conflict. Wykx (talk) 18:01, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
September 2015[edit]
Conflict in Tajikstan[edit]
Islamist fighters linked to dismissed deputy defense minister General Abduhalim Nazarzoda attacked government forces near the capital of Tajikstan today, so far 17 people have been killed. It could be the start of a new armed conflict in the country. See here [[3]].XavierGreen (talk) 16:58, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
- Interesting, can you add it to the incubator watch list?GreyShark (dibra) 21:54, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
- Firefights between the renegadge generals forces and the government continue. So far at least 30 have been killed, and 70 rebels captured. See here: http://www.globalpost.com/article/6646685/2015/09/10/four-more-militants-killed-tajikistan-violence XavierGreen (talk) 19:06, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
- Casualties are now up to 38 killed, however the leader of the rebels has been killed in action, and it seems likely that the violence will die down. [[4]]XavierGreen (talk) 12:54, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
- Fatalities are now up to 47 killed. [[[5]]XavierGreen (talk) 12:26, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
Time of Israel-arab conflict[edit]
It didn't start at 1948. there were Arab attacks on Jews in the Land of Israel long before (i.e. 1929 Hebron massacre)--95.86.82.214 (talk) 20:13, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
- The listing is only for Palestinian conflict (with PLO and later Hamas), which began in 1964. The earlier are the general Arab-Israeli conflict (mainly 1948-73) and preceding Sectarian conflict in Mandatory Palestine (1920-1948). Those are not exactly continuous however, as the organizations and the states changed significantly over time. GreyShark (dibra) 21:52, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
- Technically you can claim it started in 1929 since this traditionally mark the beginigs of the conflict (No need for source because:) but we are reffering to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict which is different then the Intercommunal violence in Mandatory Palestine since the Jews and the Arabs fought against each other but also fought against the brits and sometimes sided with the brits agaisnt the other party while the brits generally fought both groups. --Bolter21 13:05, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
Deaths by country: Egypt[edit]
@Wykx:: In the “deaths by country” table, the data for Egypt in 2013 and 2014 are not comparable, since the former include the whole country (e.g. the Rabaa massacre), the latter only the Sinai insurgency (1,415 are the fatalities in the whole country in 2014). Since you added Egypt to the table, I changed the 2014 figure to include the whole country as in 2013. In my opinion it makes sense, because this table lists deaths “by country”, not by conflict. However, if we want to list only the Sinai insurgency in this table, too, we can drop Egypt for 2014 (it’s less than 1,000 deaths) and list only the Sinai insurgency death toll for 2013 (if it’s more than 643).Nykterinos (talk) 13:08, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
- Hi @Nykterios:, the point is that Protests in Egypt had not been recognized as a "conflict" if I refer to the previous discussion [[6]]. Even if I was not part of the discussion at that time and maybe I would oppose that today, I'm looking for consistency. Therefore, whether we remove Egypt from 2013 and also remove Egypt from the list "over 1000 deaths by country" in 2014, whether we reconsider the position by consensus and include Egyptian protests in 2014 for the whole article. I would be interested to obtain points of view of those who were active at that time. Wykx (talk) 13:25, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
- I checked ACLED data: deaths in the Sinai in 2013 were 435, so, if we include only the Sinai insurgency in the "deaths by country" section, too, Egypt must be removed from the table both in 2013 and in 2014. Nykterinos (talk) 13:52, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
- Indeed, let's do that... Could you correct the graph accordingly? Thanks Wykx (talk) 14:11, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
- I can, but I'm not convinced Egypt should be removed. In the last discussion we had about the Egyptian unrest back in February, it was agreed that there is an armed conflict in mainland Egypt, too, but we didn't have a proper article to link. Besides, there is still uncertainty about listing violent unrests: for example, if we list the 2015 Burundian unrest, the Post-coup unrest in Egypt (2013–14) should definitely be listed, too. This unrest is considered an armed conflict, at least to some extent, by Project Ploughshares, CSP and UCDP. Therefore, in my opinion, at least in the "deaths by country" section, where we don't have to link specific conflicts, deaths for the whole country as assessed by ACLED should be listed. Pinging @Greyshark09: @DylanLacey: @Fitzcarmalan: to see what they think. Nykterinos (talk) 11:02, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
- There is certainly a conflict in mainland Egypt (outside of Sinai). We should have an article on that i guess.GreyShark (dibra) 18:39, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, to me it is this one: Post-coup unrest in Egypt (2013–14) Wykx (talk) 22:27, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- There is certainly a conflict in mainland Egypt (outside of Sinai). We should have an article on that i guess.GreyShark (dibra) 18:39, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- I can, but I'm not convinced Egypt should be removed. In the last discussion we had about the Egyptian unrest back in February, it was agreed that there is an armed conflict in mainland Egypt, too, but we didn't have a proper article to link. Besides, there is still uncertainty about listing violent unrests: for example, if we list the 2015 Burundian unrest, the Post-coup unrest in Egypt (2013–14) should definitely be listed, too. This unrest is considered an armed conflict, at least to some extent, by Project Ploughshares, CSP and UCDP. Therefore, in my opinion, at least in the "deaths by country" section, where we don't have to link specific conflicts, deaths for the whole country as assessed by ACLED should be listed. Pinging @Greyshark09: @DylanLacey: @Fitzcarmalan: to see what they think. Nykterinos (talk) 11:02, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
October 2015[edit]
Paraguayan People's Army Insurgency[edit]
Why the Paraguayan People's Army Insurgency was removed from the "list of ongoing armed conflicts" article if the conflict is still ongoing and there have been reports of people killed related to the insurgency this year and the previous one — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.69.108.165 (talk) 23:04, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
- The total number of persons killed of this conflict (it seems around 60) is under 100 which is the threshhold to be included in this list. Wykx (talk) 08:46, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
Israeli-Palestinian conflict[edit]
I have a strange observation that every single casualty is listed in that conflict, resulting in about one half of the updates on this page being on this basis, even though this is one of the least active conflicts today in the world. We have a total estimate from some sources on this conflict, while some other conflicts indeed require a more frequent updating.GreyShark (dibra) 09:33, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
m8 that's our problem, B'tselem havent updated their casualties list since 31 August and since then there were some 40 casualties in different incidents --Bolter21 15:45, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
I can't do it myself, please investigate on 4 attacks that occured today in Israel Jerusalem, as far as I know, 3 Jews were killed but I am not sure about how many Arabs. One man died yesterday in Pisgat Ze'ev, Jerusalem in a knife incident, another one died in gun stealing attmempt in Jerusalem, on man died in Hadasa ein Karem hospital after being involved in one of the attacks. So to sum up, since yesterday I know that at least 6 people should be added, if you can, search for sources. --Bolter21 11:29, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
- That is exactly my point - most of your edits deal with 3 people killed, while in other conflicts thousands die in one day. There is a serious emphasis problem here. Perhaps an obsession.GreyShark (dibra) 17:31, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
- Not an obsession, I contribute wikipedia with what I know and I read the news everyday, my news are in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. There is no reason to critisize me if you have a lack of editors with knowlege on other conflicts. I reduced the number of source with another source I found today from yesterday. --Bolter21 15:11, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
- And although you asked me in such an impolite way, I"ve decided to edit other things too, so don't whine on a legitimate contribution because you think I can do more. All the casualties of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will be listed here and I will guarantee it. --Bolter21 15:37, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oh i will whine! I'm afraid however, the Israelis and Palestinians are not going to provide you with much news, unlike their more violent neighbours in the Mid-East, so you might get bored at some point and begin a table of flustrated Israelis and Palestinians in this low-level conflict.GreyShark (dibra) 19:06, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
- So indeed you are critisizing me for contributing what I know? You are the one with two barnstars for the Syrian Civil war, not me. And I have yet to fully understand how to use this ACLED source --Bolter21 07:44, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
- Bolter, the initial comment of mine was not intended for you alone. I think you are taking it too personally. I sincerely hope you would contribute as good as you have already done and not only in one conflict. Thumbs up.GreyShark (dibra) 11:28, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
- Alright, I just couldn't stand a any sort of critic to this spesific edits. Maybe the words "Perhaps an obsession" made me feel that way. Anyway I started taking intrest in the other conflicts too, I wasn't aware to the update problem. --Bolter21 15:33, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
- Bolter, the initial comment of mine was not intended for you alone. I think you are taking it too personally. I sincerely hope you would contribute as good as you have already done and not only in one conflict. Thumbs up.GreyShark (dibra) 11:28, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
- So indeed you are critisizing me for contributing what I know? You are the one with two barnstars for the Syrian Civil war, not me. And I have yet to fully understand how to use this ACLED source --Bolter21 07:44, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oh i will whine! I'm afraid however, the Israelis and Palestinians are not going to provide you with much news, unlike their more violent neighbours in the Mid-East, so you might get bored at some point and begin a table of flustrated Israelis and Palestinians in this low-level conflict.GreyShark (dibra) 19:06, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
- The principle of Wikipedia is that each person can contribute in its own domain of expertise, there are some very specific pages which are constantly updated and up-to-date in fields that matter to a very few so I don't see the point to be up-to-date. Moreover the information seems more accurate on Israel-Palestine because a lot of media are covering this conflict contrary to Afghanistan (conflict #2) for example. Wykx (talk) 07:56, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
Katanga insurgency[edit]
I'm afraid we are missing the death toll there. Anyone can take a responsibility to update it?GreyShark (dibra) 19:09, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
- According to ACLED, there is no death this year in Katanga. It can be explained indeed because on 6 January 2015 the leader of the FDLR rebels had been arrested. Moreover the situation with the Mai-Mai has improved a lot. The conflict is only still active in the South Kivu province which is listed here separately even if some of the actors are the same. Wykx (talk) 20:37, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
Chiapas conflict[edit]
As it seems, the conflict is not ongoing. The last three incidents happened in 2014, 2011 and 2008. see Chiapas conflict. I"ve searched in the web to see if there is any source who say or implying this is ongoing but I couldn't find one. --Bolter21 07:48, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
- Considering there was one person killed in 2014, it is still eligible for the list, but next year hopefully, we should be able to remove it. Wykx (talk) 07:53, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
- We shall remove it at the end of December in accordance with the policy of this list article.GreyShark (dibra) 11:25, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
Iraq conflict casualties[edit]
@Nykterinos: I'm not sure about this 1,000,000 figure for the Iraq conflict - i think it is a rough estimate of casualties in some survey study, not really relying on actual fatality numbers.GreyShark (dibra) 19:54, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- I cited the most updated study (March 2015) by the IPPNW, which takes into account all previous studies also detailed in the Casualties of the Iraq War article. 224,000 is the lowest figure by IBC including only documented direct deaths, whereas the higher figure (1,000,000) also includes excess deaths, which need to be assessed through mortality surveys. Nykterinos (talk) 20:00, 17 October 2015 (UTC)