Talk:List of people with hepatitis C
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- 1 Possible additions
- 2 Christopher Lawford
- 3 Reference section
- 4 Larry Hagman
- 5 Kansas City article
- 6 Two possible additions
- 7 Natalie Cole
- 8 Re-structuring
- 9 "Possible" names (or rejects)
- 10 Lead image
- 11 New lead
- 12 Image copyright problem with Image:Freddy44.jpg
- 13 Possible additions (2008)
- 14 Influence
- 15 2009 additions
- 16 More possibilities
- 17 still more possibilities
- 18 Ken Watanabe
|Please consider adding new possible additions to the section below, "Possible additions (2015)". (But follow ups to items here still belong here.) That way, this section will get archived away eventually, the outdated material won't remain here forever, and the length of this section won't grow without limit. Thank you. —Danorton (talk) 03:39, 11 October 2008 (UTC)|
I checked the first 200 "What links here" entries at Hepatitis C. Following are the biographies that list diagnosis. I'm a little hesitant about some of these because they weren't all documentable and some of these people are living. We should probably delete the unverifiable diagnoses per WP:BIO and refactor this page, but I thought I'd put this up for discussion temporarily. Sourced names should be fine to add to the list. Durova 02:21, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
- Rio Reiser - WP bio states he probably died of Hepatitis C. I haven't been able to confirm this through a reliable source.
- I wasn't able to find anything, either.
- Luis Ocaña - same as Rio Reiser.
- Same for me, too.
- Egon von Fürstenberg - same as Rio Reiser.
- There are all kinds of sources about his death, but they all decline to give the cause.
- I will go through more of this list as I have the time. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 18:18, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
- Already on list.
- No, sorry, it does not. It constitutes a WP:SPS, so I don't think we should use it. My own searches of reliable sources only state his death from AIDS, and not from complications from Hep C.
- Mike Tetrault - Another borderline reference: his official website confirms the diagnosis by quoting the Wikipedia biography. 
- There's nothing borderline about it; it's not reliable. Plus, it looks like there's no longer a WP article about him.
- Already added.
- Neil Hawke - same as Rio Reiser.
- There are a few sources, but none of them mention Hep C.
- On list.
- On list.
I have forgotten how to *do this* Another person you might want to consider adding is:
Rocky Aoki, founder of the Benihana restaurant chain, ... who himself suffers from Hepatitis C,
- I added this name myself, last night.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9505EEDC173DF930A15750C0A9669C8B63 —Preceding unsigned comment added by PeachStatePam (talk • contribs) 04:30, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Also another person who talks openly about his Hep C is: Gary S Paxton (http://www.garyspaxton.net/ ) He produced The Monster Mash, formed the Hollywood Argyles that sang Alley Oop and he won a grammy for another song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PeachStatePam (talk • contribs) 05:07, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Not able to find anything, not even his WP article mentions anything.
05:16, 24 November 2007 (UTC)~ Also Kenneth Zebrowski: It's been called a silent epidemic, and now it has claimed a high-profile local victim. Rockland County Assemblyman Kenneth Zebrowski died Sunday after a long battle with Hepatitis C.
http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071120/OPINION/711200312/1151 PeachStatePam (talk) 05:16, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- The above sources aren't reliable.
I promise to go to bed shortly Colin. I just feel it is very important to keep this list up to date as people don't realize that 5 million are infected with Hepatitis C (vs. 1 million with HIV) in the U.S. 4 million don't know it yet. Reading this list helps get out the message to GET TESTED!
Some others are:
Ray Charles In 2003 he told me that he had been diagnosed with alcoholic liver disease and hepatitis C. http://slate.com/id/2108507/
- After reading it, I don't trust the Slate article as a source. There's nothing reliable that supports it, anyway.
- Ah ha--found one! Although--man, do I hate adding names to this list!
- Was able to list this one as well. Will continue with the list at a later time. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 05:54, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Michael Davis (MC5) info can also be found at http://www.davis-kramer-thompson.com/pressrelease/HepC_PR1.pdf plus his OWN blog spot that was submitted by someone much earlier. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PeachStatePam (talk • contribs) 06:21, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry again.
Going to bed now but first:
Dharmachari Aryadaka, 55, first Buddhist chaplain in state's prisons http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=aryadakaobit15e&date=20031015
- This was a reliable source, so I added the name with it.
Ray Benson (Asleep at the Wheel) http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Issue/story?oid=oid:422659
Randy "Biscuit" Turner http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Issue/story?oid=oid:422659
- The above source has a couple of names, so I went ahead and added the notable ones. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 05:49, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Peter Coyote http://www.petercoyote.com/hightimes104.html
- He says in one interview that his long period of drug use resulted in messing up his liver, but doesn't say that it's hep C.
- No luck.
- This one works. What a great story!
- Another good one, thanks.
Michael Morra aka Rockets Redglare http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20010616/ai_n14392692
- Already on list.
Chuck Negron http://www.tntbooking.com/bios/chuck_negron.htm
- Found his book instead.
Rocco Prestia http://www.videoprogressions.com/p1_reviews.php
- Again, nothing.
- Doesn't even have a WP article.
- No luck.
Tony Scalzo, Tary Owens, Jesse Taylor, TJ MacFarland, Danny Crooks, Sara Elizabeth Campbell, and Al Ragle are musicians mentioned in this article too......... http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Issue/story?oid=oid:422659 —Preceding unsigned comment added by PeachStatePam (talk • contribs) 07:28, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Already looked at this article.
Sorry.... and I know I have more of them. Maybe we should email directly? I can supply you with my addy.
Penny Arcade aka Susana Carmen Ventura http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_127/artisttakeson.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by PeachStatePam (talk • contribs) 07:38, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Added, already.
You also need to add Natalie Cole, daughter of Nat King Cole. There are about 100 links to stories right now. Here is one: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jAdavpEOtnwONtpOSAv4qaFTQvXAD91USTHO1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by PeachStatePam (talk • contribs) 00:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
You are missing Christopher Kennedy Lawford who speaks publicly and openly about having Hepatitis C, treating it, and *clearing* it. I don't know anyone that uses the word *cure* quite yet. The disease is still very *new* and sometimes the virus comes back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PeachStatePam (talk • contribs) 2007-02-23
Possibly the newsman Frank Reynolds as well. You might want to check out http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=102891848 He is keeping a list too but I can't seem to keep two windows open to compare. Sorry. Keep up the good work though! This is an important list! :-)
This needs work. I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't cleaned up, it'd be slated for deletion again. Part of the problem is that it uses the most complicated version of the Cite.php citation mechanism (see ), making it easy to break links and hard to edit and add. I'll also, just for the heck of it, check the links' reliability. Figureskatingfan 04:32, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
- I'm a bit puzzled about what was wrong with the references section. What was complicated about the refs that is less complicated now? The main complication I can see was the technique of naming a ref so it can be reused (which isn't required if it isn't reused). I've re-wikilinked the dates so they format US/UK style per the reader's preferences.
- The main issue I had with the older sources was over-reliance on the Kansas City article: "Celebrities with Hepatitis C". I distrust such lists since they are often not sourced themselves, and usually too willing to include based on rumour. It appears the old hyperlink was dead, and a new link is here.
- Perhaps it's a preference issue, but personally, I believe that my change is less complicated. When I started the edit, the links were broken, probably (IMO) because the original format was so complicated. I believe that this way is also easier to add things to and change. So it's an aesthetics issue, really.
- I had trouble with the KC article, too. That's why I deleted it. Thanks for the link, but I continue to have difficulty with their list for the same reason--it's just a list, without any mention of how it was researched. It's just as likely to be based on rumor as the list used to be here. I'm a real stickler for verifiability, so I used a strict criteria--when possible, reliable newspapers and magazines, or at least interviews with the people mentioned. I think we need to be extra cautious with this list, for obvious reasons.--Figureskatingfan 04:40, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
I've removed Hagman from the list because although I found lots of reliable articles about his liver transplant, the only solid references I've found re: his HVC status are in articles about Stephen Tyler, where they say something like, "Tyler has joined celebrities like Pamela Anderson, Naomi Judd, and Larry Hagman..." There are also articles about how celebrities like Hagman "buy" their liver transplants, but nothing about why he had to have one (other than his alcoholism). If anyone else can find something out there about it, please add it back in. Figureskatingfan 04:48, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Kansas City article
In spite of my "problems" with the KC article, as previously stated, I think that it should be at least mentioned here. Therefore, I added a new section, "See Also," and I cited it, along with the needed disclaimer. While I was at it, I divided the article up so that it's easier to read. Maybe, when &/or if the list grows (hopefully not, since it means more people becoming ill), we can divide the list into sections (i.e., A-C, etc). --Figureskatingfan 05:05, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- I've reformatted those changes a little in keeping with the Manual of Style. WP articles don't have Introductions. The See also section is for internal links. I've rephrased the external link to avoid self refs. I agree sections will be necessary if/when the list grows. There are several Featured lists that serve as examples, of which List of polio survivors is the most recently promoted. Most have chosen to group by notable occupation rather than alphabetically. BTW, the reason this list is short isn't because not many people have Hep C. Colin°Talk 06:26, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Two possible additions
Can I suggest actor Ken Watanabe (Batman Begins, Memoirs of a Geisha) and MC5 bassist Michael Davis?
Watanabe discusses living with hepatitis C in his book "Who Am I" http://hogacentral.blogs.com/hoganews/2006/05/ken_watanabe_fi.html
Davis keeps a blog discussing his treatment here http://svengirly.blogspot.com/2005_06_19_archive.html
I would add them myself but don't trust myself not too stuff up the table formatting!
RDR17 05:37, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
- I don't see why not, but I'm afraid the sources you name aren't reliable. I'll go do a couple of Google searches! --Figureskatingfan 15:51, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
- I was able to find a source for Watanabe, so I went ahead and added him to the list. Sorry, nothing for Davis, though. --Figureskatingfan 16:26, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for adding Ken Watanabe. On the official Davis/Kramer/Thompson (the reunited MC5) website, there's a press release detailing involvement in a hepatitis C telethon, which makes mention of Davis and living with hepatitis C. Its available here http://www.davis-kramer-thompson.com/index.cfm?pg=press. Hope that helps, cheers RDR17 23:09, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Natalie Cole released a statement saying that she now has Hep C, possibly due to her past drug abuse.
--220.127.116.11 (talk) 01:00, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks, I've added her to the list. Man, it was not fun. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 03:48, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Tonight I have restructured this article. Like similar lists (List of poliomyelitis survivors and List of HIV-positive people, both of which are FLs), I've divided the list into categories. I've also tried to move the images to their correct categories, but it obviously needs more attention on its layout. It's late, so I'll take care of it at another time.
I think that this article has the potential to become a featured list. It still needs some work, of course. The entries could use a peer review and copyedit. The lead also needs to be expanded. Once these tasks are accomplished, I'm going to throw it into the FL process and see what folks say about its length. It may need to be longer before it can become an FL, but I'd like to get additional feedback about it. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 06:05, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- Okay, so I deleted several images, as per the recommendations in this discussion . The main reason it was done on List of poliomyelitis survivors was to decrease the page's loading time; I think it's a good recommendation to follow here, even if this article is shorter. It could become an issue as the list grows, I'm sure. At this point, it also solves the above-mentioned problem. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 04:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
"Possible" names (or rejects)
I thought I'd create a list of all names that were rejected for this list, so that they'd all be in the same place. These names have been suggested, but weren't added due to a lack of reliable sources. They should be added as sources are discovered.
Egon von Fürstenberg
Herbert de Souza
Gary S. Paxton
--Figureskatingfan (talk) 15:36, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I've been thinking about expanding the lead, and looking at the other FLs previously mentioned, and considering what image to use. The other FLs use images of people (Itzhak Perlman, Ryan White), but due to the stigma attached to hep C, I'm not so sure that's a good idea. If we were to use a fair use image of someone with hep C, I think the most respectful thing to do is to use someone who's active in hep C advocacy, like Naomi Judd or David Marks. The problem with that, however, is that there are simply no fair use images of them or of anyone else who advocates for hep C. Perhaps the solution, then, is to include an image of something else. Before that decision is made, however, the lead should be expanded first. If someone else has an idea, please share. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 05:48, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
So I have completed the re-write of the new lead. It basically says what the old lead did, but has been expanded. I have also included an image of the human liver, as per the above discussion. Feedback is welcomed. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 07:05, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Image copyright problem with Image:Freddy44.jpg
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- That there is a non-free use rationale on the image's description page for the use in this article.
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Possible additions (2008)
|After December 31, 2008, please create a new section "Possible additions (2009)" and make new additions there. (But follow ups to items here still belong here.) That way, this section will get archived away eventually, the outdated comments won't remain forever, and the length of this section won't grow without limit.|
- Katharine Hepburn - Developed an "eye infection" after (deliberately) falling into a (sewage) canal while shooting Summertime in 1953. Some reports indicate that it troubled her for "months", but in a Dick Cavett interview in 1973, she said "I've had the eye infection ever since." At least one research study reports that "[d]ry eye syndrome represents the most common ocular symptom of hepatitis C virus infection." —Danorton (talk) 03:34, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
I realize that this has nothing to do with the editing process of this list, but since it directly addresses some of the concerns addressed during the FLC process, I thought I'd include it here. For example, one concern was that this list wasn't notable enough. The argument against that (made by me) was that since hep C is a relatively "new" disease and since there's a strong stigma attached to the disease, the list is never going to be comprehensive. This also explains its length and lack of depth. Those of us who have worked on this list have always maintained that the potential societal benefit of this list (i.e., getting the word out about the importance of testing) makes it notable.
I recently received an e-mail from my pal and fellow editor, PeachStatePam, who informed me of the good that's already been done by this list. Here's what she reported:
I also wanted to share that I have a friend in Vancouver who is working tirelessly trying to get a Hep C concert planned for next year - much like a Farm Aid, etc. She owned the biggest nightclub in Vancouver for over 20 years and has all kinds of musical contacts. She was talking to a promoter and trying to "convince" him what an epidemic this was and how many celebs have it and so she told him to google the Wikipedia page. He was flabbergasted at the amount of names there!! Thanks again for all your help with that page! It has come in very handy on MANY occasions.
So if this concert/fundraiser becomes a reality, and there are some news reports written about it, it'll be reported on here, since this list (and its featured status) will be directly responsible for it. I also believe that this could be Signpost-worthy. For all the talk of the positive influence Wikipedia has on the world, especially during the current fundraising drive of this project, this is a specific case of a list doing some good. As a tireless editor of this list, it makes me very proud to be part of the WP community. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 17:48, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
- Danny Galindo, member of 13th Floor Elevators. Died of complications of hepatitis C in 2001.
- Criston Barker http://www.cristonbarker.com.au/bio.htm
- Brandon Novak, skateboarder. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 17:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
- Benito Abeytia, civil-rights activist. Also suggested by Pam; strong possibility for creation of a new article.  --Figureskatingfan (talk) 23:34, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
- Billy Graham (wrestler) - added 6/1/09. --Christine (talk) 05:27, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Willy DeVille - added 8/11.
- Bridget McCole - Irish activist. Suggested by User:Jaayo. --Christine (talk) 04:39, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
- George D. Henderson - New Zealand pop rocker, and founding member of The Puddle.
- Added by Mr. Henderson himself. I removed it because its inclusion doesn't follow the requirements for inclusion as described on this talk page. I was able to find a reliable source about Mr. Henderson , but neither he or his band, The Puddle, has an article. Re-including this entry, then, would require that an article is written about Mr. Henderson, something I may do myself, depending upon real-life busyness and other WP-stuff going on. --Christine (talk) 12:42, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
New section for possible additions late in the history of this list:
- Uncle John Turner, 1944–2007 - Blues musician and one of the founders of the blues-rock style of drumming. Needs to have an article created before re-adding to list. Christine (talk) 12:10, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
- Francisco Varela, 1947–2001 - Biologist and philosopher, best known for introducing the concept of autopoiesis to biology. (Dead link, couldn't find a replacement. Image also available.) Christine (talk) 17:07, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
- Sean Waltman, 1972–
- Devon Nicholson, 1982–
- CATM NCOIC New England, 2013– — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrsmith010 (talk • contribs) 18:32, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- The above two are professional wrestlers. Not able to find reliable sources. It seems that Hep C is a big problem in the pro wrestling community, but it doesn't seem to be reported in the mainstream press. If anyone can find a reliable source about these and other wrestlers, that would be helpful. Christine (talk) 17:35, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
An anonymous IP added an entry for Waltman, but I reverted it because the sources were unreliable. I did a short goggle search for more reliable sources, but was unable to find anything. Here's the entry, for future reference:
- American Professional Wrestler best known as X-Pac in the stable D-Generation X and as Syxx in the New World Order stable. Waltman was scheduled for a tag team match at Lockdown, but was absent from the event and was replaced by Nash. It was later reported that Waltman had let TNA know days in advance that he was not cleared to wrestle by the Missouri State Commission due to his hepatitis C diagnosis and was not going to be able to attend the event..
still more possibilities
- List of people with herpes would obviously have greater value.
That half-line blurb on the Daily Mail (seriously) is not nearly enough sourcing for inclusion in a list like this. Best to find a more reliable source with some more solid information. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 00:50, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
- Caldwell, James (2010-04-18). "Caldwell's TNA Lockdown Results 4/18: Ongoing "virtual time" coverage of PPV - Styles vs. The Pope, Team Hogan vs. Team Flair, Angle vs. Anderson". Pro Wrestling Torch. Retrieved 2010-04-18.
- Johnson, Mike (2010-04-19). "Sean Waltman-TNA update". Pro Wrestling Insider. Retrieved 2010-04-20.
- Caldwell, James (2010-04-19). "TNA News: Back-story on Sean Waltman missing Sunday night's Lockdown PPV". Pro Wrestling Torch. Retrieved 2010-04-21.
- Alvarez, Bryan (2010-05-28). "Fri update: Weekend notes, Smackdown, MMA gruesome murder, X-Pac health woes, more". Wrestling Observer Newsletter. Retrieved 2010-05-29.
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