Talk:List of supercentenarians from the United States

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Why is 112 Significant[edit]

Why is it significant to have a chart of persons from the United States who have reached the age of 112? Why not 111 or 113? Kona1611 (talk) 03:51, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Carrie C. White[edit]

I have located a picture of her in an old newspaper here: http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=CwYSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ReoDAAAAIBAJ&pg=2056,4754988&dq=carrie+white+116&hl=en --Nick Ornstein (talk) 00:57, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Daisey Bailey[edit]

After the death of Mary Josephine Ray, Daisey Bailey was the oldest American. As she died later that day it was just for a couple of hours, but I think she should be placed in the list after Ms. Ray and before Neva Morris. Guidje —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.159.72.206 (talk) 09:27, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

No, she should not be added to the list. Why? Look at this:
  • Mary Josephine Ray - born May 17, 1895, died March 7, 2010
  • Neva Morris - born August 3, 1895, died April 6, 2010
  • Daisey Bailey - born March 30, 1896, died March 7, 2010

Bailey never was the oldest living American. Morris was still alive at the time and was older than Bailey, so she took the title from Mary Josephine Ray without dispute. BrendanologyContriB 08:42, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Oldest Oklahomans[edit]

Here: [1] has an article on a man named Ruben Hopper of Oklahoma. He was born on August 13, 1903 in the state. Hopper is now 106. News OK says he is close to being Oklahomas oldest resident. In the article, it mentions possibly the 2nd oldest Oklahoman resident: Daisy Blackbird, who was born on January 18, 1902, age 108. Nowhere in the article is Martha Berryhill (oldest known OK resident) mentioned.

Also: Hopper married his wife in 1924, and she died a few years ago. So they can go on the List of people with the longest marriages page.

According to the SSDI, Velma (Jones) Hopper (13 May 1907 - 15 March 2006) was 98, same as the article states. The couple were married for 81/82 years. --Nick Ornstein (talk) 18:22, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Puerto Rico[edit]

Should't Puerto Rican supercentenarians (such as Emliano Mercado del toro) be included in these lists? While it isn't a State, Puerto Rico is a territory of the United States and shouldn't be excluded.Tim198 (talk) 21:43, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Merge proposal[edit]

Please see Talk:List of American supercentenarians#Merge proposal and keep the discussion over there, in one place. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 11:32, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Race[edit]

As a person who visited this article for the first time, I saw the "race" column and saw an "I" in it. I have no idea what this stands for and I assume I'm not the only reader who has asked that question. Perhaps a key of some sort is useful? I'll leave that to those who maintain this list, just thought they might like my perspective. Chris M. (talk) 16:58, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

She is Native American. I suppose someone put "I" for "Indian."Ryoung122 06:29, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Top 100 or Top 150?[edit]

Greetings, the UK and French lists go beyond the top 100 cases all-time. Shouldn't the USA list at least go to top 150 or perhaps 112+? The extra info. can be "hidden" so only those who wish to see the "full" list will see it.

Ryoung122 06:32, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Immigrant records[edit]

One has to be the "oldest" to be the recordholder, right?Ryoung122 07:43, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Greetings,

There are two issues here:

1. The US State records table should only list "recordholders" or those who would be recordholders is an alternate system of reckoning is used (i.e., immigrants included). Thus, cases such as Amalia Barone wouldn't count, because her age is younger than Mary Bidwell, the Connecticut state recordholder.

2. If someone wants to list immigrants after the US main list of 150+ cases (112+), that would be appropriate...but the same age cutoff should be used. Thus, Amalia Barone could go there, but not those under 112. Why should we list people younger than 112 if they are born outside the U.S., but not if they are born in the U.S.?Ryoung122 07:54, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

We shouldn't need the immigrant records; it is suppose to be "oldest born" in a state. We should just remove the Immigrant records section; this is the only page that does it like that.
It's like saying Wilhelmina Kott, the oldest born in the state of Illinois, is 2nd oldest behind Carrie Lazenby, who was the oldest to live in the state. --Nick Ornstein (talk) 13:58, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
Aside from the fact that the GRG lists immigrant records, I think your editing is not well-thought-through. Part of Wiki-policy is pluralism, or the idea that multiple major viewpoints must be respected. That means that Wikipedia is not "winner take all." That's why we list addenda-lists for disputed cases. It allows the viewer/reader to decide.

Personally, a third list could be added: U.S. state records by place of death or last residence. I think the listing of just the 3 international immigrants takes up less space than a revamped place-of-death or last residence list. For example, Delma Kollar would be listed twice, both as the oldest person born in Kansas and the oldest resident of Oregon. But someone like Mary Josephine Ray would be listed only once.

Also, this "article section" was once its own article. Considering that about 53% of all verified supercentenarian cases are Americans (USAeans), I think it is quite unfair to treat each nation exactly the same. In fact, we don't...there's no list of oldest living persons from Nauru. We see even the Russia page was challenged as not being functionally needed. So if functionality, not nationalism, is the rule here, then I think we can functionally break this article into smaller pieces (un-merge) like it was.76.17.118.157 (talk) 23:21, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Listing of overall U.S. supercentenarians[edit]

Wouldn't it be easier if we were to keep the top 50 U.S. supercentenarians, rather than 112+? Similar to List of European supercentenarians. --Nick Ornstein (talk) 16:38, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

The U.S. is not a continent, it's a nation.

I suggest you could make a "List of North American supercentenarians," to be fair. Canada has 30+ cases, and there are a few cases from the Caribbean, even Mexico.

On the other hand, we have more than 100 cases listed for the UK and France lists. So, why should we have just 50 cases for the U.S.? Or even top 100, if the other nations are exceeding 100?

Ryoung122 00:21, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles to Un-Merge, International Immigrant Records, and "One size does not fit all."[edit]

Greetings,

Wikipedia is NOT paper...if this article is too large, it's because several articles were merged into one.

Form should follow function...we don't have an article "list of Antigua supercentenarians" because there have been no verified supercentenarians from there, and not even claims, to my knowledge. The point is, there's no need to artificially hold the United States to the same standard as all the other countries...since there is no one standard. Whether there's an article, or not, is dependent on whether there is sufficient sourcing and material to make an article.

The United States currently has about half of the verified supercentenarians, worldwide. That's more than enough justification for splitting this article into the three articles it was originally...perhaps into two.

In particular, the "state records" section could be split out.

Now, on to the main point: why should we have an international immigrant record section?

1. All persons born in the U.S. can qualify for one of the 50 state records (or D.C. record) but an immigrant could never qualify because, by definition, they were born elsewhere. Therefore, it makes sense to have an "addenda" that lists records such as Ito Konno Kinase, 113, of Hawaii.

Wikipedia's policies support listing multiple major viewpoints. One viewpoint is that records should be by place of birth; another is that records should be by place of death.

Now, if you want to list the 50 state records by place of death, that's an option.

But that would mean a lot of persons were listed twice, it seems simpler to just list the 3 international exceptions. That gives everyone who is ever an American a chance to be in the records. Without the addendum, the system is incomplete.Ryoung122 00:19, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Rebecca Lanier[edit]

Hi, I just wanted to bring this person to your attention based on the news stories that put her age at 119. I think she should be mentioned somewhere but I don't know how to go about adding her correctly. Brig Anderson (talk) 06:33, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Matthew Beard[edit]

Please review this edit and edit summary. Why should wikipedia host this statement about the SSA recognizing the reported age? Why should wikipedia host this statement that the reported lifespan is not universally accepted? Neither statement is sourced. Together, they suggest someone is making something up or, at the very least, wrong. BLP doesn't apply, since Mr. Beard's dead. That's why I don't just delete. But the insertion of this kind of "data", on page after page of wikipedia articles in the longevity suite, demonstrates a thorough misunderstanding of (or contempt for) the wikipedia rules about how facts are supposed to be attributed. David in DC (talk) 13:18, 30 May 2011 (UTC) Says: (How do we know SSA recognizes claim? Who sez not universally accepted? Footnote illustrates, precisely, the sourcing problem in longevity suite of articles. Not enuf, on WP, for expert or hobbyist to assert data exists. A WP:RS must be cited.). Legacypac (talk) 03:03, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Eddye Williams[edit]

Does anyone have a policy-based answer to the question I pose in this edit summary. If GRG wants to call this person's age "unverified" that's fine and dandy. Why must wikipedia follow suit? David in DC (talk) 17:55, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Marshall Collier[edit]

Oscar Robertson's great-grandfather Marshall Collier was born in 1838 and died in 1954 at the age of 116, the oldest person in the United States at the time of his death. Source #1, Source #2 I think he should be in this list. --bender235 (talk) 15:59, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

I saw this earlier today. Thank you for the interesting claim (of the past) about Marshall Collier. The mention of this case made me do genealogical research (for my curiosity's sake). It helped that Oscar Robertson provided a sample chapter of his autobiography on his website outlining his ancestry.
Back to your sources, it appears that #2 may be referring to #1 as it's paraphrasing #1 quite considerably but adding "allegedly" to... "the oldest living person in the United States at that time". The rest of the paragraph between the two sources looks like nearly word-by-word. During my quick research today, I found a great reference that can be used by other Wikipedia editors for the Oscar Robertson's article: Ebony magazine, dated March 1960.
Anyway, I don't know if we would be able to add this past claim to this list because this article seems only geared towards verified cases *except* the living ones. In any case, this past claim is for a claimed death age of 116, which belongs to the Longevity claims article. I see that you have already added Marshall Collier's claim there. I think that's all we can do at this time. Side note: For those who are interested in my original research results, I am able to debunk this claim. Marshall Collier's census matches indicate his family (and himself) were consistently reporting his birth year to be about 1863-1864, rather than 1838. This is possibly a mistaken family lore in where the family did not realize there was a missing generation in the family stories (i.e. Marshall Collier was telling stories about his father's stories in the first person, rather than narrating his own stories). Regards, CalvinTy 21:58, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Nice findings. Thanks for the comment. --bender235 (talk) 22:29, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Editors FYI[edit]

Delma Kollar has died, source: Oldest Oregonian dies in Creswell-Kiwipat (talk) 07:40, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Proposal to have an Oldest Living American Man Table[edit]

The European SCs has a table for men, and thus the U.S. should have one as well, considering that it's population is about the same as that of Western Europe, from where almost all European SCs came from. Someone made such a table at the Data Section of the 110 Club for American men that continuously goes from 1978 to the present day.

Never mind. I already made one. :) Futurist110 (talk) 07:55, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

John Joe Begay[edit]

A case such as John Joe Begay was a one-star footnote case, not a pending-validated case. He should not be listed.74.160.66.239 (talk) 23:29, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Carrie C. White redirection[edit]

Carrie C. White redirects to this page, but she isn't mentioned anywhere. I propose that she is added under "People". --Marbe166 (talk) 19:17, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

The GRG (Gerontology Research Group) no longer accepts Carrie White's case. See here: http://www.grg.org/Adams/CCCCC.HTM. If you want to create a separate Wikipedia article for her, go ahead, but since her claimed age is no longer accepted, I don't think that she should have an entry for her on this Wikipedia article. Futurist110 (talk) 22:41, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Bernando Lapollo[edit]

Who added this man to the list? Robert Young states on the GRG page here that he's about 10 years younger than he claims he is and that his birthdate has been changed several times. 123.211.110.15 (talk) 12:31, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Melva Radcliffe[edit]

The table Oldest American by state lists Bertha Cole (February 28, 1883 – August 19, 1994) with 111 years and 172 day as the oldest female for New Jersey. According to this obit in the Asbury Park Press and this article in The Star-Ledger it seems that Melva Radcliffe (March 3, 1901 – August 31, 2012) was 111 years and 181 days old when she died. Shouldn't she be listed instead? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:48, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

130 years old in 1969[edit]

When I was a child, I saw a television interview with a black man right after Neil Armstrong walked on the moon. They asked him what he thought about all the changes he had seen in his life and now a man was walking on the surface of the moon. The man said "Ain't nobody never been to no moon!" I've never forgotten that interview and decided to see if I could learn more about this man's remarkable life. I believe he was born into slavery in about the year 1839 (I don't think they were certain of his birthdate but they knew he was a full grown man in the Civil War). I was disappointed not to find this man listed in the article. 68.5.181.213 (talk) 23:58, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Oldest living man in the United States[edit]

I noticed that when I saw " Chronological list of the oldest living man in the United States" in this article, that Alexander Imich is listed as the oldest living man in the United States. However, I saw in "Oldest living American by state" that there is a man older than him that should have been listed on the oldest living american man list. Wash Wesley, even though he is still pending, is older than Alexander Imich, so can someone please put Wash Wesley on that list? (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 02:29, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Accessibility of tables[edit]

Hi, I have tried to make the first table accessible and to comply with guidelines for not using color alone to convey information. I intend to slowly roll this out to the other tables as well and to remove the emphasis on color. I see there are a number of contributors to this article and others like it and I welcome all of you (and any readers out there) to help make similar changes to this article so that individuals with visual impairment may not only better read but also contribute to this collaborative project that is Wikipedia. Thank you. dsprc [ talk ] 17:43, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Baring some other fundamental structural changes to the article - I know of no other way to present the information as text and inline like the colors are, other than by using an additional cell in the tables - I view the removal of the additional cell as vandalism and censorship. If the cells are empty, populate them with data. Again, please improve this article and make it accessible to the visually impaired. Thank you. dsprc [ talk ] 20:21, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

What is appropriately encyclopedic content for longevity related biographies[edit]

There is currently a discussion about what constitutes encyclopedia content on longevity related biographies at Talk:Gertrude Weaver#What is appropriately encyclopedic content for longevity related biographies please comment. I am One of Many (talk) 18:48, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Why no oldest living woman table?[edit]

Why is there an oldest living man, an oldest living person, but not an oldest living woman table? It comes across as sexist. Ca2james (talk) 00:48, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Don't those tables need a source stating that the person was the oldest living in the US at the time? It's a common problem in all these country longevity articles. CommanderLinx (talk) 07:16, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Any oldest living women table will be about 90% overlap with an oldest living person table so is redundant. I don't see it as a sexist thing. Legacypac (talk) 02:56, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
It can be removed now. No one has added any sources since this post back in January so I don't believe they exist. Burden of proof falls on those who restore it. Will remove it when I jump on the puter unless someone beats me. CommanderLinx (talk) 07:34, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
Beats you? Has it come to that? EEng (talk) 07:39, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
Please be gentle. :-( CommanderLinx (talk) 08:08, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Cut off point for tables[edit]

Hello,

Yet again, DerbyCountyinNZ seems to think that his opinion is the final say on everything by cutting the all-time list down to the top 100. If you want to make significant change like this, raise the issue on the talk page first and gain consensus. This isn't North Korea where everyone has to follow the orders of the mighty leader, so let's try to come to a democratic decision.

We want to try and maintain consistency across these articles without removing too much information. One option is that we could have a top 100 or top 200 list for each country - although some countries do not have 100 entries yet. Thoughts? -- Ollie231213 (talk) 00:13, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

State listing[edit]

When is Lucy Hannah listed for Alabama (where she was born) and not Michigan (where she resided) per this table? If we are only going by place of birth alone, then those who were born before statehood shouldn't count at all. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 01:52, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

why not put her on a special list of super old people that migrated from one state to another? Surely that would justify a whole page too? Legacypac (talk) 10:13, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Why is Frank Levingstone not listed as the oldest male born in North Carolina?2601:241:2:5F06:C447:30E7:49E9:B495 (talk) 11:29, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

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Mary Spingola[edit]

Mary Spingola died in 2014. Please remove her. 104.56.23.57 (talk) 03:34, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Please, provide a reliable source for this important claim of yours. Extremely sexy (talk) 23:25, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
According to correspondence between 110 Club member Ecad and Spingola's family, she died September 11, 2014. --104.56.23.57 (talk) 05:42, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Forums aren't a reliable source. CommanderLinx (talk) 07:24, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Moreover, there is no online obit as well, while she has been in the news regularly before! Extremely sexy (talk) 11:57, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Missing: Melva Radcliffe (NJ) d. at 111[edit]

My great grandma should be on this list, her wiki article was deleted shortly after she died but... She was 111 so should qualify!

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/09/njs_oldest_residents_death_is.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.181.253.20 (talk) 18:44, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Adele Dunlap[edit]

Please note an AFD took place a month ago and the end result was to delete the contents of the article, not merge it to this one. CommanderLinx (talk) 03:50, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

  • Include: The claim that the AdD result is relevant her is a profound misunderstanding of policy. The AfD result it completely irrelevant to the inclusion of a section on Adele Dunlap here. Afd concerns only the notability of a person or topic for a standalone article. If an article on a person or topic is deleted, this in no way implies that all mention or inclusion of this topic must be scrubbed from Wikipedia articles. Whether a section on Adele Dunlap should be included here is a matter for discussion and consensus. Now, looking at the relevant section, her inclusion certainly seems appropriate, well source, and so should be included.--I am One of Many (talk) 16:30, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. I may have read and understood wrong, but I thought that if the result of the AFD was to delete the contents of the article then it goes against that consensus to then recreate a mini-bio at at another article. My apologies if that isn't the case and I've read wrong. I'll support if there is consensus here to include and the mini-bio doesn't just duplicate information from the tables in this article. Pinging other users involved (@DerbyCountyinNZ, Bloger, TFBCT1, and CAWylie:) if any of you are interested. CommanderLinx (talk) 00:00, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Exclude There's nothing at the moment beyond the information in the tables. Just because she is the oldest in the US in insufficient, the tables cover that and an appropriate citation is sufficient for the reader to read up on any trivia. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 03:51, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Include: I do see more info there than the table offers.
But more importantly I don’t see why she is different than the 20’somting other names that do have a piece besides the tables.
Bloger (talk) 04:37, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
WP:OTHERSTUFF. Many of those should be removed as well, for the same reasons. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 06:44, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Most of the entries in prose form are "the oldest in <name of state>". Hooray for them, but that is not relevant to a list by country page. I think when some saw "States" in the title, that's when the prose came. — Wyliepedia 07:31, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment: There are two questions here. The first seems straight forward to me: should a short bio of Adele Dunlap be included in the list of short bios in the article? Sure, she is currently the oldest person in the US and older than many others already on the list. The second question is whether the section with short bios should even be in this article. This is less clear but my view in these gray areas is to error on the side of inclusion. --I am One of Many (talk) 18:20, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
In my opinion, the lead should give the oldest person (man and woman ever) then give the current oldest (irregardless of gender). The lead introduces the list, which is what this page is designed to be, not "oldest in a state" nor "oldest of a religion" nor "oldest emigrant/immigrant". — Wyliepedia 01:19, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

List of new super centurian from Kentucky: Ernestine Francis Garst , Sacramento, KY born July 16, 1906[edit]

Ernestine Francis Garst of Sacramento, Kentucky was born July 16, 1906

<http://riversidecareandrehab.com/hall-of-fame/ernestine-garst/> <http://www.messenger-inquirer.com/news/local/riverside-resident-garst-celebrates-her-th-birthday/article_c0769828-8e00-5773-bb9d-25b8993ba0c2.html>

Rtp24018 (talk) 10:49, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2016[edit]

Add Centenarian: Emma Primas; Female; Born August 5, 1905; 111 years 83 Days; Birthplace Texas; Residence Texas Reference: http://www.houstonsun.com/2014/11/19/109-year-old-independent-woman-speaks-of-what-she-knows-for-sure/ Reference: http://www.houstonsun.com/2014/11/19/109-year-old-independent-woman-speaks-of-what-she-knows-for-sure/

Glenn Everett Rushing 16:43, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Not done for now: Both those references are the same, and refer to her being 109, not over 110, please provide a reference to show she reached 110 - Arjayay (talk) 17:56, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 November 2016[edit]

Lucy Alice Forist F November 17, 1906 North Dakota California

picture of 110 birthday certificate from LA city council

Philrodd (talk) 18:44, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. JTP (talkcontribs) 19:17, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
Additionally, new entries on the list must be referenced by a reliable source, such as a news article, dated after their 110th birthday. A picture of a birthday certificate is not enough. clpo13(talk) 19:29, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Allen Charles Jackson[edit]

Allen Charles Jackson and his twin brother Allan Ceascear Jackson (born 24 Nov 1903) are known as two of the oldest twins ever. Allan Ceascear is confirmed dead, but not Allen Charles. If Allen Charles really is living, then why is he not put in the list? Is it not possible to verify him as a living supercentenarian? Is he is living, he is 113 years old and the second-oldest living man after Israel Kristal. BjörnBergman 21:02, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Lucy Hannah[edit]

Per WP:NOPAGE and WP:Permastub, I think Lucy Hannah should be merged here. Not to mention that recently, it has become doubtful that Hannah was how old the article says she was. 120.144.45.187 (talk) 04:07, 31 December 2016 (UTC)The edit of this IP user is not a beginner user definitely, then this IP user is very likely to be a injusticely sock puppet of other account user.Inception2010 (talk) 11:34, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

  • I don't see the point in a merge since all the information in the article is already in the tables. We don't need to create mini-bios if they just duplicate whatever is in the tables above. Only stuff you lose in redirecting is that she claimed to be a year older and was never the world's oldest person so I'd support a redirect instead. CommanderLinx (talk) 09:50, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, Why not, she's as worthy as any other — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.173.32 (talk) 08:17, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

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