Talk:List of surviving silent film actors/Archive 1

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I think this might work better than the category. I think it is at least possible that there will be a few silent film actors surviving for for a decade or two so this list will have a use for years to come. (I certainly wanted a list like this long before I came to Wikipedia or had heard of it)--T. Anthony 13:23, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Recently deceased section

It is not really appropriate to have a section for deceased persons on a page dedicated to living persons! Possibly they could be moved to their own page although I suspect it might be nominated for Afd. Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (talk) 22:34, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Names that are not linked

As this is a summary page it should not include entries that do not have their own wiki article or at the very least a citation. Unless someone can justify their retention I intend to remove any name not linked or cited in 2 weeks time (the same goes for the Recently deceased section for reasons given above). Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (talk) 01:18, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

According to WP:Stand-alone lists#Lists of people "Selected lists of people should be selected for importance/notability in that category and should have Wikipedia articles (or the reasonable expectation of an article in the future)." There appear to be too many people on this list who do not have wiki articles and cannot be reasonably expected to have one in the future. I propose that in 2 weeks all non-linked person be removed from the article. Those that are removed can be added on this talk page and then put on the main page if and when they get their own article. DerbyCountyinNZ 23:35, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Nanette Fabray

she possibly appeared in the 1924 Our Gang short Cradle Robbers http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0235316/--68.51.87.188 (talk) 22:57, 29 January 2012 (UTC)--68.51.87.188 (talk) 22:57, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

If someone can find confirmation then she can be included, but it all seems a bit vague at the moment. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 03:47, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
The actress confirmed herself she never appear in that comedy in an interview she gave to archive of american television you can find here:

http://www.emmytvlegends.org/interviews/people/nanette-fabray — Preceding unsigned comment added by Louis, Comte de Frontenac (talkcontribs) 15:18, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Marta Eggerth

debut film was a Hungarian silent film from 1930 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0241331/--68.51.87.188 (talk) 20:26, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

According to wikipedia, the movie was first made silent. The sound was add later. Here is the link to this article on wikipedia: http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Csak_egy_kislány_van_a_világon

Shep Houghton

later a dancer in many classic Hollywood musicals, he appeared as a child in several silent movies from 1927-1928 http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0396473/bio--68.51.87.188 (talk) 01:06, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Jean La Verne

Is there any evidence other than the Young Hollywood Hall of Fame that Jane La Verne is still alive? Her entry there offers no details, and I can't find anything after 1929, which makes me suspicious. Also, I'm not entirely certain that her career helps her pass WP:N or WP:ENTERTAINER to have her own Wikipedia page... Canadian Paul 18:00, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I just deleted the article as a copyvio, as I am about to delete several more as such, but it's something to consider should the article be recreated. Canadian Paul 18:15, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Actors deleted

Hi, I took days and days to find informations about the following actors : Jane La Verne, Leon Holmes, Ivy Ward, Priscilla Moran and Doreen Turner. I wrote articles in which I gave all my sources. It was hard because there are not a lot of informations about them. I had to find old newspaper and old books to find biographical informations. I gave the names of authors (when they where given) and the web sites where I found informations. I use wikipedia standards for the articles. Why they where just deleted like that? How can you say that is is a duplicate from others sources (that are public domain). Curiously, all the article I wrote about Shep Houghton, Billy Watson and Louise Watson where kept... I hope to have an explanation from the following users: Canadian Paul and MadmanBot. Thanks

Louis, Comte de Frontenac

Hi, I left an explanation on your talk page here. In short, the articles were deleted because you copied and pasted the information from other sources instead of putting that information in your own words. All of those sources had copyright notices, so they were not in the public domain. A more detailed explanation can be found on your talk page. Canadian Paul 19:01, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
I am also deleting Shep Houghton as it a complete copy of his IMDB page. I doubt that it took you "days and days" to find that. Canadian Paul 19:04, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
Well in that case, I suggest to to delete Loni Nest article because I also wrote it.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 135.19.223.162 (talk) 19:14, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
I don't see any evidence that that page is a copyright violation. Canadian Paul 19:31, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Possibly Living Section?

People like Helen Rowland, Vonda Phelps, José Corazón de Jesús Jr, Maggie Calloway, Manuel Silos and Virginia Marshall all have their own Wikipedia page? They are complete unknowns with no credible source whatsoever.

Then we might as well include Shep Houghton, Doreen Turner, Leon Holmes, Jane La Verne, Billy Butts, Ivy Ward, Priscilla Moran, Jackie Lucas, Runa Hodges and Lois Alexander, if we want to be consistent here.

However, there is good reason to believe that Lassie Lou Ahern is still alive. SmartJoe91 (talk) 14:17, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

If you think they are too minor to deserve a wiki article then you can nominate them for deletion. However, given the countless number of wiki articles on people who barely meet any sort of notability criteria and survive Afd because they have a WP:Reliable source, and IMDB is considered "reliable", I suspect they would probably survive. As for creating articles for those listed on this page, all you need is a reliable source. The others were created by one person and it is possible some were left out because there was no such source. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 21:26, 27 March 2013 (UTC)


Alright, l understand....In that case, I'm deleting Maggie Calloway from this page, as there is NO source for her information, not even an IMDB page. How do we know that she did those movies in the past? José Corazón de Jesús, Jr didn't make his first film until 1930. The movie, Oriental Blood, wasn't silent. The sound mix was Mono. So I'm removing him as well. (Note: l've saved both texts, in case someone makes a good argument as to why they should be put back in the Possibly Living section).

Also, do we have a source for the statement "Mary Carlisle's first screen role was in Long Live the King (1923)"?

And lastly, I've added film director Manoel de Oliveira as he was an extra in the Portuguese silent film Fátima Milagrosa (1928). SmartJoe91 (talk) 09:27, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Looks like Maggie Calloway already survived AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maggie Calloway. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 21:55, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Actors Without Wiki Articles

These people should only be added on the main page if they have their own wiki article.

Possibly living

A person listed here should only be removed if it is confirmed they are deceased OR their age exceeds 110 as it is highly unlikely that anyone of that age would still be alive but not reported anywhere. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 00:19, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Vonda Phelps

I believe she died in 1972, see the reasons for this on her talk page. Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 03:13, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Virginia Marshall

Same as for Vonda Phelps above, see Talk:Virginia Marshall, but with the more common name there is less certainty. Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 03:40, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Bill Kerr

Although Bill Kerr's article states he made his feature film debut in the early talkie period I recall reading an article a few years back that he started in silent shorts before graduating to full-length. A quick online search didn't bring anything up but that's not too surprisingly. One for people to keep an eye on to see if we can confirm. --Roisterer (talk) 05:08, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Lupita Tovar

So basically The Veiled Woman was originally a talkie but they removed the sound for certain movie theaters? That doesn't make Lupita Tovar a silent film actress...since her role required speaking while filming. The manuscript had dialogues just like any other sound film. Silent film stars, on the other hand, had to rely solely on gestures, facial expressions and such. Opinions? OscarLake (talk) 09:00, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. A film recorded with sound that has the sound removed for some screenings is not the same as a film recorded without sound. If the original had sound then it is not a "silent film". On that basis I think Tovar should be removed from this list. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 09:35, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Marta Eggerth

In the same vein as above I do not agree with the previous discussion that Marta Eggerth's first film should be considered a silent film. According to a translation (admittedly not perfect) of the Hungarian wiki article this film was going to be a silent film but they borrowed some sound equipment for some of the songs (due to technical difficulties the sound had to be recorded separately). In fact, as Eggerth was initially famous for her singing it makes no sense that she would a appear in film that was intended to be silent! The film was released with sound therefore it was never actually shown as a silent film. I believe this rules out Eggerth as a silent film actor. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 10:13, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Maria Riva

According to IMDB, Marlene Dietrich was in a silent German documentary/short subject in 1924 called "Die glückliche Mutter" along with her newborn daughter Maria Riva. It was released in late 1928. As of 4 June 2013, Maria is still alive at the age of 88. If this information is reliable, then we should add her to the list.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0299936/

OscarLake (talk) 15:49, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

IMDB is not considered a reliable source on its own, and in this case it is admitted that the film is essentially a home movie. In addition I for one don't consider a new-born baby to be an "actor/actress". UNless there is something more convincing I would leave her out. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 21:32, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
But in this particular case, the home movie was released to the public rather than it just being a private family footage. What constitutes a surviving silent film performer? In my opinion, it's whoever could be viewed by the general public on a "soundfree" screen before 1930. The people listed in this article are all unique because very few people pass the above criteria. But Maria Riva does. Scripted or not scripted.
And as for the argument that a newborn baby isn't an actress: A movie is basically storytelling, and in a story, there are characters that keep the plot together. If one or several of the characters are removed, then the film falls apart. While a baby doesn't have any lines or movements to remember, they're essentially still one of the building blocks for the film's theme. It's like a puzzle, it needs all its pieces.
Anyway, back to Maria Riva. How about a compromise? If I can find a reliable source (not IMDb), then can we give her a special mention somewhere in the article? Thanks.

OscarLake (talk) 13:50, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

This article is about "actors", which by definition means someone who is acting i.e. "a person in theatre, television, film, or any other storytelling medium who tells the story by portraying a character and, usually, speaking or singing the written text or play". I don't see that Maria Riva's appearance meets this definition. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 18:38, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
Sure, if we're doing a literal interpretation of the article's title :p
Anyways, after doing some research, I won't continue insisting on having her on the list. It seems like "Dietrich Biographer Steven Bach notes that the release of this film has not been verified". Oh well...OscarLake (talk) 18:55, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Loni Nest

Her death appears to be a hoax (second comment down) > http://monsterkidclassichorrorforum.yuku.com/topic/54136/Loni-Nest-The-Golem?page=-1#.UxaCcShoUbY Certainly seems incredibly suspicious. Should we re-add her to the possibly living section? --Jkaharper (talk) 01:53, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Self-destructive topic?

What will happen once all the survivors pass away? Will the article be deleted or just renamed? Just curious. OscarLake (talk) 10:39, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

It could possibly be renamed to something like Last surviving silent film actors (if there is some doubt about who was last and how broad the definition of "acting" is taken to be), or simply redirected to the article of whoever is considered to be undoubtedly the last. Now might also be a good time to start thinking about if/when to start a List of surviving 1930s film actors. :) Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 18:47, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Good idea :),I'll see if I can gather a list of surviving actors/actresses from that era if you are interested.--Killuminator (talk) 22:41, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Be my guest! It might be a little early (if it looks like there's way over a hundred it might be better to wait a while!). Also we need to agree on a definition. I'd prefer credited actors only, maybe with the odd exception for particularly notable actors from later years who had uncredited roles in the 30s. Thoughts? DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 23:11, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
I'll start working on a preliminary list on my user page, and we can use that and add any missing actors when the time comes.I think the best time to create an article would be let's say ohhhh when all silent film actors expire ? The number of surviving actors from the 30s will decrease too in the meanwhile.--Killuminator (talk) 23:34, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Killuminator, let me know if you need any help. I know of approximately 107 living actors/actresses from the 1930s or earlier (excluding those without Wikipedia articles). OscarLake (talk) 23:52, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much, you're a huge help.I only have Shirley Temple and Luise Rainer so far cuz they are undisputed.Send me any info you have or you can edit that section of my userpage whenever you please.--Killuminator (talk) 00:01, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Well sadly Temple is gone, I do know Olivia de Havilland is alive though. People overuse the term "Its the last one of that era". There are still a few our gang cast members alive, so is the kid from Pinocchio. Wgolf (talk) 18:12, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
I started this a while back. Here's what I have so far of the surviving 1930s stars. Disagree with the remark about leaving out uncredited roles as many uncredited roles were far more prominent in the features and had speaking parts in comparison to some others films that credited just about everyone, including the really obscure background roles: Manoel de Oliveira, Carla Laemmle, Arthur Gardner (producer), Yvette Lebon, Luise Rainer, Lupita Tovar, Lukas Ammann, Herb Jeffries, Mary Carlisle, Gisèle Casadesus, Norman Lloyd (although in a TV movie, notably the world's first), Renee Asherson (although in a TV movie), Patricia Morison, Olivia de Havilland, Suzy Delair, Vera Gebuhr, Jean Rouverol, Birgitta Valberg, Movita Castaneda, Danielle Darrieux, Lorna Gray, Marsha Hunt (actress), Barbro Kollberg, Diana Serra Cary, Mary Healy, Marjorie Lord, Fay McKenzie, Amelia Bence, Marge Champion, Caren Marsh Doll, Nova Pilbeam, Louise Watson (uncredited), Kathryn Adams Doty, Nanette Fabray, Setsuko Hara, Anita Kert Ellis, Jerry Maren, Michele Morgan, Maureen O'Hara, Mickey Rooney, Ruth Terry, Peggy Evans, Betty Jaynes, Louis Jourdan (although film was never completed), Muriel Pavlow, Jean Darling, Bill Kerr, Mona Lisa (actress), Jean Porter, Micheline Presle, Mila del Sol, Johnny Duncan (uncredited), Glynis Johns, Madeleine LeBeau, Jimmy Lydon, Rose Marie, Hanna Maron, Gene Reynolds, Peggy Stewart, Billy Watson, Maria Riva, Anne Triola, Janet Waldo, Gloria DeHaven (uncredited), Bob Hastings (guest appearance as himself), Tommy Kelly, Mildred Kornman, Joan Leslie, June Lockhart, Dickie Moore, Jerry Tucker, Gloria Jean, Terry Kilburn, Marilyn Knowlden, Jackie Lynn Taylor, Elena Verdugo, Jane Withers, Bobby Breen, Cora Sue Collins, Ann Gillis, Philip Hurlic, Dickie Jones, Joan Howard Maurer, Layne Tom Jr., Sidney Kibrick, Garry Watson, Margaret Kerry, Gale Sherwood, Betta St. John (uncredited), Marianne Edwards, Annie Ross (uncredited), Darryl Hickman, Juanita Quigley, Ann E. Todd, Joan Carroll, Mickey Kuhn, Abbe Lane (guest appearance as herself), Robert Blake, Leonard Landy, Donnie Dunagan, Dawn Bender AND Clyde Willson. Your thoughts? --Jkaharper (talk) 00:26, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

The list looks pretty much complete to me, but here are a few additions: Robert Rietti, Bea Wain (singing performance as herself in a 1939 short), Jeffrey Segal (uncredited), Mario Almada, Vera Lynn (uncredited), Ingeborg von Kusserow, Gough Whitlam (uncredited), Yvette Chauviré (ballet performer in a 1937 film), Leslie Phillips (uncredited), Gustavo Rojo (uncredited), Dora Doll (uncredited), Patrick Macnee (uncredited), Shirley Yamaguchi. OscarL 08:11, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Well this could easily be around for another decade. It could also become last silent stars like how I believe there is a list on here of the last people in WW1. Wgolf (talk) 00:30, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Per Oscar Lake's question: "What will happen once all the survivors pass away? Will the article be deleted or just renamed?", I would assume it will have to be deleted. Quis separabit? 00:54, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Per DerbyCountyinNZ's question: " Now might also be a good time to start thinking about if/when to start a List of surviving 1930s film actors" -- with all due respect I don't understand the rationale behind your idea, and it's pretty depressing, particularly when you consider what passes for talent and acting these days. The silent film actors category makes sense because we are talking about silent films v talkies, not merely "surviving 1920s film actors". The deacde isn't relaly relevant. Do we have to listify everything? Respectfully, Quis separabit? 00:54, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
I disagree. Much discussion on the web about surviving 30s stars, but nowhere can you find a good collective list despite there being demand for one. Wikipedia is becoming very good for constructing collective information that isn't available elsewhere. These lists are not exhaustive and include war veterans, "lasts" of significant events, film stars, sportsmen, politicians and even clergy within religious institutions. The 1930s is a very notable and iconic decade within the history of film as being the first to release blockbuster talkies after 1928's "The Jazz Singer" but also as being regarded as the "Golden era" of cinema. I see no problem with documenting the 100-150 or so survivors from this period. It's collective information like this that flocks so many people to Wikipedia, and the attention it will bring to relatively forgotten about stars will attract more editing to their pages as a result. --Jkaharper (talk) 13:26, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Now of course one can pull up the age issues of who the oldest are-but the problem there is-when did they start acting? Some people didn't start until they were in there 60s or 70s.

And the actor who played Pinocchio is still alive-unless if that was his first film so I can see why he wouldn't be mentioned then. Wgolf (talk) 16:26, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

and, as mentioned above, Bill Kerr started, at the very latest, in the early 1930s, if not before. --Roisterer (talk) 04:17, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

You know-there is still someone alive who was in a film in 1918-so the last person in a 20s film wont be for a while either. Fay McKenzie, to my knowledge this is the final person in a 1910's film! (I wonder who the last person in a 1900's film was?) Wgolf (talk) 04:10, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Loni Nest is listed on Find a grave it appears

Just checked: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=125622008 So-looks like she is dead. Wgolf (talk) 03:35, 8 March 2014 (UTC) Or is she? I found it on here: http://www.vioozmoviesonline.com/actor/29183/loni-nest Yet some say it is not her. I am confused. Wgolf (talk) 03:52, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Loni Nest died on October 2nd, 1990 according to German newspaper "Die Welt" (April 2nd, 2014): [1] --Aristeides (talk) 15:33, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Oddly I could of swore it said somewhere she was alive in 2007. Wgolf (talk) 01:13, 13 April 2014 (UTC) Kind of ironic-a hoax helped us out, never thought that could happen. Ha ha. Wgolf (talk) 01:15, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Upon the death of actors

This is a great page. I only found it when I was reading about the death of Mickey Rooney a few days ago. I assume that his name had been on this article's list and that it was removed upon his death. Is that the case? (I assume so.) So, when an actor dies, we seem to simply delete them from the page. I don't think that this is a great idea. Most of these actors are very old. Hence, in a few years, this page will no longer exist (if we continue to delete each actor, one by one, upon his death). I think a better idea is to have a section at the bottom of the article. Perhaps it can be titled "Recently deceased actors" or "Previous surviving actors" or some appropriate title heading. Then, instead of deleting an actor (like Mickey Rooney, for example), he would simply move from the top of the article (those still living) to the bottom of the article (those recently deceased). Thoughts? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:18, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Hey Joe. I believe there was a recently deceased section a long time ago, but it was removed for some reason. I have a list of the last surviving silent film actors since 2000, so if you're curious to know which ones have died in the last 10 years or so, let me know. OscarL 21:28, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks. It's not so much that I am personally interested in who the stars are and what their names were. I am more interested in having this page maintain all the names, whether the star is living or dead. I think it's a shame (and makes no sense) to remove the person, once he has died. As all of these people are very old, the list will become empty in a few years. So, I suggest we add in a section at the bottom for those deceased (like Mickey Rooney and whoever else was on the list before they passed away). What do people think of this idea? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 22:04, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes he was listed here-only 13 remain it appears. Possibly they should have "last surviving silent stars". I know the last silent star who was one as an adult died in 2011. Of course none of these people (or very small amount) actually were silent stars per say. They were in silent films but not stars of them. Wgolf (talk) 19:22, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
I've also maintained we should document the last surviving silent stars, and there seems to be a consensus in this. It was arrogantly removed by a single user a few years ago who singularly disagreed with me. I'll reinstate it when I get time, as I've kept a copy of deceased silent film stars since 2006 (I have about 100 names on it). Cheers --Jkaharper (talk) 22:24, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
What is the point of such a list? DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 04:09, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
If that's your attitude DCiNZ, then what do you see the point in any longevity-related list? There are some pretty obscure yet appreciated lists on Wiki regarding oldest (living or deceased) wrestlers, baseball players, Roman Catholic bishops, last survivors of historical events, war veterans etc??? A simple Google search reveals that there are thousands of people inquiring about surviving but also "last living" silent film actors on forums across the net. There's a demand for a collective list, and I see it as far more constructive to document the last survivors rather than delete their names then completely discard of the article forever once they've all gone. Seems like a massive waste of time and well researched information to be honest. --Jkaharper (talk) 15:18, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Those are instances of people looking for the last living people in various categories, which is what this list is, or the last survivor (single) of historical events. Are there any articles which are lists of who were the last 100 living 100 people in such categories? DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 21:06, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Silas Hathaway

Two days ago I worked on the page of Chaplins The Kid (1921 film). There was an actor named Silas Hathaway who played the baby version of Jackie Coogans "The Kid". "The Kid" was Hathaways only film. He was born in March 1919 and there are two sources from April 2012 (http://archive.desertsun.com/article/20120422/NEWS13/204220302/Service-Hell-Wheels-led-amputated-fingers) and December 2013 (http://www.startiger.com/myStars/l.php?i=1020645&u=248) who clearly indicate that he's still alive. There's of course the question if you can call a baby an "actor", but I think somebody should add him to this list: You can watch him in at least two minutes of the film and you could also say, that he played the title role (together with Coogan) in one of the most popular films of silent era. --Clibenfoart (talk) 20:34, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Aside from whether or not to count a baby as an "actor" (I wouldn't), unless he gets his own article (which I doubt would pass GNG) he can't be added to the main article. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 04:05, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
Also in all honesty-how many of these people were actual silent stars are alive anymore? Yes they were in silents but not silent stars. (The last adult in silent films died in 2011) Wgolf (talk) 04:30, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
I would add him. A baby can act in a way and show feelings, which Hathaway in The Kid clearly did. Also: Manoel de Oliveira played an extra - which is in my opinion not an "actor", too - in an forgotten silent film and appears in the list. And I would also say, that while millions of people watched The Kid and Hathaway, the film of Oliviera (Fátima Milagrosa) and most of the films of the other silent actors are allmost forgotten. So he is more a "star" for his silent work than many of the other actors in this list. --Clibenfoart (talk) 07:20, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Jack C. Edwards

Jack C. Edwards born on September 26, 1920 in Los Angeles, California, USA as Jack Clark Edwards. He is an actor, known for I Do (1921), East Side Kids (1940) and So This Is Marriage? (1924). He has been married to B. Kelley Edwards since March 3, 1951. They have two children. He lives in St. Petersberg Florida today & is omitted from the list of survivors. See http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0250057/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t9 He was in the Harold Lloyd film "Grandma's Boy" (1922). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.104.10.77 (talk) 13:43, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Remove the "Possibly living" section

If a living person was in silent films but doesn't have his/her own page due to lack of notability, then we should still mention them in the main article. To be honest, I'm not too fond of giving undeserving attention to people like Gladys Egan and Maggie Calloway who are most likely not alive. Why focus on limbo cases in an article about living people? Attention should be solely on those who deserve to be here.

Here's what I suggest:

First we have the main list with blue-linked entries. Below, we list people like Shep Houghton who are not notable enough to have their own pages, but are confirmed to be alive. He fits in with the article title more so than the "possibly living" ones. Thoughts? OscarL 22:15, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

"The silent film era spanned roughly between 1912–1929."

So the sound film era was c.1896-1911 and then again from 1930 on. You learn something new at Wikipedia every day. Oh wait - it's referenced, no need to engage brain. 84.55.91.66 (talk) 06:55, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

So edit it then, instead of making arrogant comments. Idiot. OscarL 23:10, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Shep Houghton

Why this dancer and actors who debuted in a silent movie was retired from the list? And, why the article about him seems to have disappear? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.233.139.6 (talk) 10:53, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

His article was removed because he was deemed to not be notable enought have an article as almost all his appearances were uncredited. Without an article he cannot be included in this list. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 11:18, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
I don't understand this argument. This is a list of "Surviving silent film actors", and he appeared clearly in a silent film. This seems to be rather a selection of surviving silent film actors. --Clibenfoart (talk) 11:22, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
This is a list of silent film actors notable enough to have a wikipedia article who have a reliable source indicating that they are still alive. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 11:42, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
So you should better call this list "Surviving silent film actors notable enough to have a wikipedia article who have a reliable source indicating that they are still alive", because this list includes certainly not all surviving silent film actors, as the title of this article indicates. --Clibenfoart (talk) 14:49, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
I agree that Shep should be listed even if he doesn't have an article. Fact is that he is still alive and that's what counts. OscarL 15:55, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
This violates WP:LISTPEOPLE. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 21:54, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Shep can be included on the basis of the BLP1E rule, where the "specific event" in this case would be that he is one of the rare few survivors of the silent film era. But this doesn't mean we will start adding people like Leon Holmes and Jane La Verne since we don't know whether they are alive or not. OscarL 22:14, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Seriously? I see nothing in WP:1E that covers this sort of "event". DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 22:51, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Normally, Shep Houghton is not notable enough to have his own Wikipedia article. In fact, I'm the one who nominated it for deletion if you recall. However, in the context of this article and this list, his appearences in 1927 and 1928 are relevant. Since those two years only cover a very small portion of his total career, his silent days can be seen as a "one event". I think it's strange that we exclude Shep but keep a bunch of obscure possibly living people such as Vonda Phelps and Maggie Calloway. It's an unbalanced list that doesn't depict reality in the right way. You know, you seem like the type who's never broken any Wikipedia rules in your life. Sometimes, you have to because rules can't cover all situations so you have to be adaptable. Ask any lawyer. OscarL 00:29, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Houghton had 3 uncredited roles as an extra in silent films which falls short of any reasonable definition of "acting" and certainly falls short of notability, in particular as far as inclusion in this list is concerned (this indicates Houghton was interesting and interacted with various famous actors, but that still does not make him a notable, in wiki terms or otherwise, silent film actor). I see no reason to make an exception for someone who has such a negligible qualification for inclusion. As for "rule-breaking" some wiki rules are rubbish (RS for one) and others, particularly Notability and Consensus, are frequently abused. I despise the attempted use of wiki as a pseudo-messageboard, -blog or -fanfluff site. If clear and basic rules are broken to enable this then I will follow the rules to have such material removed. Sometimes it is so prevalent that it is not worth wasting my time trying to clean them up so I'm happy to ignore the article and let it degenerate in the hope that eventually someone else will do something about it. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 01:26, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

I agree with Oscar Lake. I think he's at least notable as one of the last living persons from a silent film. And - by the way - there are many bit-part actors and extras in the english Wikipedia with an article. You say, that Houghton was only an extra in those silent films, but I don't know if you ever watched this films, so that you can confirm your claim. And why is Manoel de Oliveira in your list? He was a extra in one forgotten silent film. You seem to use a Double standard. --Clibenfoart (talk) 10:04, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Shep Houghton also has an article in the Simple English Wikipedia (https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shep_Houghton) ...and the Wikipedia from the Netherlands (https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shep_Houghton). In those two Wikipedias, he is notable enough to have an article. --Clibenfoart (talk) 10:13, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Apart from WP:OTHERSTUFF applying Manoel de Oliveira has a wiki article (although I personally don't think 1 film as an extra qualifies, happy to remove if him if there is such a consensus). I suspect both other wiki articles for Houghton were cloned off the English, and in any case that does not impact on his notability here. If Houghton had a wiki English article he would be included, as he was previously. Without one he shouldn't. Feel free to recreate an article for him, the link I included above might help. If that is not satisfactory an RFC might help. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 10:49, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Mizukubo Sumiko

Doubt this person is alive, but someone just added a page for Mizukubo Sumiko, though it looks like she was an adult at the time. But still something to look into. Wgolf (talk) 04:03, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Looks like she was born in 1916, so I'll add her to possibly living. Wgolf (talk) 04:04, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

The only source for this is IMDB which is not considered reliable. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 04:46, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Though she acted in the early 30s, not sure how long the silent era was in Japan though....Wgolf (talk) 04:16, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Another from the new page feed-though born in 1908 and highly doubtful she is alive.

Gulab (actress), granted don't know a lot about Bollywood other then the basics, also considering her birth year kind of doubtful she is alive. But might as well as her anyway!

Wgolf (talk) 16:16, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Actors Without Wiki Articles

These people should only be added on the main page if they have their own wiki article.

Possibly living


A person listed here should only be removed if it is confirmed they are deceased OR their age exceeds 110 as it is highly unlikely that anyone of that age would still be alive but not reported anywhere. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 00:19, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Note that IMDB, blogs and Facebook are not considered Reliable sources, something better is required. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 04:04, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
...which is why we're posting this on the talkpage and not in the article. While IMDb isn't reliable for biographical info, it is a good place to get more clues and initiate investigation. OscarL 16:48, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Looks like someone make a page for Priscilla Moran. Wgolf (talk) 15:53, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

@Derby: According to IMDb, Lois Alexander was born on November 4, 1910. The Findagrave entry, however, appears to refer to someone born on March 26, 1910. So I don't think it's the same woman. OscarL 01:52, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Well I remember that for years it said that Loni Nest was indeed alive as of 2005-yet it appeared she was not after all Wgolf (talk) 03:09, 31 August 2014 (UTC)


-Helena D'Algy has a page on here now (removed her from this list along with someone else), but she is not on the main article and I find it doubtful she is alive anyway given that she will be 110 in just less then 2 years. Wgolf (talk) 05:03, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
I am most certain she is dead-but I found Magda Foy as possibly living-the IMDB page has her born in 1905 instead of 1906 and living till 2000 (quite a nice long life!) but wanted to point this out. Wgolf (talk) 21:59, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Guardian article

This page was subject of a recent Guardian article. An interesting read, it would be nice if we could contact the author for further research purposes. I spent most of my life as a nobody': the last of the silent movie stars . --Killuminator (talk) 23:29, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Helena D'Algy and Magda Foy

Both of them were born in 1906-so unlikely they are alive but no year of death is mentioned so should they be added to the possibly living? Magda Foy has a different DOB and listed as dead on the IMDB (in 2000-so she would of had a nice long life if that is true!) while Helena does not have the possibly living cat on her. Still not sure what to say. Wgolf (talk) 03:25, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Maggie Calloway

I was wondering about this one-do we have any proof of her at all? I can't even find her on the IMDB. (Although that name does not sound like a name from the Philippines). But yeah what do we know about her? Wgolf (talk) 16:47, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

I still don't see the purpose of mentioning people that might be alive in an article about living people. Even if Maggie Calloway was an established star in the Philippines, her obituary was probably only mentioned in printed media long before Internet arrived. Regarding the name itself, the Philippines is the only Catholic country in Asia. It was a colony of Spain, and later United States. I guess the names of their inhabitants reflect that. See Catálogo alfabético de apellidos. OscarL 08:54, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Norma del Rosario and José Corazón de Jesús, Jr.-categories silent actor/actress but no proof of such

Okay so I was looking under the category search for possibly living people/silent stars-I found Norma del Rosario who is listed as such but I can't find proof if she was in silent films. (None of her films have links and even the IMDB pages for those films are very bare bones) Wgolf (talk) 18:44, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Another one I just found José Corazón de Jesús, Jr., born in 1908 so unlikely he is alive, but still no proof he is a silent actor but wanted to mention this.

And then I found Sultana (actress) who is listed as possibly living and a silent star but no DOB so who knows about her. Wgolf (talk) 18:48, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Well if anyone wants to add these-go ahead. Wgolf (talk) 03:16, 22 October 2015 (UTC)