Talk:List of surviving veterans of the Spanish Civil War

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DerbyCountyinNZ - not speculation, here are sources (in Spanish, with translations) I hope this helps[edit]

It's not speculation. The lives of both men are thoroughly documented, although most of the sources are in Spanish. There was a media frenzy when Francisco Nunez Olivera turned 112 and the Spanish Army sent a delegation of officers to honor him as the oldest veteran in Spanish history. I have also personally met both men, as they are part of my photographic essay "Generaciones," which has been widely covered in the Spanish media. I am including direct quotes from the articles, along with my translation of them.

Francisco Núñez Olivera

"el soldado más veterano de España con dos batallas a sus espaldas: la Guerra del Rif y la Guerra Civil." Translation: "the oldest Spanish veteran with two wars behind him: the Rif War and the Civil War"

"Uno de los documentos que acreditan la fecha de nacimiento de Francisco Núñez Olivera es la cartilla militar con la que, en 1926, prestó servicio como soldado en Marruecos en la revuelta del Rif de Abd el-Krim. " Translation: "One of the documents that proves the date of birth of Francisco Núñez Olivera is the military ID card with which, in 1926, he served as a soldier in Morocco in the Rif revolt of And el-Krim"

"Cuando llegó la Guerra Civil, Marchena ya era un veterano de guerra" Translation: "When the Civil War came, Marchena (his nickname) was already a war veteran."

"...el veterano de guerra con más edad de la historia de España. El protagonista de este reconocimiento es Francisco Núñez Olivera, al que se conoce en el pueblo como 'Marchena', que cumple hoy 112 años, y que a lo largo de su historia, entre otras vivencias, ha participado en la Guerra del Rif o la Guerra Civil Española." Translation: "..the oldest war veteran in the history of Spain. The subject of this recognition is Francisco Núñez Olivera, who is known in his village as "Marchena," today turns 112, and that along his history, among other experiences, has participated in the Rif War and the Spanish Civil War."

Sandalio González Pérez This article is about his 100th birthday, tells his life story, and directly references his military service.

"Sandalio González Pérez nació el 3 de octubre de 1910 en la localidad de Mohernando. En su adolescencia y juventud se dedicó a las tareas agrícolas y ganaderas propias del pueblo, hasta su incorporación al servicio militar. Tras pasar dos años en África, la Guerra Civil le sorprendió con el grado de sargento y en Guadalajara, por lo que durante la contienda se vió obligado a todo un periplo bélico: Valencia, Teruel, Jaén y Granada." Translation: Sandalio González Pérez was born the 3rd of October in the locality of Mohernando. In his adolescence and youth he worked in the agricultural and livestock jobs typical of the village, until his incorporation into the military service. After spending two years in Africa, the Civil War came upon him when he held the rank of Sergeant in Guadalajara, so during the conflict he was forced to experience a wide range of the war threatre: Valencia, Teruel, Jaén, and Granada." This article is about his 105th birthday, short text, doesn't talk about military service.

This is a list of Spanish men verified as being age 105 or older and currently living.

Francisco is #1 on the list and Sandalio is #17.

Evidence required for a living Spanish Civil War veteran, Eduard Vivancos[edit]

This is in reference to an Esperanto speaker and (at the time) anarchist named Eduardo Vivancos, who served with the Durruti Column/26th Division in the Spanish Civil War. He is 96 years old (born 1920) and presently living in Toronto, Canada. A local Esperanto society has interviewed him and someone from the society has asked me about adding him to the list of surviving veterans.

There are articles on him in the Esperanto Wikipedia as well as in Spanish and Catalan. Of course those Wikipedias have different notability standards than here in English, but for those languages he is notable for having been in the Spanish Civil War and for contributions to Esperanto. I do not propose creation of an article on him as I am not convinced he would pass WP:GNG or WP:SOLDIER.

What would be considered a reliable source for his participation in the war? There are biographical articles about him that mention his involvement. If a reliable source can be found, are there any other barriers to inclusion in List of surviving veterans of the Spanish Civil War? (Also posted on WikiProject: Military History talk page.) Roches (talk) 03:25, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Sure, just a reputable, recent article discussing his service would be all it would take. A newspaper article or a reputable website. Czolgolz (talk) 03:34, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for adding him. Do you have another citation? The one you posted has a question mark for a death date, making it seem like he's no longer alive. Czolgolz (talk) 03:55, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Karel Dufek[edit]

Karel Dufek died in 2009. One of the editors found some information and added it to the article. Karel Dufek's name needs to be removed from this article. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 18:10, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Done, and thanks. Czolgolz (talk) 01:16, 19 June 2017 (UTC)