Talk:List of transcontinental countries
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- 1 Missing: Indonesia, Cyprus, Greece, etc.
- 2 Iran
- 3 Edit request
- 4 Spain
- 5 Edit Request
- 6 Panama
- 7 Edit request on 27 May 2012
- 8 Dubious
- 9 Greece
- 10 Edit request on 3 July 2013
- 11 Russia is Non-contiguous
- 12 Portugal
- 13 Italy
- 14 Armenia
- 15 Define your terms!
- 16 Moved to category
- 17 Eurasia
- 18 USA/Hawaiian Islands
- 19 POV
Missing: Indonesia, Cyprus, Greece, etc.
Indonesia - asia/oceania  - is missing. Armenia's european relation is mentioned, but Cyprus' isn't. North american islands of South american countries (and vice versa) are mentioned, but Asian islands of European countries are not (Greece). Maybe there are other missing, but this should be corrected. Alinor (talk) 10:04, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
First, there are a lot of mistakes in this Wiki entry. For example, Oceania is not a continent, but a region, mostly in Asia, some in Australia (the continent, not the country). Second, Indonesia actually fits the "contiguous transcontinental" category category of this entry because some of it's islands are actually part of the Australian continent. For example, the island of New Guinea (of which approximately the eastern half -- Papua -- is part of Indonesia) is considered part of the Australian continent. Some other, smaller islands are also geologically considered part of the Australian continent (e.g., the Aru Islands in the Malukus). greggiebaba Source: Any damn atlas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greggiebaba (talk • contribs) 22:52, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Iran cannot possibly be considered to be in Europe, it's not even bordering Europe. There are not creible sources for this, it should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 00:36, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
indeed. I really don't understand why people are allowed to introduce all sorts of obscure nonsense without citing any sources. WP:RS applies. If you have a good source making some obscure claim, by all means include it, Wikipedia is a good place for obscure information (but respect WP:REDFLAG, exceptional claims need especially solid references). If you have no source, don't bother even clicking the edit button, you aren't helping, you are actually damaging the project.
If you have a dodgy source, at least include it and let others decide whether it qualifies for inclusion. But no source at all isn't even a "contribution", it's just noise deteriorating article quality, putting a burden on editors to remove it on sight. --dab (𒁳) 12:47, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
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In the "Non-contiguous" section ("Europe, North America, South America & Africa"):
Following Mayotte becoming a departement of France, please change :
France: Metropolitan France is in Europe, while the four Overseas Departments are in other continents. Guadeloupe & Martinique are in North America, French Guiana is in South America, and Réunion is in Africa. These four French Overseas Departments are legally and administratively an integral part of France. France will gain a second African region when Mayotte becomes an overseas department in 2011. There are other island possessions associated with North America, Africa, Oceania, and Antarctica that are French overseas collectives or part of the French Southern and Antarctic Lands, but these are not integral parts of France.
France: Metropolitan France is in Europe, while the five Overseas Departments are in other continents. Guadeloupe & Martinique are in North America, French Guiana is in South America, while Mayotte and Réunion are in Africa. These five French Overseas Departments are legally and administratively an integral part of France. There are other island possessions associated with North America, Africa, Oceania, and Antarctica that are French overseas collectives or part of the French Southern and Antarctic Lands, but these are not integral parts of France.
- Done Chipmunkdavis (talk) 07:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- Collectives are integral parts of France - most are administered by the French Governments, and even when they have their autonomy, they are still French, with inhabitants being French citizens when born on the territory. French Antarctica islands are completely French and administered from La Reunion by the prefet Pascal Boulot, nominated by the French president (see http://www.taaf.fr/). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adrien16 (talk • contribs) 14:32, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Ceuta and Melilla are not part of the 17 Autonomous Communities of Spain, they are 2 Autonomous cities (Spain has 17 Autonomous Communities plus 2 Autonomous Cities). Could some correct this? Maybe someone could mention, Spain is the only country that holds territories on mainland Africa (North Africa). Also France is the only country that holds a territory on mainland South America (French Guiana). 22.214.171.124 (talk) 14:03, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
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Since this page seems un-editable, can someone please make a change to the "Other Examples" section. The original line is: "The Netherlands has the Caribbean island possessions of Curaçao, Sint Maarten and Aruba."
It should be changed to "Constituent countries of the Kingdom of the Netherlands include the Caribbean island possessions of Curaçao, Sint Maarten and Aruba." They aren't considered "possessions".
I have removed Panama from this page. While multiple references were listed supporting the belief of "most geographers" that Panama is a one-continent country, none were given supporting the "alternate theory" that it is transcontinental. This appears to be original research, based on one editor's personal speculation. Please forgive me if I'm missing something. Joefromrandb (talk) 06:21, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
I figured Panama was likely incorrectly highlighted on the map and was not surprised to see that the article made no mention of it -- however, it remains highlighted on the map. If anyone can create a new map on which Panama is not highlighted (or explain to me how to do so) it would reduce confusion as to why Panama is highlighted on the map yet never mentioned on the page. I am the radiohead (talk) 18:13, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
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North and South America
- Aruba, Bonaire, Curaçao and Trinidad and Tobago: The sea islands division of South America and North America is complicated. All Caribbean islands are often labeled as North American, but the Dutch dependencies of Aruba and Curaçao, the Dutch special municipality of Bonaire lie on the continental shelf of South America, and can be considered South American as well. What complicats it even further is that The Republic of Trinidad and Tobago lie on two Continental shelves. The south half of Trinidad lies in South America and the north half of Trindad, and Tobago, lie on the Caribbean plate. Note that all these islands have closer cultural ties with North America.
- Colombia: Mainland Colombia is in northwestern South America and Malpelo Island in the Pacific Ocean is also associated with South America, but the nation also controls the San Andrés and Providencia archipelago, 640 kilometres (400 mi) WNW of Colombia's Caribbean coast, near the Caribbean coast of Nicaragua. This archipelago is coterminous with the department of the same name.
- Venezuela: Mainland Venezuela is on South America, but Isla Aves are geographically North American. Isla Aves is one of the Federal dependencies of Venezuela under the administration of the transcontinental city of Caracas.
The prefix "trans-" means "spanning" or "crossing". Wiktionary defines "transcontinental" as "Crossing, spanning a continent". But this article (and also the first sentence of List of cities spanning more than one continent) uses the term to mean "intercontinental". The latter would be more appropriate. Duoduoduo (talk) 05:15, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
- Quite so. It's also more than a WP:LIST, so should probably be re-titled. And it seems to be almost all original research. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:47, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
Whilst "transcontinental" might mean "across a whole continent", I can also see its use in the sense of "spanning but not necessarily from one edge to another". "Intercontinental", however, surely means "between continents" rather than "spanning" (or "across") continents...? Maybe something using a word/concept such as "straddle" instead? Sardanaphalus (talk) 23:11, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
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A Continent is more than nothing a geological concept, other considerations like political or cultural are certainly relevant, but not determinant to classify a mass of land as a continent. From the point of view of Geology, strictly talking, a Continent is a mass of land that belongs to at least one independent tectonic plate.
- Mexico, is a country mainly located in the extreme southwest part of the North America continent, however, about 13% of its territory is located to the east of the Tehuantepec isthmus, region that is shared by Oaxaca and Veracruz States. This isthmus is the actual geologic limit in between North America plate and the Central America and Caribbean ones. The geological evolution of Central America clearly shows that Yucatan peninsula with Chiapas, tabasco, Guatemala and Belize belong to a separate plate than the rest of Mexico, and a different one corresponds to all the rest of Central America. So Mexico has 5 entire of its states ( Tabasco, Chiapas, Yucatan, Quintana Roo and Campeche)in the Central America region, that geologically with the Caribbean basin might be a continent by itself, since it would include three tectonic plates completely independent of the North or South American ones. These southeastern Mexican states are the so called Maya region, that is clearly not only geographically but even culturally very distinct of the rest of the country. Besides that, Mexico has also sovereignty to islands or cays in the Caribbean that belong to the North part of the Maya reef barrier that extends in front of Central America coast ( Lobos, blackford, Centro, cabeza de coral, holbox, contoy, Cozumel, Isla mujeres)
- Colombia: this country, named after Christopher Columbus, has its mainland in northwestern South America. The oceanic islands of Malpelo Archipelago, as well as Gorgona in the Pacific, are also associated with South America. However, to the north west of the Corrientes cape in the Pacific ocean and to the south west of the Uraba Gulf, in the Caribbean, there is the Choco-Darien isthmic region (4% of Colombia territory) that geologically belongs to the Central America tectonic plate, as continuation of the Panama isthmus. Also the nation controls the San Andrés and Providencia, Serrana, Serranilla, Quitasueno, Alice, Albuquerque, East south west keys, Roncador and Bajo Nuevo archipelagos. These islands and cays are spread along 45000 square kilometers of the central American oceanic platform. This is, also, the only part of Colombia that was actually visited by Christopher Columbus in his fourth trip. These islands 640 kilometres (400 mi) WNW of Colombia's Caribbean coast, near the Atlantic coasts of Honduras, Costa Rica and Nicaragua. The archipelagos are coterminous with the department of San Andres and Providence, and conform part of the geographic region of Moskitia, shared with the three Central American neighbor countries, and are the remains of the Colombian sovereignty over the Isthmus of Panama, that in the continent ceased in 1903.
Etrofimoff (talk) 01:52, 4 July 2013 (UTC) references: http://geology.fullerton.edu/whenderson/F2007201/tectoniccocos/index.htm http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/CostaRica2008/CR-PT.HTM http://www.searchanddiscovery.com/documents/abstracts/2004intl_cancun/extended/A89404.pdf http://www.tectonicanalysis.com/site/downloads/Pindell_Kennan_2009_Caribbean_GoM_update_PREPRINT.pdf http://www.ask.com/question/what-continent-is-central-america-on http://victoriastaffordapsychicinvestigation.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/tectonic-plates-cocos-south-american-caribbean-oceanic-plateau-north-american-plate-great-arc-of-the-caribbean-cyman-trough-gulf-of-mexico-atlantic-pacific-oceans.jpg http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/585650/Isthmus-of-Tehuantepec http://hbhcr.com/blog/?p=2117 http://www.beachcomberpete.com/central_america/ Etrofimoff (talk) 01:52, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
- Not done: This article uses the Continental_boundary definition for its list, not the geological definition. RudolfRed (talk) 02:11, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
Russia is Non-contiguous
In the image, Russia is listed as contiguous, but it's not. I think the image should either be changed or there should be a clarification to the description to make it clear that it's only talking about whether or not the borders of the country itself crosses continental boundaries. Morganfshirley (talk) 20:58, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
- Done, The map was indeed terribly outdated and has since been replaced. Jurryaany (talk) 07:13, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
- Done, The map was indeed terribly outdated and has since been replaced. Jurryaany (talk) 07:14, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
And why is Armenia, not included in this list? Is this propaganda from EuroNews or something like this? Because edits from 2008 contain "Armenia" and maps that define the region as such. Look at the history and the article's long history:
- As the very map you link to shows, the modern border between Europe and Asia is drawn roughly, but not exactly, along the borders of Georgia and Azerbaijan with Russia. This puts some tiny parts of Azerbaijan and Georgia in Europe, while Armenia is completely in Asia by that definition. SiBr4 (talk) 10:34, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
Define your terms!
People can't pick up definitions by telepathy. It must be acknowledged that the term 'continent' is not clearly defined in practice. If this is an article that defines a continent by political convention and not geologically then this needs to be clearly stated in the opening paragraph. Mdw0 (talk) 03:02, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Moved to category
I've moved Category:List of transcontinental countries back to List of transcontinental countries since I don't see why the article was moved to the category namespace in the first place. Dexterous B, did you mean to create a new category for transcontinental countries or is there a reason for the entire article to be changed to a category? SiBr4 (talk) 11:05, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello SiBr4, i meant to create a category for those Transcontinental Countries, but after your note i put a redirect link in the Category:List of transcontinental countries. Dexterous B (talk) 23:41, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
As is often the case, some interpret "neutrality" to mean "what I think is correct". It is self-evidently true that SOME people, it doesn't matter how many or who, believe that Europe and Asia are one continent and that it is merely a culture/race/etc construct rather than a geophysical one, that dictates we label them as two. All the sentence did was point out that this article would treat Europe and Asia as two. Simple. In NO WAY does that mention (which was not even mine, but another user's fight I came across with an irrational editor) give ANY HINT that Europe is not a continent or weigh in on that debate at all. It's merely saying for the purpose of this article they are treated as two. How someone who believes they are two could take umbrage to this is beyond me. This is what NPOV means, it means writing in a way inclusive of all commonly held viewpoints. JesseRafe (talk) 14:44, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
I'm no expert on the United States or what constitutes a 'territory', so can someone clarify if the Hawaiian Islands are 'enough' a part of the United States? If that's the case, then isn't(aren't?) the U.S.A. transcontinental? Seeing how (at least) the Hawaiian Islands are in Oceania. The wikipage for Oceania lists Honolulu as one of its principal cities. OmikronWeapon (talk) 19:32, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Many of the examples are POV beyond belief. The political possession of islands in another territory does not make a country intercontinental, else the whole concept becomes jejune. Macdonald-ross (talk) 14:22, 11 January 2015 (UTC)