Talk:List of universities in Canada

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University Canada West[edit]

University Canada West may not meet the inclusion criteria for this list, as it is not a member of AUCC. --Ronz (talk) 18:23, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that is a tough one. I reverted the change, as the IP seems to have an agenda. I am quite familiar with the system in Ontario, but not as much with BC. University colleges (which say, Algoma was before 2008) can be members of AUCC. When Algoma joined AUCC it was granting Laurentian degrees not Algoma ones. It can all get quite confusing.... Dbrodbeck (talk) 18:49, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure that I agree. It is a Canadian university, and authorize to operate. AUCC != accreditation. --Me-123567-Me (talk) 23:20, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm just pointing out that the inclusion criteria for this list is not clear. I'd add that UCW is not a research university either. --Ronz (talk) 23:49, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Neither are many of the former "University College"'s that were converted in BC to full Universities. Instead their teaching-intensive. --Me-123567-Me (talk) 02:12, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Again, the inclusion criteria could be clearer. --Ronz (talk) 15:45, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps we should ask at the universities wikiproject? Dbrodbeck (talk) 17:48, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Good idea but I'm not sure how much Canadian expertise you'll find there. I'm definitely out of my element!
It might be helpful to have a concrete proposal or two for others to evaluate. Further, it would be very, very helpful if someone could clarify how universities are regulated in Canada e.g. does anyone control who can call themselves a "university" and award degrees? ElKevbo (talk) 18:00, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
The right to grant degrees is governed by the various provinces. In Ontario, for example, a university needs a charter which is a piece of legislation establishing the school. This is either an order in council, or a full blown act of the provincial legislature. Dbrodbeck (talk) 18:45, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
(edit conflict) We've tried to figure out the details as far as UCW is concerned on it's talk page. It appears to be regulated by the provincial governments. The private universities seem to be poorly regulated and open to criticism like --Ronz (talk) 18:55, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

(unindent) Now can someone please clarify if the term "university" is protected or regulated in Canada?

It's starting to sound like this may be very similar to how we run things in the States with most of this left up to the states to regulate and there is a general lack of clarity and bright lines. In the U.S. we often turn to accreditation or Title IV (federal financial aid) eligibility to provide a bright line. Would that be a useful approach here? ElKevbo (talk) 19:03, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

You can get financial aid to go to pretty much any sort of post secondary education through both provincial and federal money. Another thought, maybe eligibility for research grants for faculty? Community college teachers cannot get those, so there might be something there, as the funding councils have made a distinction. Dbrodbeck (talk) 19:07, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Not a bad idea!
Does anyone know how higher education scholars in Canada approach this issue? Is there anything helpful in PSIS or is there another body that classifies or categorizes Canadian institutions? ElKevbo (talk) 19:13, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, I cross posted to the University and Canada wikiprojects, let's see what we get. And yeah, it is a bit of a puzzler. Dbrodbeck (talk) 18:57, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

I think University Canada West should not be included, but only if the inclusion criteria are clarified to restrict the list to AUCC members. PKT(alk) 19:52, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

I can't speak to the BC situation specifically, but in Alberta, a post-secondary institution only becomes a true university by provincial decree. A school can put "University" in its name, but that doesn't change the reality that it is usually a private or community college. If BC treats this in a similar fashion, it should be possible to find on the government website which schools are accredited as universities. Resolute 20:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

This makes me think we should go with AUCC membership. That said, some university colleges (Algoma, when it was a university college for example) which makes it a bit of a problem. I think AUCC and Tri Council funding eligibility might be the way. Dbrodbeck (talk) 22:18, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Restricting the Wikipedia list to match the AUCC list provides us with (1) a source upon which Wikipedia can rely, and (2) an organization that makes a determination of what is and what isn't a university in Canada. PKT(alk) 16:59, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't agree. It's a University, because the BC government says it is. Education is a provincial responsibility under the Constitution. It should remain on the list. --Me-123567-Me (talk) 03:17, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

To answer the question: In Canada, a University must apply to the Minister to use both the word "University" and to offer a degree, unless that University is a public university. Even then, if they operate or advertise outside of their province (since it is provincial juristiciton) then they sometimes have to get permission from the province they wish to operate in. A board (much like the Degree Quality Assessment Board in BC) evaluates the application, and makes a recommendation to the Minister in the province of that board. Me-123567-Me (talk) 03:20, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

I think it should be included as it is a provincially accredited University, the issue seems cut and dry to me... -- RP459 Talk/Contributions 23:56, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

I think it may be important to make a public/private distinction. The public institutions are more consistently regulated and, with some exceptions, usually the higher ranked institutions. Private is a much more amorphous category. In BC, accreditation by PCTIA is important, but it goes way beyond universities to even include some yoga teacher training programs. I'm in BC, in a university, my take is of the private universities: TWU is a well established mostly undergrad religious university, their degrees are recognized by UBC, SFU, UVic and I've known several people who go onto graduate study at these institutions from TWU. Royal Roads is almost entirely graduate degrees, specific areas, targeting mid career professionals. Quest U is very new, a bit of an unknown quantity, targeting undergrads, teaching oriented, largely international. All three so far, have 'campuses' in the traditional sense. Canada West - seen the adds and looked at their website, not that clear. Apparently it's downtown, but I've never noticed it. Fairleigh Dickinson - news to me that they are here. I'm guessing it's a pretty small program - and basically a small branch plant of their main university in the US. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:32, 5 April 2012 (UTC)