Talk:List of municipalities in New York

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What about Arkport, NY? Steuben County? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.69.189.75 (talk) 20:26, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Along these lines, I'm scratching my head over the Town of Islip being missed, with a population of over 300,000? I understand the villages therein and NY's traditional practice of including village populations within town populations (even when villages have their own governments and jurisdictions), but this list just seems weird. The total number of municipalities in NY is more like 995.Dnrothx (talk) 14:14, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is a list of "municipalities", meaning cities and villages. In contrast, "towns" in New York are "minor civil divisions". Counties are subdivided into towns, and villages have their territory within towns. So towns are listed separately.Inkan1969 (talk) 17:29, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Updated page[edit]

I have just finished checking the template page for every single county, and all of the villages linked from there. I updated the template page for Suffolk County to show all villages (four from the Town of Islip were missing). Then, I compared the list in this article to the template pages and found I needed to add one village and remove one non-village. I also verified the village links in this article. Everything is now up to date, with exactly 555 villages in New York state. NewYorkeruser (talk) 17:39, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

table[edit]

Your table doesn't have a "type" column to indicate which is a villaga and which is a city. Also do we really need the columns for Coordinates, ANSI code, GEO ID and Notes. No other wiki page uses those columns. Notes is even blank.Inkan1969 (talk) 23:52, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge of List of the largest municipalities in New York into List of municipalities in New York[edit]

I see no reason to have a list of largest municipalities in addition to a list of municipalities, especially when the tables here can be sorted by population. Apocheir (talk) 19:30, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is no proposal in the talk page of the other article. Someone should put one there.

I vote yes on the merge. Though to tell the truth it will be more like a deletion of the other page, since all the information on that page is either here or in List of towns in New York.Inkan1969 (talk) 20:11, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't mind them being merged, as long as TOWNS are included, These are also municipalities. This does make be feel bad as I did put time and dedication to this article, but I have no power in stopping this deletion, I am completely fine with it being deleted. AndrewSan12 (talk) 19:19, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As User:Inkan1969 mentioned earlier on this page, towns are minor civil divisions or civil townships, not municipalities. New York has some pretty huge towns in terms of area: Webb, New York and Long Lake, New York in the Adirondacks, and Brookhaven, New York on Long Island. They're different kinds of entities and I don't think it's appropriate to combine them. Apocheir (talk) 00:37, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the United States Census Bureau keeps minor civil divisions separate from municipalities. Inkan1969 (talk) 00:45, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Then may I make a different Section for these "MCDS" in List of municipalities in New York? AndrewSan12 (talk) 22:16, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are 933 Towns. Would including everything make the article too long? Inkan1969 (talk) 22:54, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Most Populated? AndrewSan12 (talk) 16:20, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Minor civil divisions are legally incorporated MUNICIPAL corporations within the state. AndrewSan12 (talk) 22:24, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Towns[edit]

Someone keeps adding towns into the list. Shouldn't there be a consensus before this happens, as this would amount to a merge with List of towns in New York?Inkan1969 (talk) 22:19, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Civil township says that only two states have this town-village structure where villages are part of a town: New York State, and Vermont. List of municipalities in Vermont includes towns. It has cities, towns, and villages in separate lists. There is a cleanup note to merge the lists, but that note asks to merge the list of cities with the list of towns, and says nothing about the villages. Here we've merged the cities with the villages.

My opinion remains that cities and villages are a comparable level of government, and that towns are something else. The US Census agrees with me: towns in NY are minor civil divisions, cities and villages in NY are incorporated places as described on Place (United States Census Bureau). (And I was incorrect before, both these are "municipalities".) This also matches, from having lived in NY State for most of my life and owning property in a village, my personal perspective about what a town is versus what a village is.

For what it's worth, the discussion on Talk:List of municipalities in Vermont § Merger proposal confirms that this is no less confusing in Vermont. Apocheir (talk) 01:43, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Towns should be in its own "List of" page, or kept in a separate table on this page.Inkan1969 (talk) 21:44, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be fine with a separate table on this page. Apocheir (talk) 01:58, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Someone recently edited List of towns in New York to add lists of coterminous town-villages and towns and cities with the same name. That content would make sense here too in some form. I think I am going to merge (the cited part of) List of towns in New York here, keeping towns in a separate list, unless someone objects or does it before me. I want to ask first because this keeps being unnecessarily contentious. Apocheir (talk) 22:22, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, they both use Template:Compact TOC, so if you put them on the same page, only the first table of contents works. I don't think it's worth breaking that to have them on the same page. It was also making my browser grind a bit to have them together. Apocheir (talk) 21:31, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, List of places in New York (state) already exists. Apocheir (talk) 00:21, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

595 municipalities, not 596[edit]

I counted. There are only 595 municipalities in this list, not 596. I went to the Census Bureau's 2022 Population Estimates of Municipalities of New York. They have 14 municipalities starting with "T" while this list has only 13. The extra entry at the Census website is a "Tuxedo village" with a 2022 population of 3128. But I searched and found no evidence that the "Village of Tuxedo" exists. There is a Town of Tuxedo in Orange County, NY, that has a Village of Tuxedo Park, but that is a different village from "Tuxedo". In fact, the 3128 population the Census lists is the balance if you subtract the 2022 population estimate of the Village of Tuxedo Park from the 2022 population estimate of the Town of Tuxedo. I searched again: there is no evidence that the rest of the Town of Tuxedo ever incorporated to form this "Village of Tuxedo" separate from the Village of Tuxedo Park. So I think the Census Bureau made a mistake; I wrote to them about it already.Inkan1969 (talk) 20:21, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]