Talk:List of wars and anthropogenic disasters by death toll
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- 1 North American Native Population Estimation Seems Way Too High
- 2 adding an additional sorting Parameter?
- 3 Adding Data to Demonstrate the Death Toll as a Percentage of the World's Human Population
- 4 Average Deaths Per Year
- 5 Orphaned references in List of wars and anthropogenic disasters by death toll
North American Native Population Estimation Seems Way Too High
adding an additional sorting Parameter?
I am no professional, it is just something that came up when reading the article:
Atrocities from different times with different population counts are compared.
This leads basically to the following question: what is deadlier: a conflict that kills 50 out of 100 people or a conflict that kills 100 of 1000 people.
How much sense would a sorting option that sorts the "deaths relative to (world)population given at that time" make? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 20:21, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
I second this desire to weigh these numbers by a population estimate. Of course the entire article is so rich in amalgamated information already which makes it by itself into a piece of original research. But that should be just fine. With that, one might add a world population estimate (or export to a spreadsheet and join the data with a population estimate table.) But that would not consider population density differences in the regions of the world. So, one would need a more specific population estimate of the population that is involved in the area of the disaster or the target group if it is a genocide or a geographically distributed event such as the transatlantic slave trade. Gschadow (talk) 16:56, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Adding Data to Demonstrate the Death Toll as a Percentage of the World's Human Population
I think that it might be helpful to include data for each death toll entry that would list the death toll as a percentage of the world's population at that time in history, based on the best estimates available. I admit that I do not know the best source for estimating world populations, but we should pick a method (whether it be picking one single source that is felt to be most reliable, or taking an average of the top reliable sources) and use it consistently across all entries. This would help tremendously with giving context for comparing destructive events that happen in modern times with destructive events that occurred in different eras when there were fewer people participating and thus fewer people to kill.
Alternatively, (or additionally) a very helpful statistic would be listing the death toll as a percentage of the population density in the area where the disaster occurred, though I admit this would be a much more difficult undertaking. Where it can be done, however, it would be incredibly revealing. DRJDCooper (talk) 15:41, 16 June 2016 (UTC) DRJDCooper
- I have noticed that another user already commented above regarding a similar but less-detailed proposal. My apologies for not noticing initially.
- I have a second proposal here regarding the possibility of adding another interesting statistic - Deaths per Day. I have seen this statistic used in other writings, and it helps convey the acuity and deadliness of a particular event. (i.e. a one-day event that kills thousands might be considered more deadly than an "event" spanning hundreds of years such as the European conquest of the Americas)— Preceding unsigned comment added by DRJDCooper (talk • contribs) 16:52, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
Yes, many people here expressed similar desires. The question is, is there any literature out there that has attempted to add population counts into the statistics? Perhaps we should begin by adding a section into the main article where this angle could be placed, initially only as a stub but then worked out as more sources are located by the community. Gschadow (talk) 16:59, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Average Deaths Per Year
Would it be a good idea to include an approximate average deaths per year? It would put into context that the 18 million dead over 4 years of WWI is actually significant compared to the 33 million dead in the African Slave Trade, because WWI saw approx. 4,500,000 dead per year whereas the African Slave Trade saw under 27,000 dead per year, less than the population of the British Virgin Islands. Chris Martin (talk) 23:12, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
Yes indeed this is the third quantity that needs to be added into the equation in order to do some comparison. Ultimately one needs to create a compound measure of relative mortality rate R based on absolute mortality N, target population P, and time duration T: R = N / P / T. Gschadow (talk) 17:01, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Orphaned references in List of wars and anthropogenic disasters by death toll
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of wars and anthropogenic disasters by death toll's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "BBC":
- From Hillsborough disaster: "Hillsborough inquiry by Blair government criticised". BBC News. 25 October 2011.
- From 1929 Hebron massacre: "Arab discontent". BBC. Retrieved 17 April 2012.
- From Famine: "BBC NEWS - Business - Firms target nutrition for the poor". News.bbc.co.uk. Retrieved 2016-02-01.
- From United Kingdom: "Scotland to hold independence poll in 2014 – Salmond". BBC News. 10 January 2012. Retrieved 10 January 2012.
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 04:04, 28 August 2016 (UTC)