Talk:Little Falls, New Jersey

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Requested move (November 2005; please see the more current February 2006 move request below)[edit]

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The result of the debate was not to move this page (from Little Falls Township, New Jersey to Little Falls, New Jersey)--Lox (t,c)

This town is rarely referred to with its form of government in the name.

I've removed the move tag for now, since there appears to be no consensus on moving this article. Should this change, feel free to add a new request to Wikipedia:Requested moves. —Cleared as filed. 23:04, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move (February 2006)[edit]

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The result of the debate was move all three. —Nightstallion (?) 21:57, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Summarized reason for move West Milford, Little Falls, and Wayne are very rarely if ever referred to with "Township" in their names; Wikipedia (and existing NJ articles) prefers usage of common names, which is the logical choice for these pages (which would also allow them to be named consistantly with other NJ pages under the usage of common/local name rather than official/legal name).

Detailed reasons for move

  • City name naming conventions suggests "[[City, State]]" for naming United States cities. Referring to multiple cities with the same name in the same state, it provides the example "Elgin, Kershaw County, South Carolina," which is referred to as "Elgin" (common name) both in the WP article and on the county's website.
  • Wikipedia suggests using common names rather than formal names (those the "average user" would use) for the purpose of for the following rationale (from Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names)), which apply here:
    • We want to maximize the likelihood of being listed in external search engines, thereby attracting more people to Wikipedia.
    • We want to maximize the incidence that people who make a link guessing the article name, guess correctly; people guessing a different name may think there is no article yet, which may cause duplication.
    • Using a full formal name requires people to know that name, and to type more.
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject New Jersey has been attempting to standardize names based on the common name (usually, the name used by locals), and none of these three municipalities are referred to with "Township" in their names in everday life.
  • The Passaic County, New Jersey, page (parent county of all three municipalities) refers to them by their common names (without "Township"), and so does the accompanying map.
  • Passaic county's official website uses "West Milford" and so on in its writing; so does West Milford's website (other than the official title at the page's top). This demonstrates common usage. (I did not waste the time to prove redundantly the same point on the other two municipalities' websites.)
  • Reasons mentioned on previous move attempt from November 2005 (with the "Oppose" reasons being refuted by the abovementioned reasons and the irrelavence of the school district's formal name).

Voting[edit]

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  • Support (for all of the abovementioned reasons) //MrD9 00:58, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I've been in all three townships and never heard the word "township" used to refer to the municipality. I reside in Teaneck Township, which exists as Teaneck, New Jersey and the page Teaneck Township, New Jersey is a redirect. Use of "Township" when referring to a municipality is most common in Southern New Jersey, where there are many Township / Borough pairs with the same name, and "Township" is needed to uniquely identify XXX Township from XXX Borough. All three of the townships listed in this move request are in Northern New Jersey, where it is uncommon to refer to a "Township" as part of the name and where there are no Township / Borough pairs that might cause confusion. All three of the Google pairs show overwhleming ratios without "Township" in the name. Alansohn 03:34, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support These articles named as such by Rambot, with duplicate CDPs without the "Township" in the name. The wrong one was chosen to be the redirect. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 13:22, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as above. North Bergen Township, New Jersey should also be added to list (among many others)... Darkcore 20:06, 11 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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