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Population numbers[edit]

Using the most recent numbers in the Wikipedia articles on each country, I've compiled the following. Of course, most totals are at best correct to nearest million only.

Australia....      21 855 016
Hong Kong           7 008 900
Ireland Rep         4 422 100
New Zealand         4 315 800
Phillipines..      91 983 000
Singapore..         4 737 000
UK............     61 113 205
USA..........     307 293 000
English language-speaking countries and regions, total
                  502 728 021

Brazil........    191 241 714
Bulgaria.....       7 605 551
Estonia.....        1 340 415
Indonesia...      229 965 000
Iran...........    74 196 000
Israel.........     7 411 000
Latvia........      2 231 503
Lithuania...        3 555 179
Romania....        21 498 616
Russia......      142 008 838
Turkey.......      74 816 000
Wales.......        3 004 600   (counted in UK too)
Other short scale languages and countries, total
                  758 874 416

Grece........      11 257 285
Short scale use but with other terminology, total
                   11 257 285

Short scale countries, total
                1 269 855 122   (counting Wales only once)

Andorra.....           84 484
Argentina...       40 482 000
Austria......       8 356 707
Belgium.....       10 665 867
Bosnia+Herz         4 613 414
Chile.........     16 928 873
Colombia...        44 982 970
Costa Rica          4 509 290
Croatia......       4 489 409
Czech Rep          10 476 543
Denmark...          5 519 441
Dominican Rep      10 090 000
Ecuador....        13 625 000
El Salvador         5 744 113
Finland......       5 342 344
France......       64 303 482
Germany...         82 060 000
Guatemala.         14 000 000
Hungary....        10 020 000
Iceland......         319 756
Italy..........    60 088 880
Liechtenstein          35 446
Luxembourg            493 500
Mexico......      111 211 789
Monaco.....            32 965
Netherlands        16 500 156
Norway......        4 833 665
Paraguay...         6 349 000
Peru..........     29 132 013
Poland......       38 130 302
Portugal....       10 707 924
Serbia.......       7 365 507
Slovakia....        5 379 455
Slovenia....        2 053 355
Spain........      46 661 950
Sweden.....         9 236 872
Switzerland         7 739 100
Uruguay....         3 361 000
Venezuela.         26 814 843
Long scale countries, total
                  742 741 415   

Canada.....        33 766 000
Puerto Rico         3 994 259   (counted in USA too)
South Africa       49 320 000
Both long and short scales countries, total
                   87 080 259

Long or short scales countries, total
                2 098 687 137   (counting Puerto Rico only once)

People's China  1 345 751 000
India.......... 1 198 003 000
Pakistan....      180 808 000
Bangladesh        162 221 000
Nepal........      29 331 000
Burma.......       50 020 000
Japan........     127 590 000
South Korea        48 379 392
North Korea        23 906 000
Neither short nor long scale countries, total
                3 166 009 392

Total population accounted for
                5 261 691 929

Total world population
                6 781 000 000

Population unaccounted for
                1 519 308 071

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Noe (talkcontribs) 2 September 2009‎

References[edit]

The last remaining peer review comment is that there are too few references for an article of this length. Can any followers of this article, particularly with foreign languages, add further references from reliable sources, please? - Ian — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.123.238 (talk) 7 June 2012

Antarctica, really?[edit]

There is no native population as far as humans are concerned and the penguins do not care about scales at all (well, maybe the ones on the fish they eat). The only users of scales are the visitors aka scientists, who presumably stick to the system of their home country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.114.17.5 (talk) 05:36, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

There are kind of two mentions of antarctica: "French Southern and Antarctic Lands" in one of the country/region lists (probably OK), and Antarctica in the table of continents. I suppose you think that the second should go, i.e., the table shouldn't have a line on Antarctica at all - and I agree! Tourists speaking English in France do not mean we should list short scale use in France either.-- (talk) 11:06, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Greenland[edit]

In the section "Using neither" we have Greenland in the table, with a link to Inuit numerals, with the note "Traditional system". The linked article gives no indication how one would say a very large number in Inuit language; I doubt there ever was a system for numbers as large as 1000000000. Today I guess one would use either Danish long scale or English short scale for such numbers in Greenland. How is this situation best represented in the aritcle (and can anyone locate a source)?-- (talk) 15:52, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

History of "milliard"[edit]

The History sections seems to falsely claim that milliard

  1. was introduced first as meaning 1012
  2. was later redefined

The cited source does not say either of these two, it just says that at some point it was used as meaning either 109 or 1012.

Likewise the timeline item of Budaeus that on first sight seems to support the "redefinition" idea (because it is cited as the first mention of the word and uses the phrase "as if a million millions"), if anything seems to be an error of the cited author, because the definition he uses is "this is ten myriad myriads", which is 101+4+4=109, and then compares it — apparently in error — with a million millions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.199.242.33 (talk) 14:47, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

More Large Numbers[edit]

I found this list on a website. Any thoughts about its accuracy? Should it be added to the main article?

Legend of Large Numbers

1K      =       1,000   =       One Thousand
1M      =       1,000K  =       One Million
1B      =       1,000M  =       One Billion
1T      =       1,000B  =       One Trillion
1q      =       1,000T  =       One Quadrillion
1Q      =       1,000q  =       One Quintillion
1s      =       1,000Q  =       One Sextillion
1S      =       1,000s  =       One Septillion
1O      =       1,000S  =       One Octillion
1N      =       1,000O  =       One Nonillion
1d      =       1,000N  =       One Decillion
1U      =       1,000d  =       One Undecillion
1D      =       1,000U  =       One Duodecillion
1!      =       1,000D  =       One Tredecillion
1@      =       1,000!  =       One Quattuordecillion
1#      =       1,000@  =       One Quindecillion
1$      =       1,000#  =       One Sexdecillion
1%      =       1,000$  =       One Septendecillion
1^      =       1,000%  =       One Octodecillion
1&  =       1,000^  =       One Novemdecillion
1*      =       1,000&      =       One Vigintillion